urgent question - problem with w211 wheel on w210
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urgent question - problem with w211 wheel on w210
Please offer help if you can...
I read the many posts about wheel upgrades and then purchased some w211 wheels for my w210 (wheels from an 03 e500 for my 98 e320). I bought the lugs from OtisIncLA.com and went to my shop to have them mounted yesterday. The front tires rub on the inside - on the vertical 'bar' that connects to the top swing arm.
I am considering getting 10mm spacers - they wheels turn, but the tires rub. Would this be OK? (I actually screwed up and bought the 35mm Otisincla bolts in addition to the 26mm that I needed/used. If I get 10mm spacers, the longer bolts will be perfect, right?)
The wheels I bought are stamped with 8.5Jx17H2ET38, part #A2114011502 (might be 602 at the end of the part number). Also in the wheel is says B6 647 2157.
The tires on these wheels are Continental ContiTouringContact 245/45/R17.
Please let me know if you have any comments/suggestions. I saw the post that said the wrong offset could cause damage...don't want that!
If I can get the tires/wheels working OK, I have H&R springs to install Friday. Pictures coming of before, during and after!
Thanks!
I read the many posts about wheel upgrades and then purchased some w211 wheels for my w210 (wheels from an 03 e500 for my 98 e320). I bought the lugs from OtisIncLA.com and went to my shop to have them mounted yesterday. The front tires rub on the inside - on the vertical 'bar' that connects to the top swing arm.
I am considering getting 10mm spacers - they wheels turn, but the tires rub. Would this be OK? (I actually screwed up and bought the 35mm Otisincla bolts in addition to the 26mm that I needed/used. If I get 10mm spacers, the longer bolts will be perfect, right?)
The wheels I bought are stamped with 8.5Jx17H2ET38, part #A2114011502 (might be 602 at the end of the part number). Also in the wheel is says B6 647 2157.
The tires on these wheels are Continental ContiTouringContact 245/45/R17.
Please let me know if you have any comments/suggestions. I saw the post that said the wrong offset could cause damage...don't want that!
If I can get the tires/wheels working OK, I have H&R springs to install Friday. Pictures coming of before, during and after!
Thanks!
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It is the width and the offset that are causing rubbing. Sounds like you need to go to a smaller tire on the front like a 225 instead of a 245 in the front. With the information, 8.5 x 17 ET38 it sounds like all 4 wheels are for the back. The front wheels could be closer to 7.5 x 17 ET32 or so.
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your mistake was in purchasing 245s. max would have been 235 or 225 on that
rim and offset. since you're planning to lower it, that upper control arm nut
will be closer again to the tire, so in a sense, you kind of did this backwards.
consider your drop,
consider your shocks (having comfort shocks matter)
then your wheel width, current vs intended
then your stock offset vs intended offset
then your stock tire size vs target tire size
...keeping an eye on that upper control arm nut. this has been documented
pretty well on this forum so you may want to search for it. too late now.
yes, you can consider spacers, but by opting for that, you now start pushing
the tire/wheel outwards....and though you'll be moving away from the control
arm, you'll now start getting closer to the fender and will need to consider
rolling the fender (nuther $1-200) if that's what is needed.
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html
rim and offset. since you're planning to lower it, that upper control arm nut
will be closer again to the tire, so in a sense, you kind of did this backwards.
consider your drop,
consider your shocks (having comfort shocks matter)
then your wheel width, current vs intended
then your stock offset vs intended offset
then your stock tire size vs target tire size
...keeping an eye on that upper control arm nut. this has been documented
pretty well on this forum so you may want to search for it. too late now.
yes, you can consider spacers, but by opting for that, you now start pushing
the tire/wheel outwards....and though you'll be moving away from the control
arm, you'll now start getting closer to the fender and will need to consider
rolling the fender (nuther $1-200) if that's what is needed.
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html
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The problem is caused mostly by your tires and to a lesser degree by your offset. You should have 235/45/17, not 245/45/17. You can get away with 245s sometimes, but not with such high offsets. ET38 might work with 235s, depending on the tire.
If you switch to 235/45/17 and put on a 5mm spacer to get the effective offset to ET33, you'll definitely be okay. A 10mm spacer = ET28 is IMO too low. Your target offset for 8.5" wheels in the front should be ET30 to ET35.
For reference, I have 235/45/17 17"x8.5" ET34 with absolutely no rubbing. Clearance is excellent.
If you switch to 235/45/17 and put on a 5mm spacer to get the effective offset to ET33, you'll definitely be okay. A 10mm spacer = ET28 is IMO too low. Your target offset for 8.5" wheels in the front should be ET30 to ET35.
For reference, I have 235/45/17 17"x8.5" ET34 with absolutely no rubbing. Clearance is excellent.
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Thanks for the input. These are from front and back of the e500 (I was told). The tires came with the rims, I would have purchased a narrower tire.
The upper control arm nut travels with the wheel, so I don't see that being an issue with the lowering springs. The gap to the nut will not change.
If the fender is not an issue, are there any other considerations with spacers? Any experience with them?
Thank again. All input is welcome.
The upper control arm nut travels with the wheel, so I don't see that being an issue with the lowering springs. The gap to the nut will not change.
If the fender is not an issue, are there any other considerations with spacers? Any experience with them?
Thank again. All input is welcome.
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Thanks!
If you switch to 235/45/17 and put on a 5mm spacer to get the effective offset to ET33, you'll definitely be okay. A 10mm spacer = ET28 is IMO too low. Your target offset for 8.5" wheels in the front should be ET30 to ET35.
This is great info. Because I have the special lug bolts (R14 ball seats with 12mm bolts, I don't have many options for bolt length. 26mm or 35mm. I have both. If I go with the 5mm spacers would the 26mm bolt still work or should I try and have the 35mm cut to 31mm?
Thanks!
If you switch to 235/45/17 and put on a 5mm spacer to get the effective offset to ET33, you'll definitely be okay. A 10mm spacer = ET28 is IMO too low. Your target offset for 8.5" wheels in the front should be ET30 to ET35.
This is great info. Because I have the special lug bolts (R14 ball seats with 12mm bolts, I don't have many options for bolt length. 26mm or 35mm. I have both. If I go with the 5mm spacers would the 26mm bolt still work or should I try and have the 35mm cut to 31mm?
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oh, i'm using the wrong term then (control arm nut)....let me look underneath
again. havent had my latte with nutmeg yet......
...just crawled underneath and had another peak. ahh, yes. am using the
correct term but misapplied. it would not cause rubbing only when you turn.
that would (obviously) be continual contact at all speeds, and during straight
and turning.
your situation differs, yet the solution is still the same: get smaller width tires
by another step or two as the other responses suggested. but if you opt for
spacers, now you have to be concerned to fender contact and whether it would
require rolling of the tires. so with wheels pointing straight....as well as full lock,
look at the wheel gap, project 10mm+ out and visualize moderately full
compression.
again. havent had my latte with nutmeg yet......
...just crawled underneath and had another peak. ahh, yes. am using the
correct term but misapplied. it would not cause rubbing only when you turn.
that would (obviously) be continual contact at all speeds, and during straight
and turning.
your situation differs, yet the solution is still the same: get smaller width tires
by another step or two as the other responses suggested. but if you opt for
spacers, now you have to be concerned to fender contact and whether it would
require rolling of the tires. so with wheels pointing straight....as well as full lock,
look at the wheel gap, project 10mm+ out and visualize moderately full
compression.
Last edited by raymond g-; Jul 13, 2006 at 12:07 PM.
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I am not excited about adding spacers and think that all I need is 5mm so I am leaning toward swapping all 4 tires for 235 45 17. 225 is a bit small for the 8.5 inch wheel.
I will search for tire posts here in the forum. My stock tires were H rated and so are these. I think that leaves me a lot of options.
Thanks for the posts!
I will search for tire posts here in the forum. My stock tires were H rated and so are these. I think that leaves me a lot of options.
Thanks for the posts!
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99 E320
i have 245-40-18/8.5" w/30mm offset (2005 E55) up front and 99% of the
time, no rubbing except with nearly full compression encountered, eg strong
dip in road, or high speed. i also have healthy shocks (ie strong compression
damping), and factory springs. so my ability to use 245s up front appears
primarily to be my lower offset
time, no rubbing except with nearly full compression encountered, eg strong
dip in road, or high speed. i also have healthy shocks (ie strong compression
damping), and factory springs. so my ability to use 245s up front appears
primarily to be my lower offset
