BenzV12

Hi guys,
I love the way W212 E Class looks and I think this is the best looking Benz ever made . I prefer it even over S Class so this is how I like them
I have got 2 rides , 1993 Daimler Six aka Jaguar VDP , pics attached
The other one is 2010 Chevrolet Cruze . Actually, I want to trade these rides for new W212 E Class .
So, what to buy ? Well, I have settled my decision down to E250 CDI 4 MATIC . I wanna drive 4 MATIC , I hate FWD craps lol

I could buy E350 CDI 4 MATIC too ,but being a bigger size engine is gonna set me back a few more grands
So, fuel is not cheap either this is why I am buying a diesel engine and one more thing I notice that E Class registers 59 liters only , this is too small for a car of this size no matter how economical it is considering Chevrolet Cruze comes with 60 liters gas tank .
Well, I looked at the some car mags and some E Class seems to have 80 liters , I dunno why there is a difference like this . If I have a choice I am definitely going for 80 liters .59 liters is wayy small
You may be wondering where I am from , I currently live in Turkey and maybe I live in a different country in the future ,let's see

I read almost all the threads in this W212 Forums , it's the 1st ever time I am doing such a thing , normally I do a search and that's it lol

My preferences :

Black / Black

4 MATIC

4 spoke steering wheel

Elegance package
P2 package
Coloumn shifter , I am used to it since I also drive Cadillac Fleetwood
No big wheels , comfort level is must-have for me


I think that's enough for now ,happy driving

Tjdehya

Its funny that they offer different size gas tanks in your area, you would think that it would just make more sense to just make them all the same.
Why go 4matic over rwd? 4matic is not really needed in Turkey.

CEB

You have to be very careful when comparing specs in different countries as the legal requirements can make the specs quite different.

The use of a Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) may, or may not, be mandated in your country and the urea injection that is required in some countries may also require physical changes to capacities.

You need to check with your local dealer about the specs in Turkey.

hyperion667

sounds like a nice ride, and I like the Jaguar too.....
too bad you are letting it go huh?
the cls has an even bigger gas tank I think.....
but you're spot on with the 80 l in the E....
I really like them too.......it's one reason I have two, haha.....

stay well and throw some pix up when you can, we all ove the pix!

K-A

Good taste and choice! Crazy how that Jaguar is a Daimler in your area.... wtf?

BTW, how do you like that Cruze? How is it in long distance driving (comfort, quietness, solidity, etc.)? I was thinking of getting one as a commuter but am afraid it'd be too small for my liking.

YYZ-E55

Many manufacturers (including MB) install a smaller tank on certain euro cars as they are mandated to certify the vehicle with the fuel tank full. As weight impacts fuel economy and emissions, lighter is better.

Code 915 is the larger (80L) tank and should be available on the 250CDI.

CEB

Daimler has always been the upscale brother of Jaguar, kind of like Ford and Mercury were in the last years of Mercury. Daimlers were distinguished by a slighly different grill surround and upscale interior trim. In countries where only Jaguar was sold, the Daimler version was sold as the Jaguar VdP (Vanden Plas.) Vanden Plas was a coachbuilder who ofter provided upscale touches to British manufacturers.

Whereas the Jaguar in the mid 80's was sold as XJ12-HE (high efficiency V-12) the Daimler variant was called the Double Six and had a higher standard of trim but was technically identical to the Jag. I actually owned two factory modified Jags. One was a XJ12-HE VdP with a Daimler grill and trunk trim and the other was a XJ-S V12-HE coupe with a factory installed rear parcel shelf replacing the (useless) rear seat. The Jag/Daimler was a factory error.

The Jaguar Daimler has a very vague relationship to Daimler Benz dating to the 1800's and is the reason for the name "Mercedes." IIRC, the last German "Daimler" was sold prior to WW I.

El Cid

Prior to the Mercedes brand, Daimler sold engines to a company in the UK that sold the finished cars as Daimlers - and still do I guess. However, no connection to Daimler-Benz of today.

Mercedes was created as name for Daimler-Benz products since they could not use Daimler in UK and maybe even some other countries. Mercedes was the daughter of a distrbutor (Austrian, but doing business in Monaco/Italy or similar). Promised to purchase X number of cars if they named it after his daughter.

BenzV12

Thanks everyone for your valuable inputs

So, I may not really need 4 MATIC but I know it feels safer and namely on wet roads you should be having a better grip when going over puddle of waters .Of course main factors are speed and tires to avoid hydroplaning . I drove AWD SUV and it was very fun

hyperion, I may not find a Jag like this but since I wanna buy W212 then there is no logic keeping it in the garage . I don't need a 3rd car .So, this is my dream Jag too , but I wanna go for W212 and this is how I like the Mercedes Benz . Thank you for your messages in the topics


K-A , I read your messages, thanks for your replies at earlier threads . How is like Cruze ? Money / price wise this is really one of the most suitable cars for you to buy . Steering is tight but that doesn't mean it's hard when parking , parking sensors work flawlessly . I like the way it feels so to say .
Brakes are great , stopping distance is better than I expected .
Quiet ? On rough surfaces you hear some noises but no wind noise at all . Engine is quiet but sometimes when backing up in the garage it feels like I am driving a diesel engine rather than gasoline lol
The car feels sluggish but mine is automatic and 0-100 km/h takes 13 secs , I think you should go for 1.4 liter turbo . This car should have come with more powerful engine .
Comfort level , seats are firm and not as soft as a BMW 3 Series .In long distances it doesn't hurt your butt nor back lol . However, seats are not the most powerful area of this vehicle .Sometimes they squeak too, I contribute this problem to the seat frames .
Doors feel heavy for a car of this size , door closing sound is not cheap either .
Auto wipers , auto headlights , 3.5 mm socket ,all express touch windows and A/C and rest of gadgetry are great .
One thing I dislike is it's the way horn sounds , I hate it .
It's a bit small car namely rear seats it's not larger than that of C Class . Front seats can be adjusted to your comfort seetings .
When I floor it , it's lightly making torque steering but not as much as I experienced at FWD crapstar engines . Otherwise I would not drive this car as my daily ride .


Thanks YYZ , El Cid and CEB for your explanations

Now , today I did a few phone calls with the dealers . None of them have the exact vehicle thay I exactly want , you should not ask too much

They have Avantgarde package at their inventory and next coming up cars in their list dones't match what I asked . Either way if I order it , it will be available by 3 months
So, my plan is , If I pull the trigger for it replacing Mercedes with another Mercedes Benz every 2 years . Therefore I will be able keep my car to date and w/o losing too much money

El Cid

I ordered mine in Oct. 2009 and took delivery six weeks later. This was a car made in Sindelfingen, not one at a port. Of course, things may be different now.
My only noise complaint is that on rougher roads, a pretty good bit of tire noise gets into the cabin from the front tires.

K-A

Good history info on this Thread! Thanks for the Cruze write-up, BenzV12. Sounds like a quality car and a good value.

BenzV12

Anytime , I forgot to mention some plastic parts used in lower the door panels are not as quality as you could expect .
Trunk is large larger than that of Jag and you can fold the rear seats too

BTW, back to the W212 fuel tank mystery , they told me that 80 liter fuel tank was optional , 59+8 liters were standard on E250 CDI

CEB

Ordering a car for US delivery is very different from ordering one for delivery in Turkey.

dbtk

I had a gray market Jaguar VDP V12 Series III once. Great riding car. One of only two Jaguar models penned by Pininfarina. It had a beautiful interior with gorgeous wood and lambswool carpeting.

dbtk

Some more of the interior...I wish Mercedes made interiors as elegant as this.

BenzV12

Thanks for the pics, that was a nice Jag indeed . I dislike newer models

So, this is my fave interior and rest assure that W212 has a nicer interior than all the Jags , this is my humble opinion but you can see more wood in E Class than that of your Series III .
Besides that I think this is the finest interior ever made by any car manufacturers . I like W212 interior over W221 too

Avantgarde models come with piano black , they look cool too . Still, burl walnut is winner for me

hyperion667

I agree with disliking the newer model Jaguars: the reason I'm not driving one of those instead

CEB

Lovely, lovely car. I had the same in metallic blue over Isis Blue. I owned the car for 9 years with very few problems.

Jag lost their way in the early 90's but gained ground again when they went back to their traditional designs.

dfordham

In the photo that shows the glove box, notice how the grain is perfectly matched to the surrounding dashboard. Clearly hand-crafted from a single sheet of veneer. Outstanding!

Regards,
Don

dbtk

Thanks all for the nice compliments. Yes, the Series III was one of the last great Jag sedans. I also like the wood on my 600. It was not as dramatic as the Jag but still has beautiful graining and visual impact.

CedarZ4

I don't know... the XF (especially the facelift 2012 ones) I think are pretty sweet... VERY aggressive and impressive bang for the buck (even better than Merc, if we're just talking specs/options)

Coming from someone with a 550 and 63 (if I'm not mistaken? I follow like 5 different MB forums and can't keep track of everything ) I'd imagine you'd want something more sporty and aggressive than the W212.

K-A

The E63 is about as sporty and aggressive as it gets, for this size of car at least.

CedarZ4

Well, the 63 is on a whole different price bracket as your typical 350/550 anyway. 63 would pair better against the XF-R (but I don't think that have a 2012 model yet) and I believe are cross-shopped considering they're both mid-size luxury "performance" vehicles. I dig the E63, this is a W212 forum after all, I'm just saying the XF while not what Jaguar was known for 30 years ago when it was pure elegance, TaTa did a pretty good job with that lineup.

K-A

Personally, I think the XF and W212 would be a nice lineup to have. However, I find the W212 looks more aggressive and far more commanding than the XF, while the XF looks more athletic and more elegant, hence why IMO they'd compliment each other well.

BTW, Tata had nothing to do with the XF, it was purely under Fords ownership when in its entire developmental/designing/engineering phase.

CedarZ4

Oh, was not aware of that. Regardless, I think Tata is doing a relatively good job in bringing the Jag name back into play. They disappeared for a good 10 years with it's very outdated looking cars.

What ever happened to Range Rovers I feel like after Tata took over you don't hear about them as much anymore. But, I guess that's another topic for another forum