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Can loose reflector inside headlight housing be fixed?

Old Oct 13, 2008 | 02:45 PM
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Can loose reflector inside headlight housing be fixed?

This is a weird one! I was changing one of the low beam headlight bulbs on my 2001 E430 and noticed that the reflector (the housing that the bulb attaches to) inside the headlight assembly was loose! That is, I can grab the rear of the bulb and rock the reflector up and down. From the front of the car, you can see the reflector moving up and down. The low and high beam side both move together so they must be a single piece of plastic. The on on the other side of the car doesn't do this.

My question is: Is this something I can fix by tightening up a fastener or do I need to replace the headlight cluster? If I can fix it, can I do it in situ or do I need to remove the headlight cluster? This means removing the bumper, right?

Has anyone else had this problem? Any help or ideas will be greatly appreciated.

Fred
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Old Oct 13, 2008 | 03:05 PM
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i have the same problem!

it seems that the metal clips become loose over time and dont tighten as good as they used to.

anyone else with this problem?
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Old Oct 13, 2008 | 04:41 PM
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in my head, i seem to recall 4+ plastic fittings which are interspersed around
the perimeter of the headlight. the silver painted inner shell is attached to
the gray outer housing via these fittings and secured by adhesive and/or
the same gray sealant which serves as the sealant/gasket for the clear
outer lens.

why would it wiggle? hmmm, i'd have to have the headlight opened in front
of me, but either impact damage, sloppy construction (hard to imagine if
OEM unit), or the goo just isn't enough. i'll look at the one I have opened
up on the project bench when i get home.

I know that when oven heated, that's all it takes (a few mins) and the inner
reflector is removed and in your hand. in other words....easily removed.

if it's that simple, perhaps adhesive squirted onto the fittings is all that is
needed. (any other guesses?....jump in)
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Old Oct 13, 2008 | 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MB>BMW
i have the same problem!

it seems that the metal clips become loose over time and dont tighten as good as they used to.

anyone else with this problem?
Are you referring to the metal clips that hold the bulb? If so, you can simply bend out the tabs that lock into the plastic reflector housing and it will screw in tightly. My problem is the entire plastic reflector housing is loose.

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Old Oct 13, 2008 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by raymond g-
in my head, i seem to recall 4+ plastic fittings which are interspersed around
the perimeter of the headlight. the silver painted inner shell is attached to
the gray outer housing via these fittings and secured by adhesive and/or
the same gray sealant which serves as the sealant/gasket for the clear
outer lens.

why would it wiggle? hmmm, i'd have to have the headlight opened in front
of me, but either impact damage, sloppy construction (hard to imagine if
OEM unit), or the goo just isn't enough. i'll look at the one I have opened
up on the project bench when i get home.

I know that when oven heated, that's all it takes (a few mins) and the inner
reflector is removed and in your hand. in other words....easily removed.

if it's that simple, perhaps adhesive squirted onto the fittings is all that is
needed. (any other guesses?....jump in)
Sounds like at a minimum, I'll have to remove the headlight assembly to fix this. Do I understand that the clear lens is glued to the housing with a heat activated sealing gasket and you have to heat it up in a low temp oven to get the lens off? Does this apply to post facelift cars as well as the earlier models?

Am I correct that post facelift cars require bumper removal to get at the fasteners for the headlight assemblies?

Thanks,
Fred
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Old Oct 13, 2008 | 09:26 PM
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I have that problem on one of my headlights. I attached a rubber band to the bulb connector and gently pull the band out the top of the housing. I screwed the cap over the band to hold it. The rubber band keeps the reflector firmly seated upwards (which point the light downward). My headlights appear aligned perfectly. Solution has worked for years now.
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Old Oct 13, 2008 | 10:52 PM
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you know....if i'm not reading while at work, my comprehension level goes up.
yeah, i was too narrow minded in my reading. In haste, I pictured and projected
my own headlight which is of projector design.

We can assume that the OP's headlight is a reflector design in halogen or HID
since projectors weren't made for that year.

Unfortunately, I sold my OEM reflectors and can't remember what it looks like
inside. All that blather and I came up empty handed in my contribution.
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 11:04 AM
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Headlight level motor ball joint popped out?



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Headlight level motor ball joint popped out?
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I don't think the standard halogen headlamps have motorized headlight leveling. But I will check the level adjustment screws and see if those might be loose.

Thanks for the suggestion.

Fred
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Old Oct 17, 2008 | 11:36 AM
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If you have the little rotary dial next to the light switch you have headlight levelling, not on cars with zenons as they have auto headlight levelling.



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Old Oct 17, 2008 | 04:06 PM
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If you have the little rotary dial next to the light switch you have headlight levelling, not on cars with zenons as they have auto headlight levelling.
Lynall
No dial next to the headlight switch... Also, nothing in the owner's manual that show this feature. I think all the other optional gizmos are noted in the diagrams of the instruments and controls. Hmmm. Interesting. Is any one else familiar with this feature?

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