So cen some one tell me why not 20'' whiils on my e420 ?????
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So cen some one tell me why not 20'' whiils on my e420 ?????
i did instal 20'' wheels on me E420 and lowered and its look good 
so why not ??????????
any big reason for it ??????????
sory no foto
so why not ??????????
any big reason for it ??????????
sory no foto
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No reason not to at all. To me, it's just a personal aesthetic issue. Some may argue that it will ride bad (which the ride will suffer), you will have to be extra careful with road born items (potholes and debris). I have been running 19's for a while and like them. 20's were a bit too much for me, but that's just me.
Enjoy your ride bud.
Enjoy your ride bud.
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This is why
your alingnment that is why.The car was never engineered for 19's let alone 20's. You guys are messing with the geometry of a finely constructed set of suspension factors.Do either of you have camber bolts installed?Do either of you know what they are?Do either of you have a rear camber kit installed?Do either of you know what camber is?Have either of you spent the money to have the alingnment done?If not I will bet that the front is so far off as to be a danger and the rear at least -3degrees or more negative camber ,when it should be about -.5 .
Tire life of less than 15k miles,Poor to dangerous handling.Forces on suspension items that were never meant to handle it,
Increase in unsprung weight that demand bigger brakes or result in braking distance increases beyond safe limits.
You may think "oh they fit,no problem" Either of you care to come to a track day and really drive the car in an emergency situation and see what happens?
Or are you waiting for it to happen on the hway
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Tire life of less than 15k miles,Poor to dangerous handling.Forces on suspension items that were never meant to handle it,
Increase in unsprung weight that demand bigger brakes or result in braking distance increases beyond safe limits.
You may think "oh they fit,no problem" Either of you care to come to a track day and really drive the car in an emergency situation and see what happens?
Or are you waiting for it to happen on the hway
Good luck
ohlord
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Take it easy ohlord, you'll give yourself a heart attack!
Yes, front camber bolts were installed (who wouldn't know what these are?)along with front and rear alignment. You're talking to someone who is quite capable of wrenching on his own vehicles, have been since I started driving 20 years ago.
Are you telling me that these vehicles that came with 16" tires cannot handle tires of different rim sizes? Being my car came with 215 55 16, and now run a 245 35 19 (difference if approx .25" in height), this small increase will substantially cause severe handling and saftey concerns? Mind you the increase in unsprung wieght has increased, so I can count on a slightly effected acceleration decrease along with decreased (again nothing substantial) braking. I'm sure that there are dozens of vehicles produced that stop and handle worse than my 4000lb creature with 19" rims. Would others be in danger of drving these too?
Care to describe what would happen in an emergency situation as you describe? I would prefer facts not opinions if possible.
I don't mean to sound disrespectful, just want to know the truth if it is as you say.
Regards,
Eric
Yes, front camber bolts were installed (who wouldn't know what these are?)along with front and rear alignment. You're talking to someone who is quite capable of wrenching on his own vehicles, have been since I started driving 20 years ago.
Are you telling me that these vehicles that came with 16" tires cannot handle tires of different rim sizes? Being my car came with 215 55 16, and now run a 245 35 19 (difference if approx .25" in height), this small increase will substantially cause severe handling and saftey concerns? Mind you the increase in unsprung wieght has increased, so I can count on a slightly effected acceleration decrease along with decreased (again nothing substantial) braking. I'm sure that there are dozens of vehicles produced that stop and handle worse than my 4000lb creature with 19" rims. Would others be in danger of drving these too?
Care to describe what would happen in an emergency situation as you describe? I would prefer facts not opinions if possible.
I don't mean to sound disrespectful, just want to know the truth if it is as you say.
Regards,
Eric
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No dis taken
the op asked why.I told
I figure he has to have at least a 2inch drop or it will look even sillier than any 20's and your drop is what with 19's?
shooting for neg.5 on the rear for the best cornering and no rear camber adjustment without going to a camber kit,the alingnment is far from being able to handle properly in an emergency evasive maneuver.
.25 from oem?the rim is 3inches in dia. greater,you add the increase in unsprung weight at the edge of a circle 10inches in circumference greater and compute the force involved at the same rpm.While the tire diameter is not that much different the forces created from the rim are greatly different and those forces act on the suspension.
lowered springs,hd shocks,camber kit,camber bolts,proper alignment,proper brake consideration and have at it
otherwise a bone stock w210 will walk you to the first turn and wave bye as you head off into the rail.
did not even mention the affect 20's have on wheel bearing
I figure he has to have at least a 2inch drop or it will look even sillier than any 20's and your drop is what with 19's?
shooting for neg.5 on the rear for the best cornering and no rear camber adjustment without going to a camber kit,the alingnment is far from being able to handle properly in an emergency evasive maneuver.
.25 from oem?the rim is 3inches in dia. greater,you add the increase in unsprung weight at the edge of a circle 10inches in circumference greater and compute the force involved at the same rpm.While the tire diameter is not that much different the forces created from the rim are greatly different and those forces act on the suspension.
lowered springs,hd shocks,camber kit,camber bolts,proper alignment,proper brake consideration and have at it
otherwise a bone stock w210 will walk you to the first turn and wave bye as you head off into the rail.
did not even mention the affect 20's have on wheel bearing
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ok im a diferent peson if i whont some of the staff on my car i weel meket work
i instal 20'' rims an my E 420 and i did like 3'' drop and i made my own camber bars now i have a perfect alingnment so it all depend how hard you wont to doit
i do know if you can instal a rim and you clear suspantion like uper control arm then you good to gow alingnment it's secondery staff you can play with it
the only one problem i nstall wheels frome my 03 lexus gs300 and my centr an the wheel it self biger then an the car now i need to get studs thats the only problem i got
ok tenkyou all any whay ( play with your cars it's fun ther is match mor you can do with it an meke it look bether)
i do know if you can instal a rim and you clear suspantion like uper control arm then you good to gow alingnment it's secondery staff you can play with it
the only one problem i nstall wheels frome my 03 lexus gs300 and my centr an the wheel it self biger then an the car now i need to get studs thats the only problem i got
ok tenkyou all any whay ( play with your cars it's fun ther is match mor you can do with it an meke it look bether)
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Mercedes wheels
are 5by112 lexus wheels are 5by114.3
you have far bigger problems than stud sizes
You going to get some adapters and mess up the suspension even more
Good luck
and you made rear kit and the alignment is perfect?how did you check it with wheels that dont match the bolt pattern of the factory hub,and have not been mounted yet.
Ca you beat me to it,I gotta see this cobbled up mess before it gets planted into the side of a tree
add the http://www.wheelsdatabase.com/
to your benz site
you have far bigger problems than stud sizes
You going to get some adapters and mess up the suspension even more
Good luck
and you made rear kit and the alignment is perfect?how did you check it with wheels that dont match the bolt pattern of the factory hub,and have not been mounted yet.
Ca you beat me to it,I gotta see this cobbled up mess before it gets planted into the side of a tree
add the http://www.wheelsdatabase.com/
to your benz site
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hmmmm
no the wheels is on the car and drivs good no vibration at all if you know the metrik the diferens is only 2mm is like .32'' ok so the bolt holes are reale close
the only diferens at center holes lexsus have a biger one
the bolt patern is 5x112 on mercedes 5x114 on the lexus so do the colculation your self ......
befor mersedes i have a bmw 96 328 i and i instal 19'' from my acura legend type 2 (2 dr) jast rim the homles fit perfect
and can some one tell me how to insert the fotos? pleas
the only diferens at center holes lexsus have a biger one
the bolt patern is 5x112 on mercedes 5x114 on the lexus so do the colculation your self ......
befor mersedes i have a bmw 96 328 i and i instal 19'' from my acura legend type 2 (2 dr) jast rim the homles fit perfect
and can some one tell me how to insert the fotos? pleas
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Thanks, ohlord -- added that site. It might not come up very much though, unfortunately, as there isn't much text on the pages for a query to hit on.
samvel1981 - you can add photos using "manage attachments" button when you post or reply to a thread.
samvel1981 - you can add photos using "manage attachments" button when you post or reply to a thread.
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I will be sure to tell everyone it is okay to slap 114.3 bolt pattern wheels on their benzit will open up a whole world of other rim options to consider
A little bit?Tell me that(a little) at 1640 rpm that is the tire speed at about 120 mph.Unsafe
I know metric and close is no cigar in any wheel fitment.
it will open up a whole world of other rim options to considerA little bit?Tell me that(a little) at 1640 rpm that is the tire speed at about 120 mph.Unsafe
I know metric and close is no cigar in any wheel fitment.
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ok
whot do you mean by that (Tell me that(a little) at 1640 rpm that is the tire speed at about 120 mph.Unsafe) ???
you whont to tell me that the 20's not safe or whot?
or the 20's that i have is non safe?
i can tell you that if you know hou to drive then you can control the car an any wheels with any alinghment an wotar,snow, it's call expireance
and you think that 18's or 19's 20's wheels going to safe you if you dont know how to turn in to the 90 degre corner on hi speed?
you have to know that the driver control the car
any driver know that befor you tenking to go over 120mph you have to chek the car and the susp .
(ohlord) can you tall me som think have you deed some think an you owen car????? or have you have a car with tha 20'' wheels?
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something is very weird. is not the centerbore 60.1mm for Lexus wheels?
since MBs are 66.5mm uhm....hmmm....sounds like a load bearing surface
has been compromised here. oh !$%&
since MBs are 66.5mm uhm....hmmm....sounds like a load bearing surface
has been compromised here. oh !$%&
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out the rust on those rotors
This guy is even further out,well almost,further out than TG ever was
He biiin da exclnt drvr he sa he is i wud luv to get hem on da trak an scar da shet osta hem.
Not in his own poc,of course.I would use a real car with proper wheels
ohlord
This guy is even further out,well almost,further out than TG ever was
He biiin da exclnt drvr he sa he is i wud luv to get hem on da trak an scar da shet osta hem.
Not in his own poc,of course.I would use a real car with proper wheels
ohlord
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Stuck piston in the caliper most likely...
I am surprised this was not caught when all that "custom suspension work" was being undertaken. [Well, actually I am not...]
Were I in his position, I would me more concerned with how my braking system worked than how my [ugly] over-sized rims looked on the car...
Of course, YMMV.
JR
Were I in his position, I would me more concerned with how my braking system worked than how my [ugly] over-sized rims looked on the car...
Of course, YMMV.
JR
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the rust on those rotors only for 3 weaks don't hava a garage for it jast mouve in to my house from ,wa in to ,mo cant drive the car plates ar from ,wa state .
,mo state need inspection on the car befor they give you new plates.
(red66gt) the bolts oem no washers i have a specers on the wheels
ohlord you can take me to the trak and i can show you how to drive and you de one ho probebly weel shet in you pans
,mo state need inspection on the car befor they give you new plates.
(red66gt) the bolts oem no washers i have a specers on the wheels
ohlord you can take me to the trak and i can show you how to drive and you de one ho probebly weel shet in you pans
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Not in his own poc,of course.I would use a real car with proper wheels
ohlord
like ??????
Vehicle I drive: 1999 e320 Wagon,71 mgb,87 bmw735, 76mg midget,94subaru
you call that a cars?????
nathink personal OHLORD but i think you dont hava the car dat cud scer me
whots the top speed you eveh drove an the car or bike?????
ohlord
like ??????
Vehicle I drive: 1999 e320 Wagon,71 mgb,87 bmw735, 76mg midget,94subaru
you call that a cars?????
nathink personal OHLORD but i think you dont hava the car dat cud scer me
whots the top speed you eveh drove an the car or bike?????
