K-A

Nice intelligent response buddy. I guess the logistics go over your head on this one.

RNBRAD

I can't believe the point was missed. I guess it's like a preacher trying to explain a chapter using 1 verse, it just don't work.

What KA has stated which is easy to understand is that the only time you would benefit from the 550 is when you exceed<---key word "exceed" the capability of the 350 motor. If you never exceed the 350's capabilities or want more accelerationr based on your driving habits, then how can a bigger motor be of benefit to the person? Other than the smoothness of the 550, my grandma would never know the difference between the 350 vs 550. She could switch from the 550 to the 350 every other week and never know.

afaedC63

So whats the 0-60 time again?


I'm actually really interested in the 2012 E550's 0-60. I test drove one and it felt faster then what mb lists. I actually plan on dyno testing the car (gets here in 6 days) for fun...

Edward

hyperion667

no worries KA, your thoughts and opinions are one's I always tune into duder......
and a lot of other would agree that you're a respected cat on these boards.....

no sweat

K-A

Exactly, and very well said. If I don't ever or rarely tap into the 268 HP's full potential, then it's really impossible to feel the extra push of the V8, which is what I experienced when driving them back to back. The extra smoothness and quietness of the V8 is actually what's most instantly apparent. To my needs and driving style, the E550's extra HP is excessive, and there's certainly nothing wrong with that, but it's just what it is.

Good example on the Grandma as well. I actually remembered that my Dad, who's a very conservative driver (and wouldn't know whether his car has 200 or 800 HP, he's that conservative of a driver) just got a CLK500. Granted, the 500 doesn't have the power of the 550, but on a lighter car like the CLK, the extra meat and torque is still there over the E350. I let him drive my car, and not only did he not notice any which difference in power, but he had no idea his car was even a V8 until I told him. LOL

Thanks bud, and exact same to you.

SolidGranite

Excessive. Exactly. Some people want it, some don't. This thread has become way too argumentative for such a simple original post.

WEBSRFR

So after three pages of the merits or need of having the extra HP, do we have an answer to the poor guy's simple question?

RobbieRob

I said it on page 1 before ww3 took place....lol Car and driver mag has it going 0-60 in 4.6, and 1/4 mile in 13.1 . It was in the issue that they put it up against the Infinity M something???

WEBSRFR

Wow. That is quite fast. I would have expected it to do right about 5 on the dot. Are you sure this is not without a roll-out? The W211 E550 did about 5.2-5.4 unless I am not mistaken so it is a bit surprising to see 20 more HP slash the 0-60 time by that much! Has any other publication tested the 2012 E550? 4.6 seems too good to be true...

I wonder how much 4MATIC would affect things... I'd guess it would make the initial launch quicker but slow down the car as it picked up speed relative to the RWD version but I wonder when that slowdown would happen.

RobbieRob

I agree, it seems off. I'm just writing what they have posted. I figure 4.9-5.0. The rwd, even with the traction control off, hooks pretty dam good. I don't think there would be a big difference off the line(0-30) between the 4matic and rwd.

ESIX3POWER

Dude you're the biggest fraud on these forums. You have zero credibility when it comes to providing any kind of positive or negative feedback concerning the new e class or any car for that matter. You have always been completely BIASED when it comes to the car that you " own " and will deny that which you see with your own eyes when it comes to blindly defending it. You will find arguments for or against any thing just to prove your self right. You ripped the w212 E class to shreds and was salivating over how much better The new BMW " F10 " looked and how the old 211 E has the far better interior and better elegant styling and what not.. You would post photos of the rear of the 212 and how it looks like a Toyota Camry. It was almost like you worked for BMW and were trying to purposely steer buyers away from the Mercedes brand. ( that’s how badly you were against this car ) Now that you have your 212 350, all has changed. I can personally guarantee that if the price was the same you would take the E550 10 out of 10 times over the 350 and you would post write ups about the great acceleration and how awesome it is compared to the 350 and how useful the extra power is and how super comfy the airmatic is,etc,etc,etc… You would actually make a great politician. I'll give you that much.

"I'll say it again, there isn't such a notable difference between the N/A E550 and 268 HP E350. I've driven both, back to back, many many times, and unless I push them in ways I wouldn't in "real life", I'd be hard pressed to notice such a difference"

Well you know what ? Unless I pushed my E63 AMG it drove smooth and comfortably also. What's your point ?? You want to feel the power of a car, Effing obviously you have to push the pedal ?What kind of ridiculous argument is that ? Especially when it comes to Mercedes cars and AMG. Put it in comfort mode and it drives like an ordinary car, very comfy and great for every day driving, but hammer the pedal and you take off like a rocket. A friend of mine has the CLK63 Black Series and when driven normally, ( under 2.5 RPM, not slamming it ) you can use the car as a daily driver.
Also, Did you not notice a difference between the crap suspension of the 350 compared to the 550 ? we didn’t get to hear about that part of your back to back drives of the two cars.

WEBSRFR

I bet the 4.6 time is with a 1 foot roll-out so that's really cheating if that is what they are reporting. I find it hard to believe it is that fast without a roll-out.

Good if it is true though

So the OP's question remains to be answered I think...

In the meantime I return you back to the exciting discussion of whether the engine difference between the E350 and E550 is noticeable...

golfster

Dema, I can't validate the accuracy of the times listed, but the link below provides 0-60 times for most of the major makes and models.

http://www.zeroto60times.com/Mercede...mph-Times.html[/qu

SolidGranite

MBUSA says 5.2sec. MB is always conservative so figure 4.9/5.0 or so.

The coupe comes in at 4.9sec due to less weight and no 4Matic. Shame you can't get the sedan any longer in RWD.

RobbieRob

Yeah WEBSRFR, I don't think there is any way to geta hard number, all the mags are different and post different numbers. I just read about a shootout with the new CLS against the JAG XJ VS the Audi A7. It said the A7 with the 6 in it was posting some crazy numbers(I think like 4.9 to 60), close to the CLS. The A7 is heavier and has 310hp. It depends what magazine likes which brand.... I think that A7 is ugly as hell also..imo

K-A

Unfortunately, you still don't get it.

The E550 has excessive Horsepower for my needs, something that I would rarely, if ever tap into, considering that I have never felt that my E350 has lagged when I've called upon its horses (i.e, I don't drive aggressively enough to *require* the E550 HP).

It's really, really simple. And why would I not take the E550 over the E350 at the same cost? Of course I would, but it doesn't mean that I'd need or use the extra power, that's just not how I drive.

Nobody's putting down your coveted V8, I'm just saying that I don't need it, and with the way that I drive, I barely even notice the extra power is there (giving me almost an equal driving experience with both).

Simple, very, very, simple.

golfster

See track numbers in the video link below:

http://www.insideline.com/mercedes-b...ss_ct_121.html

WEBSRFR

5.3 seconds according to the video. That sounds about right.

Wish it was closer to 5. I think the new BMW V8 is about 5 seconds.

The 126 feet for 0-60 is pathetic for a car with this much HP -- That's about the stopping distance for the monstrous Volvo XC90 SUV. That's also about identical to the W211. Too bad MB did not improve the stopping distance when they redesigned the car. I think Jaguar is around 110 and that extra 16 feet could come in handy on the highway!

Has MB improved the brakes on the 2012 W212 E550?

Busta Riles

I just finished skimming this crazy thread...

I currently have a 2011 E550 4Matic (wife's) and a 2004 E55 AMG (mine). Even though my E55 is an absolute beast and i love mashing the pedal, i find myself wanting to drive her E550 with the "old" 5.5L.

So, we got a 2012 CLS550 4Matic with the new 4.6L on the lot a little while ago & i took it for a spin around the block. The first thing that came to mind when stomping on it was, "No, this car can't be that quick...really?" I've spent the past few weeks trying to figure out why i cannot stop thinking about this new engine. I took the CLS out again just to rid myself of this silliness...and it felt even faster than i remembered it.

I put my E55AMG up for sale today and put my name on a 2012 E550 4Matic. I still can't believe how close in power this new 4.6L is to my AMG. After buying this E55 3 years ago, i thought i was never going to find a car i loved more.

The new engine has to be in the 4.5 second 0-60 range. It is a monster. I can't wait til it gets here!

RobbieRob

That video is so against MB. The w212 E-550 is faster than that. Mb claims 5.1 which is conservative, its probably around 4.9. Like I said before, it depends on which Mag or Site, which brand they like. I would only jump into a new e-550 if it had the same engine specs as the new CL- 429hp, 518tq. Same motor, just de-tuned. That car rock and rolls-(and is heavier) 12.8 1/4 mile. The new e212 with the 4.6 tt is not that much faster then the NA motor. Its still badass though..... Yes Golfster, the brakes are re-done, I am not sure on the specs, but larger diameter.

K-A

A: I didn't take this post into a "new topic", I followed conversation into the new topic, answering posts from a few mad E550 owners who can't grasp the concept that an E350 feels similar to an E550 to a conservative driver who never pushes the E350 enough to find it underpowered (raises hand). B: O/P never came back to follow up on his post (which has been answered). So, I ask, why are you here?

K-A

Follow the timeline from Post #1, guy. You'll see how the subject went where it did.

No trouble to be started. The E550 VS E350 felt the way they did to my driving style. You want to start an "argument" about it? Then question/tell me how I felt about the two cars that I drove back to back (more than one time). Clue: That's how we've gotten to where we are. Best bet, put it to bed. O/P got his answer (if he ever check into the Thread) anyway, so all's well in the world

K-A

Oh, I'm glad I caught this late addition to your Post.

Where the fffff did I say anything "not nice"? LOL. By defending the fact that the E550 left me an impression VS the E350 the way it did, after numerous "mad posts" back to me?

How about you quoting the only post here that can be taken as an actual "personal attack", and heralding it? Pot calling kettle black?

Put it to rest, guy, 'cause I can dance all night.

K-A

Not exactly. I said this, in an O/T ramble from Hyps post:

Perhaps I could have further stressed the *I didn't notice a difference with my driving style, and am sure that most who drive like me will share the same sentiment*, I guess.

Then, a couple of friendly convo's back and forth ensue, when I get "called out" on making an accurate statement (accurate to me, at least). Not an issue, and it's all in good fun, but maybe that'll put the derailing in perspective.

I can point out plenty of negative things said toward what I said, but I don't think I can find a statement made on my behalf that can be seen as negative toward anyone in particular. Unless, of course, you consider telling E550 owners that you don't feel the extra power that their cars have due to the way you drive your cars.

RobbieRob

Yep....