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Hello all, first post here in this forum. I bought an '03 E500 with 33.5k kms on it on Saturday and absolutely love the car. I previously had an '03 C230K SS...

On to the question (cross post from Benzworld - didn't get any hits).

Re: CLS 55 AMG Style III 19" wheel fitment
I test fitted the wheels Saturday and although quite an aggressive offset, seem to fit fine. In terms of the lugs, will my stock lugs work on the new wheels? Or will I need to purchase a new set? They too seemed to fit fine...

Can anyone chime in??

Here are some ****ty pictures... I was out celebrating on Saturday!

CynCarvin32

There have been many threads about these wheels on the W211 in the E55 forum. Sadly I have to say they dont fit well. The rear will rub and the front likely will as well. those wheels use a ET of 25 front and 28 rear. At an ET of 33 in the rear you get SLIGHT rubbing with a 285 tire and move that wheel 8 MM further towards the fender and you will have some serious rubbing issues.

In the front the tire will catch on the lip and end up slicing the tire and pulling the fender and bending the lip.

If you want that sized wheel you need to get smaller tires (245/275) or you can buy the AMG style III wheels from europe that at are ET 30 and 31 I believe as those work fine with the 245/275 combo. The CLS wheels just do not fit well. They look great but they will cause you problems.

For running 255 or 265 tires in the front and 285 in the rear you need wheels that are ET 35 and 40 (rear) -- this assumes a wheels that are 8l5 inches wide front and 9.5 rear.

carlosfernandez

Like your reply and your info.

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Thanks for the reply Carvin.

Yes, I did do some research prior too as well but the price made sense. When it comes to replacing tires, I'll move to a 245/275 combo.

Any issues with the lugs?

CynCarvin32

Not sure about the lugs but you want about 6 full turns before the lug is fully tightened. Anything towards 9 turns will lead you to having issues with the parking brake shoes in the rear. Do you hear any clicking from the back when driving? If so that is the parking brake getting hit by the lugs.

The CLS wheels are drilled I think for 14 mm lugs and the E500 might be 12 but I honestly dont recall if all W211's us 14 mm lugs. If so you might have to get a hybrid lug to make it work correctly.

Just be careful with those tires. You can do damage to your front fenders very easily and that will be annoying to fix. The tire will yank the lip down and it will likely end up cracking the paint. You will also likely rub on the fender lip and the rear flange where the fender and the bumper meet. If you see cuts in your tires I would just get smaller tires sicne its not worth the risk of a blow out.

Where do you live? If you wanted to sell the tires you could likely get decent money for them if they are still pretty new.

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Thanks, i'll check the turns. That's a really helpful tip.
The tires have only a few thousand km's and lots of tread depth.

I would like to lower the front end approximately 3/4" so new tires are probably in my future. Currently the car's at home all week until I get this sorted.

Would the clicking from the rear end be from too long a lug? I would assume yes?

_Env_

Very nice wheels.

Quick question, would these wheels work if one ran, 245/35 for the front, and 275/30 for the rear? Also, what exactly is the problem with these wheels on a 211? Would spacers or machining the wheels do anything?

CynCarvin32

spacers would make it even worse. The ET (off-set) on these wheels is to small (shallow) meaning the wheel sits closer towards the fender lip. An ET of 28 on the rear of the car means the mounting surface of the wheel is 28mm from the center line of the wheel. The further towards the front of the wheel the mounting face sits the further in the barrel of the wheel ends up sitting and thats what makes a wheel fit or not.

Spacers can only make an offset more shallow -- say going from a 40 ET to a 30 ET with a 10mm spacer. You cant go the opposite direction unless you shave down the mounting pad on the wheel and thats a pretty bad idea since thats where the strength of the wheel needs to be located.

This same style wheel is available in a 19 inch form with a fit made speciffically for the W211. It may be a bit more money but you have a wheel that looks correct on the car. Even with the smaller tires the CLS wheels will end up looking a little off since they will sit very flush with the fender and the tires will look a bit stretched. I think the ET on the W211 wheels is 30 and 31 if I recall correctly (with 245 and 275 tires).

CynCarvin32

Yes if you hear any sound you have a lug that is to long and do not drive the car at all until you get shorter bolts. This will cause terminal damage for your parking brake costing upwards of 1k to fix.

Good luck! I know the feeling of wanting these wheels on a W211. I did this all with my E55 when I had it and I had to pass on a screaming deal just because it was not quite correct. That style III is one of the best looking wheels on the market for that car IMHO.

_Env_

Thanks ALOT CynCarvin32, you were very insightful about the wheels. So the ideal ET running 245/275 would be 30 and 31?
How would the replica 19s fit? Also, where can we get the OEM 19s for the W211?

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That's great Carvin, thanks!
I do agree that the wheels are beautiful and i'm determined to make them work. Provided the clearance with the lugs are okay, I'll probably order new tires in the next day or two. Cheers,

CynCarvin32

Yes those off-sets are what AMG uses so I know they are what they consider ideal. But anything between 30 and 35 front and 31-40 rear works ok with 245 275 tires. If you want to go larger you will need the 35-36 front et and 40 rear (both these assumptions assume it is the wheels are 8.5 front and 9.5 rear) adding say half an inch to the wheel adds .25 of an inch to either side of the center line of the wheel meaning you now have 6.35 mm more wheel extending inboard and outboard. So to go larger say to a 9 front or 10 rear you need to move the ET up towards 42 rear and 37-39 front (with big tires). You then have to watch that you dont contact the strut tube in the front and the subframe mounts in the rear as those are the first items to cause rubbing issues on the inside!

The 19 inch amg wheels are available through your dealership. The part numbers are available through AMG's wheel generator web page and then just call your dealership and inquire. A user here on the forum put them on his E63 and it looks sensational.

Wheel fitments all depend on what you want. Do you want the largest tires possible, the most aggressive stance (smaller tires), comfort etc. AMG's off-sets are guaranteed not to rub and be safe. But they use smaller tire sizing. My figures are for getting 255 or 265 tires up front and 285 in the rear. Its just a mix and match really.

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CynCarvin: I did some figure 8 testing in a parking lot and here's what i discovered. I'm running B-stone RE050 in size 255/35 and 285/30 (wheel size 8.5/9.5).

Front: touches inside fender liner lightly only at full lock.
Rear: touches inside the fender lip.

I'm planning to order Yokohama ES100's in 245/35 and 275/30. After reading the specs closely on Tirerack, I'm wondering if I should do a 265 rear width instead of 275. Read the specs below:

Front
1) 245/35ZR19, rim width: 8-9.5", sect. width: 9.5"
2) 255/35ZR19, rim width: 8.5-10", sect. width: 10"
(Current, B-stone RE050)

Rear
1) 265/30ZR19, rim width: 8-9.5", sect. width: 9.5"
2) 275/30ZR19, rim width: 9-10", sect. width: 10.8"
3) 285/30ZR19, rim width: 9.5-10", sect. width: 11.3"
(Current, B-stone RE050)

ES100's 275 vs 265
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.j...e%3D73WR9ES100

RE050 285
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.j...e1=yes&place=0

Should I stick with 275's or go with 265's? Should I consider a narrower front?

LAMB09

Hi

I am also interested in putting cls amg wheels on an 08 e350.

I want to confirm that they will fit ok, and was wondering if you got your new tires yet to tell if there was any rubbing going on.

I was also wondering if you could post some better side shot pics of the wheels?

how is the car height with 19's? does it sit very high


thanks

john

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John,
I'm actually installing the tires and lowering it today. I'll post pics tomorrow... my advice, buy the AMG Style III's with the correct offset, et30, et31. The part number for the wheels are floating around on the board.