California BlueTec debut
10-16-2007, 03:59 PM
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California BlueTec debut
LOS ANGELES - October 16, 2007: Mercedes-Benz USA (MBUSA) unveiled a version of its E320 BLUETEC, a diesel sedan that will immediately be available in limited numbers to California customers through a special two- year/24,000-mile lease.
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...15/067302.html
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...15/067302.html
10-17-2007, 08:49 AM
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Interesting, but they do not mention the differences on this car compared to the current (should I say previous) E320 Bluetec. Would this be the same as the E300 Bluetec for Europe?
And why is the AdBlue model needed during 2008, are the US emission regulations changed by then from that of California today?
And why is the AdBlue model needed during 2008, are the US emission regulations changed by then from that of California today?
10-17-2007, 03:06 PM
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So the new US diesel is more like the current European E320 CDI, 224 PS and 540 Nm. Diesel consumption 6.7 l/100 km versus the Euro E300 Bluetec that only gives 7.3 l/100 km even if the US model rear differential is shorter.
Clearly not exactly the same cars.
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Seit dem 15. Oktober 2006 wird der E 320 Bluetec mit 211 PS und 526 NM in 45 US-Bundestaaten angeboten. Jetzt wurde er überarbeitet und leistet wie in Deutschland 224 PS und 540 NM und darf als erster Diesel-Pkw in Kalifornien verkauft werden. Da man jedoch anders als in allen anderen Ländern die Abgasnormen in Kalifornien als Hersteller über ein Autoleben garantieren muss, bietet Mercedes den E 320 Bluetec in der ersten Generation ohne AdBlue Einspritzung nur als 24 monatigen Leasingvertrag an.
Der E 320 Bluetec verbraucht laut Daimler AG rund 6,7 Liter und ist damit sparsamer als der E 300 Bluetec (7,3 Liter) und das obwohl die Hinterachsübersetzung des E 320 Bluetec mit 1:2,65 kürzer übersetzt ist als die der EU-Modelle mit 1:2,45.
Clearly not exactly the same cars.
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Seit dem 15. Oktober 2006 wird der E 320 Bluetec mit 211 PS und 526 NM in 45 US-Bundestaaten angeboten. Jetzt wurde er überarbeitet und leistet wie in Deutschland 224 PS und 540 NM und darf als erster Diesel-Pkw in Kalifornien verkauft werden. Da man jedoch anders als in allen anderen Ländern die Abgasnormen in Kalifornien als Hersteller über ein Autoleben garantieren muss, bietet Mercedes den E 320 Bluetec in der ersten Generation ohne AdBlue Einspritzung nur als 24 monatigen Leasingvertrag an.
Der E 320 Bluetec verbraucht laut Daimler AG rund 6,7 Liter und ist damit sparsamer als der E 300 Bluetec (7,3 Liter) und das obwohl die Hinterachsübersetzung des E 320 Bluetec mit 1:2,65 kürzer übersetzt ist als die der EU-Modelle mit 1:2,45.
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Interesting, but they do not mention the differences on this car compared to the current (should I say previous) E320 Bluetec. Would this be the same as the E300 Bluetec for Europe?
And why is the AdBlue model needed during 2008, are the US emission regulations changed by then from that of California today?
And why is the AdBlue model needed during 2008, are the US emission regulations changed by then from that of California today?
As far as I remember all 2008 diesels have to have Ad Blue in California.
When I was in England recently I noticed some buses or commercial vehicles with the Ad Blue fill hole. They are already in operation in Europe though I think it is a great waste of time and money. Reason: the European diesels emit less CO but more NXO but are not allowed to sell in the USA.
It is all industrial lobbying.
10-18-2007, 01:34 AM
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Good spot, www.mercedes-benz.de reports 1:2,47 for both Euro versions (E320 CDI and E300 Bluetec).
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As far as I remember all 2008 diesels have to have Ad Blue in California.
When I was in England recently I noticed some buses or commercial vehicles with the Ad Blue fill hole. They are already in operation in Europe though I think it is a great waste of time and money. Reason: the European diesels emit less CO but more NXO but are not allowed to sell in the USA.
It is all industrial lobbying.
As far as I remember all 2008 diesels have to have Ad Blue in California.
When I was in England recently I noticed some buses or commercial vehicles with the Ad Blue fill hole. They are already in operation in Europe though I think it is a great waste of time and money. Reason: the European diesels emit less CO but more NXO but are not allowed to sell in the USA.
It is all industrial lobbying.
PS. I don't have to sign for every new post, did you tick "remember me" or something similar when logging in? Perhaps an issue with your browser.
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Is it? The E300 Bluetec figures are 155 kW and 540 Nm while the jesmb figure for the US Bluetec was lower (526 Nm). I did not check from MB USA, is it another mistake in the MB press release that jesmb is referring?
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On a recent trip through the mountains, from Kamloops to Vancouver, my Bluetec's fuel consumption was 6.8 L/100 or 41.5 mpg imperial, traveling @ 100 - 130 kph. On a more level Interstate highway, I would expect even better fuel consumption for my Bluetec.
It's an amazing machine, with so much torque !
Good news about it finally being available in California.
It's an amazing machine, with so much torque !
Good news about it finally being available in California.
10-18-2007, 05:36 PM
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US: http://www.mbusa.com/models/features...TEC&class=08_E
EU: http://www.mercedes-benz.de/content/...ine_071015.pdf
The 1hp difference and 1.7 lb-ft is probably due to the slightly different standards for calculating power in the US, also differences in fuel...
10-18-2007, 06:08 PM
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Come on I am pretty critical of the the us and especially our drivers but we are not that bad.
Just our of curiosity what is the difference in gearing for the EU and the US spec machines.
10-18-2007, 07:15 PM
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EU spec has a rear axle ratio of 1:2,47, while US spec is 1:2,65.
I cannot believe you can defend LA drivers, I go to school there, and incompitent would be too much of a compliment for the way most people drive. Then again, compared to Stuttgart, most drivers seem...gestört.
I cannot believe you can defend LA drivers, I go to school there, and incompitent would be too much of a compliment for the way most people drive. Then again, compared to Stuttgart, most drivers seem...gestört.
