? Side mirrors or rear lights? I believe Steve can do the mirrors (not sure about the rear light cluster).
Anyone know who can install '00 W210 on a '99 W210?
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Anyone know who can install '00 W210 on a '99 W210?
Steve may not be able to do that, then again he may. Regardless, anyone knows where I can get this done in Cali?
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DOH! Sorry :P
YEs blinking mirrors. Steve said the seats need to be removed, so I dunno. I might just get them from him, but I just got a good deal for 200 bucks on brand new mirrors, and if I go w/ steve, I lknow i'll want the folding ones, so that's gonna more than double that.
YEs blinking mirrors. Steve said the seats need to be removed, so I dunno. I might just get them from him, but I just got a good deal for 200 bucks on brand new mirrors, and if I go w/ steve, I lknow i'll want the folding ones, so that's gonna more than double that.
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Folding and Blinking mirrors and Non-Folding and Blinking mirrors are entirely two different things requiring totally different install requirements.
I'm sure Steve will have his own opinions about this but last Thursday, he wired my car and Paomien's car for folding blinking mirrors we bought from him and he removed both front seats, carpets and changed the panels for the new folding mirror switch. I saw both cars worked on and I'm telling anyone that it is not an attempt to be made by the faint hearted. The existing wires are a maze and so will your mind if you attempt it yourself.
The dealer - I wouldn't even try unless you have a big budget for labor costs and you can convince them to do it.
I'm sure Steve will have his own opinions about this but last Thursday, he wired my car and Paomien's car for folding blinking mirrors we bought from him and he removed both front seats, carpets and changed the panels for the new folding mirror switch. I saw both cars worked on and I'm telling anyone that it is not an attempt to be made by the faint hearted. The existing wires are a maze and so will your mind if you attempt it yourself.
The dealer - I wouldn't even try unless you have a big budget for labor costs and you can convince them to do it.
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agreed - for anybody who would like to see what kind of work is required for wiring of the mirrors, look at my COMAND by steve sucess post ... 
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From: Khalifonia.
4 wheeled car.
I had Steve put Comand in my dad's '00 E320 already, so I've seen the magic already!
I'm probably gonna just do blinking mirrors, for the sake of $$$
Do you have a detailed DYI guide I could peek at? 
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I'm probably gonna just do blinking mirrors, for the sake of $$$
Originally posted by E-Klasse
They are not that hard to install. You don't have to remove the seats either. Mainly just the inner door panel and the door sill need to be removed on each side.
They are not that hard to install. You don't have to remove the seats either. Mainly just the inner door panel and the door sill need to be removed on each side.
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Remove the outer covers of your original mirrors by bending them back and useing a flat screw driver to disengage the clip that holds the cover on. There are 3 screws in the base that hold the mirror to the door.
Once you take your old mirrors off. Lay them next to the new ones and look at the wires. You will see wires going to the motor and to the back of the mirror glass for heat and auto dimming on the drivers side. You can see what needs to go where and swap the harmess from the old to the new. I even reused my original motors so I didn't have to figure out if they would move correctly or if the memory feature would work. The old motors mounted in the new mirror frames and the glass pops right on as well. Once the was done, the only wires that I had to change the connection ends on were for the heated morrors and the auto dimming.
Solder and heat shrink tubing took care of that. Now add 2 wires for the blinker LEDs. You need a good ground connection for the blinker and one more wire to conect to the rear taillight bliker on each side. I grounded to the chassie behind the dash. The wires for each rear tail blinker is under the door sill on each side so you don't have to go far to make the connection.
Look back at you taillight and see what the color of the wire is for the blinker and locate that one in the door sill because they are not always the same. The wires for the blinker are most of the time black with a colored line on it. The right side has a green line and the left side has a white line. Just look at the end of the wire in the taillight connector in the trunk.
Tap in to it and reassemble. I tested the wires first to make sure that they were in fact the blinker signals by pushing a stick pin in to the wire so that it makes contact and connected a volt meter or even a light bulb and turned on the flashers.
You will just have to remove the inner door panels on eash side, and the door sill covers to connect the positve wire. For the ground I removed the carpet on the passanger side, and the instrument cluster. There are factory grounding lugs in those places.
One trick that I discovered too, if you are having trouble getting the wires through the tube with all of the rest of the wires that go to the door just use the wires on the extra speaker connector. There are en extra set of green wires that tie in to the front speakers depending on what stereo system you have installed. Those wires go out of the door and down to the cable tray in the door sills already. Just clip them out of the connector with the other speaker connection.
Once you take your old mirrors off. Lay them next to the new ones and look at the wires. You will see wires going to the motor and to the back of the mirror glass for heat and auto dimming on the drivers side. You can see what needs to go where and swap the harmess from the old to the new. I even reused my original motors so I didn't have to figure out if they would move correctly or if the memory feature would work. The old motors mounted in the new mirror frames and the glass pops right on as well. Once the was done, the only wires that I had to change the connection ends on were for the heated morrors and the auto dimming.
Solder and heat shrink tubing took care of that. Now add 2 wires for the blinker LEDs. You need a good ground connection for the blinker and one more wire to conect to the rear taillight bliker on each side. I grounded to the chassie behind the dash. The wires for each rear tail blinker is under the door sill on each side so you don't have to go far to make the connection.
Look back at you taillight and see what the color of the wire is for the blinker and locate that one in the door sill because they are not always the same. The wires for the blinker are most of the time black with a colored line on it. The right side has a green line and the left side has a white line. Just look at the end of the wire in the taillight connector in the trunk.
Tap in to it and reassemble. I tested the wires first to make sure that they were in fact the blinker signals by pushing a stick pin in to the wire so that it makes contact and connected a volt meter or even a light bulb and turned on the flashers.
You will just have to remove the inner door panels on eash side, and the door sill covers to connect the positve wire. For the ground I removed the carpet on the passanger side, and the instrument cluster. There are factory grounding lugs in those places.
One trick that I discovered too, if you are having trouble getting the wires through the tube with all of the rest of the wires that go to the door just use the wires on the extra speaker connector. There are en extra set of green wires that tie in to the front speakers depending on what stereo system you have installed. Those wires go out of the door and down to the cable tray in the door sills already. Just clip them out of the connector with the other speaker connection.
Last edited by E-Klasse; Sep 2, 2003 at 04:33 PM.
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Door panel removal
There are a couple of hidden screws and some plastic clips and the door panel lifts up and off.
Remove the lock pin in the uper right corner. it just unscrews.
Pop the SRS cover and the cover below the door handle.
Flip the black cover off under the chrome door handle.
Unscrew the bolt holding the latch cover on.
Unscrew all of the screws that are under all of the covers that you removed.
Pop all of the plastic clips around the outer part of the panel. Be careful not to break them off.
Swing the door panel out at the bottom and unplug the sill light in the bottom.
Lift the panel up to pop the rail that hold the top of the door next to the window.
Unplug the power seat controls.
Don't worry about the airbag. Only the cover is in the door panel. It is mounted in the door.
There should still be a plastic liner covering the inner part of the door to keep water out.
Remove the lock pin in the uper right corner. it just unscrews.
Pop the SRS cover and the cover below the door handle.
Flip the black cover off under the chrome door handle.
Unscrew the bolt holding the latch cover on.
Unscrew all of the screws that are under all of the covers that you removed.
Pop all of the plastic clips around the outer part of the panel. Be careful not to break them off.
Swing the door panel out at the bottom and unplug the sill light in the bottom.
Lift the panel up to pop the rail that hold the top of the door next to the window.
Unplug the power seat controls.
Don't worry about the airbag. Only the cover is in the door panel. It is mounted in the door.
There should still be a plastic liner covering the inner part of the door to keep water out.
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Take off your old mirrors by bending them back and pulling back the pin (see the pic) that holds the mirror cover in place and then sliding the cover off. Next, remove the inside screw first by bending back the mirror once again to access it. Then with the mirror in place, remove the other 2 screws. You may now unclip the wire connectors and remove your mirrors completely. As long as you have the original connectors from the 2000+ E class still connected to the new mirrors, take a pair of wire cutters and snip off the old connectors on your car. Unclip the new connectors from the new mirrors and strip the wires on them. Then strip all of the wires on your car. Follow the wire instructions below to connect all of the wires together (see the pic):
On the 00-02 W210 blinking mirrors, you can find the following wires in pin position (as numbered on the connectors):
1 - power heated glass
2 - ground heated glass
3 - mirror adjustment (numbered 8 in the mirror motor connector)
4 - mirror adjustment (numbered 6 in the mirror motor connector)
5 - mirror adjustment (numbered 2 in the mirror motor connector)
6 - power blinker (black/white)
7 - ground blinker (brown)
8 - Empty
9 - mirror memory (numbered 7 in the mirror motor connector)
10 - mirror memory (numbered 5 in the mirror motor connector)
11 - mirror memory (numbered 1 in the mirror motor connector)
12 - mirror memory (numbered 3 in the mirror motor connector)
13 - folding mirror
14 - folding memory
15 - auto dimming glass (connects to pink/black)
16 - auto dimming glass (connects to pink/red)
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On the old 96-99 W210 mirrors, you’ll find 1 flat 5-pin connector that has 2 separated parts: 1 part has 2 contact pins and the other part has 3 contact pins:
outer side 2-pin part: power heated glass (#1 of the blinking connector)
inner side 2-pin part: ground heated glass (#2 of the blinking connector)
inner side 3-pin part: mirror adjustment (#3 of the blinking connector)
middle 3-pin part: mirror adjustment (#4 of the blinking connector)
outer side 3-pin part: mirror adjustment (#5 of the blinking connector)
You also have 1 oval shaped 8-pin connector that has numbers written on the pin positions:
1 - mirror memory (#9 of the blinking connector)
2 - mirror memory (#10 of the blinking connector)
3 - mirror memory (#11 of the blinking connector)
4 - mirror memory (#12 of the blinking connector)
5 - folding mirror (use it for the blinker power!)
6 - folding mirror (use it for the blinker ground!)
7 - auto-dimming glass (#15 of the blinking connector)
8 - auto-dimming glass (#16 of the blinking connector)
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Now, you need to connect the wires for your blinkers. If there are any wires left over on your car that maybe don’t fit anywhere on you new mirrors, i.e. you old mirrors were dimming and your new mirrors are not, you can use those wires to connect your blinkers without running new wires through your door and into your car and not removing the door panels (additional comments below). Just make sure to cutoff their contact in the A-pillar/kick panel before connecting them and then rewire them to ground and to the blinker wire in the doorsill. I actually ran 2 new wires, grounded one to the chassis behind the A-pillar/kick panel and the other to the blinker wire in the doorsill (see pic). The wires for each of rear tail blinkers are located under the doorsills on each side so you don't have to go far to make the connection. Look inside the trunk at your taillight and see what the color of the wire is for the blinker and locate that same one in the doorsill (additional comments below). Tap into it in the doorsill and reassemble (see pic). I tested the wires first to make sure that they were in fact the blinker signals by pushing a stickpin/test light into the wire so that it makes contact and turned on the flashers.
A couple of remarks if you would like to use your old motors: the 2000-2002 W210 mirrors are different than the 1996-1999 mirror motors. Even though the connectors are the same, the wires plug into different pin positions. Just swapping the wire harness and matching the numbers on the wires only won't work (no memory feature after that). The old style mirror motors in the new style mirrors will fit but the mirror lenses will sit decentralized after that (the glass won't sit in the middle of the cover anymore). This is just an optic issue at the passenger side but at the driver side with the thicker auto dimming glass, the glass barely fits, again it barely fits!
As far as the ground and power for the blinker goes, quite a lot of US spec 210’s are pre-wired (in the doors only) for power folding mirrors (even though that never was an option). If your oval shaped 8pin connector at the mirror has a green and yellow wire in pos 5 and 6, then use these for the blinking wires through the doors (so you don't have to take the door panels off). The green and yellow wire can be found back at the base of the A-pillar/kick panel without anything attached to the other side of the connector, or you may just cut them if they are, they don’t go anywhere. If your car is not pre-wired for folding mirrors and there are no leftover wires you can use, you have to install 2 wires for power and ground. Connect the ground to the car (chassis) and not to a color-coded ground for the heated glass (color coded grounds aren't permanent grounds)(see pic).
The wires for the blinkers are black, the right side has a green line and the left side has a white line (at least in my 97 E) and you will find those wires in the cable trays next to the front seats in the doorsills under the carpeting on both sides (see pic).
Key, follow all of the wiring descriptions above and you shouldn’t have any problems! Please be sure and use small connectors when rewiring and connecting the new connectors to your car so that they fit into the holes in the doors once you push the new mirror back into place. If you don’t have any small connectors, you may just use electrical tape on each wire individually and then tape the whole bunch together or use heat shrinking tubes for a cleaner job (more time consuming). I have found that electrical tape works just fine. Tape off any open wires that are not used or that are cut so that they don’t end up shorting anything out. I also used tapping connectors to tap into the blinker wires in the doorsills from the rear of the car (see pic.). This all shouldn’t take you more than a couple of hours. Good luck with your install.
On the 00-02 W210 blinking mirrors, you can find the following wires in pin position (as numbered on the connectors):
1 - power heated glass
2 - ground heated glass
3 - mirror adjustment (numbered 8 in the mirror motor connector)
4 - mirror adjustment (numbered 6 in the mirror motor connector)
5 - mirror adjustment (numbered 2 in the mirror motor connector)
6 - power blinker (black/white)
7 - ground blinker (brown)
8 - Empty
9 - mirror memory (numbered 7 in the mirror motor connector)
10 - mirror memory (numbered 5 in the mirror motor connector)
11 - mirror memory (numbered 1 in the mirror motor connector)
12 - mirror memory (numbered 3 in the mirror motor connector)
13 - folding mirror
14 - folding memory
15 - auto dimming glass (connects to pink/black)
16 - auto dimming glass (connects to pink/red)
--------------------------------------------------------------
On the old 96-99 W210 mirrors, you’ll find 1 flat 5-pin connector that has 2 separated parts: 1 part has 2 contact pins and the other part has 3 contact pins:
outer side 2-pin part: power heated glass (#1 of the blinking connector)
inner side 2-pin part: ground heated glass (#2 of the blinking connector)
inner side 3-pin part: mirror adjustment (#3 of the blinking connector)
middle 3-pin part: mirror adjustment (#4 of the blinking connector)
outer side 3-pin part: mirror adjustment (#5 of the blinking connector)
You also have 1 oval shaped 8-pin connector that has numbers written on the pin positions:
1 - mirror memory (#9 of the blinking connector)
2 - mirror memory (#10 of the blinking connector)
3 - mirror memory (#11 of the blinking connector)
4 - mirror memory (#12 of the blinking connector)
5 - folding mirror (use it for the blinker power!)
6 - folding mirror (use it for the blinker ground!)
7 - auto-dimming glass (#15 of the blinking connector)
8 - auto-dimming glass (#16 of the blinking connector)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Now, you need to connect the wires for your blinkers. If there are any wires left over on your car that maybe don’t fit anywhere on you new mirrors, i.e. you old mirrors were dimming and your new mirrors are not, you can use those wires to connect your blinkers without running new wires through your door and into your car and not removing the door panels (additional comments below). Just make sure to cutoff their contact in the A-pillar/kick panel before connecting them and then rewire them to ground and to the blinker wire in the doorsill. I actually ran 2 new wires, grounded one to the chassis behind the A-pillar/kick panel and the other to the blinker wire in the doorsill (see pic). The wires for each of rear tail blinkers are located under the doorsills on each side so you don't have to go far to make the connection. Look inside the trunk at your taillight and see what the color of the wire is for the blinker and locate that same one in the doorsill (additional comments below). Tap into it in the doorsill and reassemble (see pic). I tested the wires first to make sure that they were in fact the blinker signals by pushing a stickpin/test light into the wire so that it makes contact and turned on the flashers.
A couple of remarks if you would like to use your old motors: the 2000-2002 W210 mirrors are different than the 1996-1999 mirror motors. Even though the connectors are the same, the wires plug into different pin positions. Just swapping the wire harness and matching the numbers on the wires only won't work (no memory feature after that). The old style mirror motors in the new style mirrors will fit but the mirror lenses will sit decentralized after that (the glass won't sit in the middle of the cover anymore). This is just an optic issue at the passenger side but at the driver side with the thicker auto dimming glass, the glass barely fits, again it barely fits!
As far as the ground and power for the blinker goes, quite a lot of US spec 210’s are pre-wired (in the doors only) for power folding mirrors (even though that never was an option). If your oval shaped 8pin connector at the mirror has a green and yellow wire in pos 5 and 6, then use these for the blinking wires through the doors (so you don't have to take the door panels off). The green and yellow wire can be found back at the base of the A-pillar/kick panel without anything attached to the other side of the connector, or you may just cut them if they are, they don’t go anywhere. If your car is not pre-wired for folding mirrors and there are no leftover wires you can use, you have to install 2 wires for power and ground. Connect the ground to the car (chassis) and not to a color-coded ground for the heated glass (color coded grounds aren't permanent grounds)(see pic).
The wires for the blinkers are black, the right side has a green line and the left side has a white line (at least in my 97 E) and you will find those wires in the cable trays next to the front seats in the doorsills under the carpeting on both sides (see pic).
Key, follow all of the wiring descriptions above and you shouldn’t have any problems! Please be sure and use small connectors when rewiring and connecting the new connectors to your car so that they fit into the holes in the doors once you push the new mirror back into place. If you don’t have any small connectors, you may just use electrical tape on each wire individually and then tape the whole bunch together or use heat shrinking tubes for a cleaner job (more time consuming). I have found that electrical tape works just fine. Tape off any open wires that are not used or that are cut so that they don’t end up shorting anything out. I also used tapping connectors to tap into the blinker wires in the doorsills from the rear of the car (see pic.). This all shouldn’t take you more than a couple of hours. Good luck with your install.
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This is the connector for the extra speaker that was not used in my car either. It already runs down to the wire tray down in the sill. You just have to disconnect it from the wires that go to the other speaker and tap one of them in to the rear blinker wire and ground the other one. This saved me from fishing the wires through the door and frame.
