New Lexus GS?
Super Member
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 967
Likes: 39
From: PA
18'Porsche GT3, 16' Ram 3500 mega diesel,30' Model A Ratrod, 17' E43
The 550 would be a great daily driver. Its very smooth and docile, but when you hit the throttle to the floor,, all Hell breaks loose..lol I have the older 5.5 motor, so I can't speak about the new 4.6 Twin Turbo. I'm sure its fine.
Senior Member
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 389
Likes: 4
2002 E430
I'm a long time member on clublexus and mbworld and it's funny seeing people on CL praise the new GS and exact opposite on mbworld. Anyways I thought it was a hyundai or kia from the back when I first saw it. I'm pretty sure it's a 'nice' sedan but I wouln't buy one. I personally had 4 lexus vehicles and experience with them weren't too good. Only lexus I like is the SC model. Drop a 2jz-gte in it and you're in the game.
Out Of Control!!
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 10,557
Likes: 24
From: Earth
Porsche Macan S SportDesign / Ex M-B's: 11 & 10 & 06 E350's, 02 S500
Was at a Lexus Dealer today getting some Warranty work done to the Mom's car. Damn, talk about a passionless, aesthetically unpleasing, bore DOME. I always like taking my M-B in so I can see the other Benzes about me. Not the same feeling here.
The new GS was on display, walked toward it, got the gist, got bored, walked away.
The new GS was on display, walked toward it, got the gist, got bored, walked away.
MBWorld God!
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 31,274
Likes: 3,916
From: on my way
2012 CLS63
I was playing with a guy in an acura wagon tonight(2012), it was quick too.....
I was in my amg, so he had no chance, but I signaled him into a gas station once we got off the highway
to tell him his car looked good, it was black and blacked out, lowered with some sort of AM wheels.....but it did look good.....
he said it was a 4 cylinder, and then started asking me about my car.......
but I did think the look was okay......and better than lexus
I was in my amg, so he had no chance, but I signaled him into a gas station once we got off the highway
to tell him his car looked good, it was black and blacked out, lowered with some sort of AM wheels.....but it did look good.....
he said it was a 4 cylinder, and then started asking me about my car.......
but I did think the look was okay......and better than lexus
MB World Stories
The Best of Mercedes & AMG
Manual Mercedes? 6 Times Sindelfingen Let Drivers Have All The Fun
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes SLR McLaren 722 S Is Extremely Rare Example Modified by McLaren
Verdad Gallardo
8 Classic Boxy Mercedes Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine
Verdad Gallardo
Flawlessly Restored Mercedes 190E Evo II Heads to Auction
Verdad Gallardo
Electric Mercedes C-Class Unveiled: 11 Things You Need to Know
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes EQS Gets A Major Update: Everything You Need to Know
Verdad Gallardo
5 Underrated Mercedes-Benz Models That Don't Get the Love They Deserve
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes 300D Has Pushed Well Past 1 Million Miles and It Ain't Stopping
Verdad Gallardo
10 Most Reliable Mercedes-Benz Models You Can Buy Used
Verdad Gallardo
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 2,616
Likes: 160
From: Southeastern USA
2010 E350 Luxury Sedan, Engine 272 (V6)
Confused
You can take the tin foil hat off.
The ES is a painfully dull and disconnected ride. The steering wobbles, last night in the rain I had to do 40 on the Highway (yes, 40), 'cause I was terrified at how some puddles would "take the car". The interior feels passionless and relatively cheap, no lit glows at night around the dash and door areas so it's a pretty dark environment for a Luxury Car, the buttons and switches and overall feel is fairly flimsy and non substantial, the fit and finish isn't very impressive. The seating position is awful for someone of my height (6'4), as I can't get too "into the car", my head is sticking in the Pano roof opening, and the windshield is mostly under my line of sight. The styling is painfully dull and un-sexy and "Granny intended" that I kind of have to look over my shoulders to hope no one I know sees me in it (maybe I'm too vain when it comes to cars). I'm just not impressed with it.
However, it's smooth as butter, glides over bumps, and if you don't give a damn about the emotional aspects of car ownership or a connection with your car, and aren't too tall, it's a great driver, sure. And hey, passion and aesthetic are subjective to the person at hand, so some could certainly feel passion from it I guess (I just couldn't comprehend it).
The ES is a painfully dull and disconnected ride. The steering wobbles, last night in the rain I had to do 40 on the Highway (yes, 40), 'cause I was terrified at how some puddles would "take the car". The interior feels passionless and relatively cheap, no lit glows at night around the dash and door areas so it's a pretty dark environment for a Luxury Car, the buttons and switches and overall feel is fairly flimsy and non substantial, the fit and finish isn't very impressive. The seating position is awful for someone of my height (6'4), as I can't get too "into the car", my head is sticking in the Pano roof opening, and the windshield is mostly under my line of sight. The styling is painfully dull and un-sexy and "Granny intended" that I kind of have to look over my shoulders to hope no one I know sees me in it (maybe I'm too vain when it comes to cars). I'm just not impressed with it.
However, it's smooth as butter, glides over bumps, and if you don't give a damn about the emotional aspects of car ownership or a connection with your car, and aren't too tall, it's a great driver, sure. And hey, passion and aesthetic are subjective to the person at hand, so some could certainly feel passion from it I guess (I just couldn't comprehend it).
BTW, JD Powers (for what it is worth) reports Lexus in #1 in long term reliability.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,747
Likes: 20
From: Central Pennsylvania
2012 S350 Bluetec 4Matic, Diamond White, P2
The issues described above about the ES hydroplaning in the rain and not being able to be driven above 40 mph is related to the tires....not the vehicle. As the OEM tires that came on my E wore down, they also were very unsecured in the rain. Once you no longer feel secure driving in the rain due to excess hydroplaning, it is time to get new or different tires. Like it or not, Lexus makes a fine vehicle. And, for the American market, they cater mostly to the folks that subscribe to the long time reputation of Japanese reliability. I have always admired the Lexus interiors, but, other than the SCs, they just don't have a design that would make me take that one last look before turning off the garage light.
Last edited by ImInPA; Feb 16, 2012 at 05:11 PM.
Out Of Control!!
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 10,557
Likes: 24
From: Earth
Porsche Macan S SportDesign / Ex M-B's: 11 & 10 & 06 E350's, 02 S500
Lexus has always been #1 in reliability, no question there. What I don't like is the tactile feel of quality on their cars (even up to the LS when comparing to the M-B counterpart), flimsier sounding parts and doors, "lighter" feeling buttons that seem to wear down faster, chintzier materials here and there (less substantial than what you will find in most good German interiors).
The hydroplaning is indeed because 2 of the front tires are getting near replacement time (backs are new), but the cars steering and handling is SO wobbly and insecure, I find myself driving very cautiously as you don't have a feeling of utmost control behind the wheel.
Member
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 195
Likes: 6
S550
Out Of Control!!
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 10,557
Likes: 24
From: Earth
Porsche Macan S SportDesign / Ex M-B's: 11 & 10 & 06 E350's, 02 S500
Yawwwwn. Lexus's design language is just unappealing to me in so many passionate-related ways.
Out Of Control!!
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 10,557
Likes: 24
From: Earth
Porsche Macan S SportDesign / Ex M-B's: 11 & 10 & 06 E350's, 02 S500
A new GS in black was parked in front of the '07 ES I was driving tonight, and upon first view, I naturally figured "Another painfully boring Lexus.... wait, that front grille looks like it's fussily trying to hard.... but.... can't.... help.... the.... blistering.... boredom....", and realized just what it was.
The presence of it on the roads, especially with the car actually off, so the LED gimmicks don't try and overcompensate for the design, is nil. I'd say it's a good thing, as the clientele probably wants something simple and elegant, but damn! That trying-too-hard-face just is at odds with it otherwise. The ES I was driving looked even sleeker behind it.
The greenhouse and side profile of it are very reminiscent of the current LS, IMO.
The presence of it on the roads, especially with the car actually off, so the LED gimmicks don't try and overcompensate for the design, is nil. I'd say it's a good thing, as the clientele probably wants something simple and elegant, but damn! That trying-too-hard-face just is at odds with it otherwise. The ES I was driving looked even sleeker behind it.
The greenhouse and side profile of it are very reminiscent of the current LS, IMO.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 2,616
Likes: 160
From: Southeastern USA
2010 E350 Luxury Sedan, Engine 272 (V6)
The ES has a lot of Toyota Camry in it. Lot of Lexus owners don't even view it as a "real" Lexus.
BTW, I have been told that front wheel drive cars are more prone to hydroplaning. Had a Saab 900 Turbo and it hydroplaned fairly bad on wet roads.
BTW, I have been told that front wheel drive cars are more prone to hydroplaning. Had a Saab 900 Turbo and it hydroplaned fairly bad on wet roads.
Out Of Control!!
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 10,557
Likes: 24
From: Earth
Porsche Macan S SportDesign / Ex M-B's: 11 & 10 & 06 E350's, 02 S500
Yeah, just realized that, when a Member here said an ES isn't a "real Lexus".
To me, and to most, I feel that the ES is the quintessential Lexus, at least in the fact that it's the volume-selling leader. I'm not a fan of the ES in the least, but I will say they did a good job of visually differentiating it with the Camry. It's hard to see a relation, aside from obvious Toyota bloodline. I actually might even like the Camry design more, it's stronger looking.
In reality, "a real Lexus" is kind of an oxymoron. Lexus' are really Toyota's anyway.... and that's not even meant as a jab to the brand, it's fact.
To me, and to most, I feel that the ES is the quintessential Lexus, at least in the fact that it's the volume-selling leader. I'm not a fan of the ES in the least, but I will say they did a good job of visually differentiating it with the Camry. It's hard to see a relation, aside from obvious Toyota bloodline. I actually might even like the Camry design more, it's stronger looking.
In reality, "a real Lexus" is kind of an oxymoron. Lexus' are really Toyota's anyway.... and that's not even meant as a jab to the brand, it's fact.
Out Of Control!!
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 10,557
Likes: 24
From: Earth
Porsche Macan S SportDesign / Ex M-B's: 11 & 10 & 06 E350's, 02 S500
Totally agreed. I saw a GS driving and quicly thought when it passed me that it was an Optima with the Optional LED taillights.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,139
Likes: 41
Tesla Model S P100D
Oh my god. I just went through this thread and so many childish comments... I wish I could turn off comments by a certain member so I'll never see them.
It's unbelievable how some can't have a rational and respectable discussion about another non-MB car. I am not into the GS styling but I think the specs are VERY impressive. The acceleration and breaking is phenomenal. If you were on an interstate doing 80 and had to slam on the breaks, you'd be so much better off in a GS and that's pretty pathetic with all the technology MB has access to and they've barely made the 60-0 times better from the W211.
I love my 550 but for someone considering the E350 and really wants more acceleration/power and TECH the GS is I think a great choice if you can stomach the exterior styling...
It's unbelievable how some can't have a rational and respectable discussion about another non-MB car. I am not into the GS styling but I think the specs are VERY impressive. The acceleration and breaking is phenomenal. If you were on an interstate doing 80 and had to slam on the breaks, you'd be so much better off in a GS and that's pretty pathetic with all the technology MB has access to and they've barely made the 60-0 times better from the W211.
I love my 550 but for someone considering the E350 and really wants more acceleration/power and TECH the GS is I think a great choice if you can stomach the exterior styling...
Super Member
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 600
Likes: 8
From: San Francisco, CA
16 GLE400, 16 eGolf, 15 M3, 13 328i, 06 S430, 98 E320
just test drove one today and boy it's pretty nice especially the sound when you gas it..handling at the sport + mode is firm and predictable and way better than the 01 GS430 I had...i am impressed but i still prefer my W212...
