Ok, Lets keep it simple... V6/I6 ??
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Originally Posted by xraymd
To the CDI crowd - Is your higher mileage with diesel offset by the higher cost of fuel? Are you coming out ahead right now?
With diesel running about $.10 more than super, I am way ahead.
To put it in perspective.. using EPA milage data... a gallon of Diesel would have to hit $4.33 before I loose $/mile efficiency vs the Gas car equal to mine (realize, the E500 is closer in performance than the E350 on the CDI's).
When heating oil season comes to an end, in 3 months or so, Diesel will cost less than Super at the pump.. happens every year.
Diesels biggest advantage is durability.
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Thanks for the numbers. I'm hoping we don't see $4.33! I'm just not familiar with how much more diesel is than gas and how much better the mileage is on the CDI over equivalent gas. I was trying to find mileage data for the E350 but couldn't.
I'm happy getting 18mpg on my 55. Now I just have to save my pennies for my natural gas bills this winter.
I'm happy getting 18mpg on my 55. Now I just have to save my pennies for my natural gas bills this winter.
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Originally Posted by xraymd
Thanks for the numbers. I'm hoping we don't see $4.33! I'm just not familiar with how much more diesel is than gas and how much better the mileage is on the CDI over equivalent gas. I was trying to find mileage data for the E350 but couldn't.
I'm happy getting 18mpg on my 55. Now I just have to save my pennies for my natural gas bills this winter.
I'm happy getting 18mpg on my 55. Now I just have to save my pennies for my natural gas bills this winter.
The thing about CDI milage isn't so much the fact that you can get 40mpg at 65+ mph... as many cars can do this.. it's the fact that you get that and 369ft/lb of torque at your command all the while.. that's what makes it amazing.
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Originally Posted by CE750
well ahead.. I pay $2.99 for Diesel #2, and for my Volvo $2.89 for super (AZ prices are usually high)..
With diesel running about $.10 more than super, I am way ahead.
To put it in perspective.. using EPA milage data... a gallon of Diesel would have to hit $4.33 before I loose $/mile efficiency vs the Gas car equal to mine (realize, the E500 is closer in performance than the E350 on the CDI's).
When heating oil season comes to an end, in 3 months or so, Diesel will cost less than Super at the pump.. happens every year.
Diesels biggest advantage is durability.
With diesel running about $.10 more than super, I am way ahead.
To put it in perspective.. using EPA milage data... a gallon of Diesel would have to hit $4.33 before I loose $/mile efficiency vs the Gas car equal to mine (realize, the E500 is closer in performance than the E350 on the CDI's).
When heating oil season comes to an end, in 3 months or so, Diesel will cost less than Super at the pump.. happens every year.
Diesels biggest advantage is durability.
Does this include any premium paid for the diesel engine vs. the gas 350? My GMC cost me almost $5K more than the gas but the mileage is 50-75% better. Premium is about $.10 less than diesel out here right now. It only seems to vary by about $.20 either way. With a 50% mileage gain, I'll pay for the diesel upgrade in about 3.5 years.
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Originally Posted by CE750
I'm quite certain gas/diesel prices are on their way back down to below $2 with in a year.. This is temporary, I'm willing to bet.
The thing about CDI milage isn't so much the fact that you can get 40mpg at 65+ mph... as many cars can do this.. it's the fact that you get that and 369ft/lb of torque at your command all the while.. that's what makes it amazing.
The thing about CDI milage isn't so much the fact that you can get 40mpg at 65+ mph... as many cars can do this.. it's the fact that you get that and 369ft/lb of torque at your command all the while.. that's what makes it amazing.
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Originally Posted by E55AMG99
Hey Sam,
Does this include any premium paid for the diesel engine vs. the gas 350? My GMC cost me almost $5K more than the gas but the mileage is 50-75% better. Premium is about $.10 less than diesel out here right now. It only seems to vary by about $.20 either way. With a 50% mileage gain, I'll pay for the diesel upgrade in about 3.5 years.
Does this include any premium paid for the diesel engine vs. the gas 350? My GMC cost me almost $5K more than the gas but the mileage is 50-75% better. Premium is about $.10 less than diesel out here right now. It only seems to vary by about $.20 either way. With a 50% mileage gain, I'll pay for the diesel upgrade in about 3.5 years.
Truck diesel options are pricey.. You're right, but this is where the MB is interesting, because the premium is actually kind of small when you consider it's a diesel. But they also shaved costs in other areas to help keep the premium small, such as the front disk brakes... On the E350 they're like the E500.. brembo with the larger disk.. on the CDI they're basic, which really ticks me off frankly, but don't get me started on MB cost cutting!
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Originally Posted by CE750
I've read where the $1500 extra for the CDI would take a year to make back, but then that just means if you hold it for longer than the year.. it's all gravy.
Truck diesel options are pricey.. You're right, but this is where the MB is interesting, because the premium is actually kind of small when you consider it's a diesel. But they also shaved costs in other areas to help keep the premium small, such as the front disk brakes... On the E350 they're like the E500.. brembo with the larger disk.. on the CDI they're basic, which really ticks me off frankly, but don't get me started on MB cost cutting!
Truck diesel options are pricey.. You're right, but this is where the MB is interesting, because the premium is actually kind of small when you consider it's a diesel. But they also shaved costs in other areas to help keep the premium small, such as the front disk brakes... On the E350 they're like the E500.. brembo with the larger disk.. on the CDI they're basic, which really ticks me off frankly, but don't get me started on MB cost cutting!
The truck I'll keep for 6-7 years at least so the extra $ is not that hard to swallow and made even better by the pricing incentives and financing.
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Originally Posted by CE750
I'm quite certain gas/diesel prices are on their way back down to below $2 with in a year.. This is temporary, I'm willing to bet.
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Originally Posted by E55AMG99
The truck I'll keep for 6-7 years at least so the extra $ is not that hard to swallow and made even better by the pricing incentives and financing.
HOH: I never said $2/gal in California now! :p
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Originally Posted by CE750
and the fact that you could probably remove a California Redwood Sequoia out of the ground with the prodigious torque it produces!
HOH: I never said $2/gal in California now! :p
HOH: I never said $2/gal in California now! :p
The huge torque rise is actually the truck's only weakness. I can't keep from spinning the tires when I'm towing the trailer!! OK, I can't keep from spinning the tires ANYTIME! I love this truck but I can't wait for Gale Banks to certify the Six Gun for it. With the ECU, an intake pipe and exhaust system, I should be putting out 450HP and close to 800lb-ft torque! Look out!
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Originally Posted by E55AMG99
The huge torque rise is actually the truck's only weakness. I can't keep from spinning the tires when I'm towing the trailer!! OK, I can't keep from spinning the tires ANYTIME! I love this truck but I can't wait for Gale Banks to certify the Six Gun for it. With the ECU, an intake pipe and exhaust system, I should be putting out 450HP and close to 800lb-ft torque! Look out!
BTW.. out at the track there was 4x4 Duramax powered F250 that ran a 14.8.. for a large 4x4 truck!
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Originally Posted by CE750
you and PHXATC need to talk!
BTW.. out at the track there was 4x4 Duramax powered F250 that ran a 14.8.. for a large 4x4 truck!
BTW.. out at the track there was 4x4 Duramax powered F250 that ran a 14.8.. for a large 4x4 truck!
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Originally Posted by E55AMG99
There are at least 2 guys in my area that have solid mid-low 12 second Ford F350s. I saw the video tape of one of them pulling a 12.14 against a C5 Z06. Freaking amazing since the damn truck weighs almost 7000 lbs!
Pulling 12s and get to make a dump run too????? nIIIIIce
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Originally Posted by HELL ONA HARLEY
Pulling 12s and get to make a dump run too????? nIIIIIce
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Originally Posted by CE750
I'm quite certain gas/diesel prices are on their way back down to below $2 with in a year.. This is temporary, I'm willing to bet.
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Originally Posted by E55AMG99
There are at least 2 guys in my area that have solid mid-low 12 second Ford F350s. I saw the video tape of one of them pulling a 12.14 against a C5 Z06. Freaking amazing since the damn truck weighs almost 7000 lbs!
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Originally Posted by 2manytoys
Yea, I am sorry, I was refering to the diesel 6cyl's.
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yup.. basically, every time I've asked about I-6 vs V6 to either engineers, mechanics, or just plain old motor head.. the I-6 is a unanimous winner.. like I originally said I6>V6... it will always be. ALL ELSE BEING EQUAL. Again, in the new V6 CDI, they have a 3rd generation CDI system, that if used on the I-6 would yield more HP and Torque.. but MB needs V6 for cost/4-matic etc..
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Originally Posted by BudC
The V6 requires low sulfur diesel fuel because they have particulate filters. Low sulfur diesel fuel will not be widely available in the US until sometime in the second half of 2006. That means that the V6 will probably be imported as a 2007 model year available no earlier than late 2006.
I'm not sure what to make of having to add fertilizer to my exhaust system on a periodic basis...
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Gives a whole new meaning to "taking a pee." Now that will mean that you are emptying the urea tank.
I feel dirty now.
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