Any High Mileage W212's Out There?
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From: Houston, Texas
2012 & 2014 E350 Sports, 2017 E43
For a cheaper fix, get it repaired. My understanding is no coding is required and is plug and play after repair (you may have to clear codes) For new unit you will need coding and for used unit it will require first to virginize it and the then do SCN coding. Here is link to a repair service. Ask question, before you send your unit. Best of luck and keep us posted.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/154633686868
https://www.ebay.com/itm/154633686868
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From: San Antonio TX
2011 e63 AMG
For a cheaper fix, get it repaired. My understanding is no coding is required and is plug and play after repair (you may have to clear codes) For new unit you will need coding and for used unit it will require first to virginize it and the then do SCN coding. Here is link to a repair service. Ask question, before you send your unit. Best of luck and keep us posted.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/154633686868
https://www.ebay.com/itm/154633686868
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From: Houston, Texas
2012 & 2014 E350 Sports, 2017 E43
Contact them thru eBay for first hand information. Here is another vendor
https://www.ebay.com/itm/37437692421...3ABFBMmNivjcdh
https://www.ebay.com/itm/37437692421...3ABFBMmNivjcdh
Last edited by a4ncar; Feb 9, 2023 at 08:01 PM.
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From: San Antonio TX
2011 e63 AMG
I just went ahead and ordered a new ISM today. It’s kinda weird though. Everybody says, and everything I read says, that it’s a theft resistant part so you can’t just buy it…however my local dealer had no issues selling me one and explicitly telling me that a third party shop can install it. It’ll be here on Saturday so I will keep everyone updated.
Contact them thru eBay for first hand information. Here is another vendor
https://www.ebay.com/itm/37437692421...3ABFBMmNivjcdh
https://www.ebay.com/itm/37437692421...3ABFBMmNivjcdh
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From: San Antonio TX
2011 e63 AMG
I just went ahead and ordered a new ISM today. It’s kinda weird though. Everybody says, and everything I read says, that it’s a theft resistant part so you can’t just buy it…however my local dealer had no issues selling me one and explicitly telling me that a third party shop can install it. It’ll be here on Saturday so I will keep everyone updated.
I was able to successfully obtain the new replacement ISM directly from my local San Antonio Merc Dealership. So far, so good. I took the part to the shop that had my car and they installed it the next day. This is where the fun begins. They realized that they could not successfully code the new ISM to my car. The shop happens to have a partner who does programming that they can’t handle, as the shop my car is at has an AutoLogic system, which apparently cannot code ISMs.
I get my car towed to this new shop and they begin the process to code the new ISM to the car. “Houston - we have a problem” - apparently whatever system they use does not have the correct data file for my car to code it, so they have to download the correct file from a remote server (does anybody know what kinda system this could be?). This was on Friday. Well today they tell me they got the file, but they’re saying Mercedes gave me the wrong ISM. They’re saying it should have been a 722.7 model and not the 722.9 that they gave me. This is not correct as 722.9 IS in fact the correct part. It’s been such a ridiculous back and forth. I should have just got it all done at the dealership to begin with instead of trying to save a few hundred bucks. Does anybody here have any insight into what I should do next? Possibly what system these guys are using? How to get the ISM to pair with my car? I’m at my wits end here. I just want my AMG back!
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12' E559
150k on my 550. besides normal maintaince (belt, pulley, plugs, coils, fluids etc) the only other stuff that failed is the radiator, front driveshaft and some of the coolant lines for the turbos.
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W212 E350 CDI Sport
My E350 CDI is on 176k miles... hoping to keep it for a while as long as the subframe doesn't turn into dust...
Just changed all the front control/suspension arms, but not the strut and spring, had a remap, lots of maintenance.
Just changed all the front control/suspension arms, but not the strut and spring, had a remap, lots of maintenance.
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From: San Francisco
2011 E350 4MATIC Estate Wagon
MB Tex in the 212 series is inferior!
New Vinyl is cheap!
I have had Leather seating in my previous 2 E wagons (‘94 E124 & ‘01 E210). With conditioning & cleaning annually, those 2 sets of leather seats stayed as new, & were major selling points for new buyers.
And, my ‘91 300CE had excellent Java-colored leather; again with proper cleaning & conditioning over 12 years, the leather was near showroom condition.
Now, as of 2020, I’ve downsized to an ‘pre-owned, MB dealer bought ‘11 EWagon which, unfortunately, has the cheap vinyl (which is inferior to the earlier “MB Tex” qualities of the ‘90’s & early 2000’s).
I had to have the driver seat bottom replaced because of the all too common W212 seam splitting; I ordered OEM piece at best local upholstery shop at a cost of $400 installed. On top of the repaired seat, I placed a set of custom Ultimate Sheepskins on both front seats. That was an additional $600.
if you can, just avoid MBTEX.
I have had Leather seating in my previous 2 E wagons (‘94 E124 & ‘01 E210). With conditioning & cleaning annually, those 2 sets of leather seats stayed as new, & were major selling points for new buyers.
And, my ‘91 300CE had excellent Java-colored leather; again with proper cleaning & conditioning over 12 years, the leather was near showroom condition.
Now, as of 2020, I’ve downsized to an ‘pre-owned, MB dealer bought ‘11 EWagon which, unfortunately, has the cheap vinyl (which is inferior to the earlier “MB Tex” qualities of the ‘90’s & early 2000’s).
I had to have the driver seat bottom replaced because of the all too common W212 seam splitting; I ordered OEM piece at best local upholstery shop at a cost of $400 installed. On top of the repaired seat, I placed a set of custom Ultimate Sheepskins on both front seats. That was an additional $600.
if you can, just avoid MBTEX.
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From: San Francisco
2011 E350 4MATIC Estate Wagon
High Mileage 212’s
New Vinyl is cheap!
I have had Leather seating in my previous 2 E wagons (‘94 E124 & ‘01 E210). With conditioning & cleaning annually, those 2 sets of leather seats stayed as new, & were major selling points for new buyers.
And, my ‘91 300CE had excellent Java-colored leather; again with proper cleaning & conditioning over 12 years, the leather was near showroom condition.
Now, as of 2020, I’ve downsized to an ‘pre-owned, MB dealer bought ‘11 EWagon which, unfortunately, has the cheap vinyl (which is inferior to the earlier “MB Tex” qualities of the ‘90’s & early 2000’s).
I submit, based on my experience, that “High Mileage” 212’s applies to ANY 212 @ 100K due to lower build standards at MB.
At 102K purchase in 2020 of my ‘11 EWagon,
I had to have the driver seat bottom replaced because of the all too common W212 seam splitting; & I ordered OEM piece at best local upholstery shop at a cost of $400 installed. On top of the repaired seat, I placed a set of custom Ultimate Sheepskins on both front seats. That was an additional $600.
if you can, just avoid MBTEX.
I have had Leather seating in my previous 2 E wagons (‘94 E124 & ‘01 E210). With conditioning & cleaning annually, those 2 sets of leather seats stayed as new, & were major selling points for new buyers.
And, my ‘91 300CE had excellent Java-colored leather; again with proper cleaning & conditioning over 12 years, the leather was near showroom condition.
Now, as of 2020, I’ve downsized to an ‘pre-owned, MB dealer bought ‘11 EWagon which, unfortunately, has the cheap vinyl (which is inferior to the earlier “MB Tex” qualities of the ‘90’s & early 2000’s).
I submit, based on my experience, that “High Mileage” 212’s applies to ANY 212 @ 100K due to lower build standards at MB.
At 102K purchase in 2020 of my ‘11 EWagon,
I had to have the driver seat bottom replaced because of the all too common W212 seam splitting; & I ordered OEM piece at best local upholstery shop at a cost of $400 installed. On top of the repaired seat, I placed a set of custom Ultimate Sheepskins on both front seats. That was an additional $600.
if you can, just avoid MBTEX.
My 2011 E Wagon was bought at Bay Area MB Dealer in Santa Rosa in 2020 @ 102K original owner miles. For me, that was high mileage in a pre-owned, & in 27 months of ownership, this EWagon is at 120,700 miles.
SHOCKS:
I replaced the shocks at purchase, although both my Independent Benz Shop Manager & Local MB Dealer Service Rep said it wasn’t necessary, but they were BOTH wrong, as the difference was night & day with the ride & handling much improved.
FADED WOOD
The faded wood trim was quite evident at purchase @ 102K. I couldn’t live with that, after the perfect wood of my 124E Wagon of ‘94 & ‘91 300CE & ‘01 E210 Wagon.
Only the 212 had shabby,wood which I researched & discovered here at MBWorld that thr factory folks FORGOT to add Sunscreen to the Varnish, resulting in unsightly faded wood!
NEW MB COVERAGE OF FADED WOOD
MB is now legally bound to pay for wood trim replacement on 212’s, as is becoming common knowledge in legal settlement while not accepting
blame for this irritating situation. It’s a pro-rated situation which you can review by searching “faded wood trim legal case against MB.”
Last edited by Jack McCarty; Mar 2, 2023 at 02:45 PM.
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2019 Mercedes E53 AMG
I feel… old?
I see a lot of people in the “high mileage” thread with 80-120k on their cars… I feel like the senior here, my ‘14 E350 is at 206k. I bought it at 186k in 08/21, and have since added 20k miles. 20k miles in 6mo is pretty hefty but I have a 100mi round trip 5 days a week.
so far not really any issues except for a faulty alternator voltage regulator, which just recently reared it’s head and which I’ll be replacing in a week or so when the part arrives.
so far not really any issues except for a faulty alternator voltage regulator, which just recently reared it’s head and which I’ll be replacing in a week or so when the part arrives.
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W212 M276 DELA 30 ; W211 M113k, W126 M117, W126 OM617, W211 OM642 ; R107 M117 X2, Sierra 1500 LZ0
New Vinyl is cheap!
I have had Leather seating in my previous 2 E wagons (‘94 E124 & ‘01 E210). With conditioning & cleaning annually, those 2 sets of leather seats stayed as new, & were major selling points for new buyers.
And, my ‘91 300CE had excellent Java-colored leather; again with proper cleaning & conditioning over 12 years, the leather was near showroom condition.
Now, as of 2020, I’ve downsized to an ‘pre-owned, MB dealer bought ‘11 EWagon which, unfortunately, has the cheap vinyl (which is inferior to the earlier “MB Tex” qualities of the ‘90’s & early 2000’s).
I had to have the driver seat bottom replaced because of the all too common W212 seam splitting; I ordered OEM piece at best local upholstery shop at a cost of $400 installed. On top of the repaired seat, I placed a set of custom Ultimate Sheepskins on both front seats. That was an additional $600.
if you can, just avoid MBTEX.
I have had Leather seating in my previous 2 E wagons (‘94 E124 & ‘01 E210). With conditioning & cleaning annually, those 2 sets of leather seats stayed as new, & were major selling points for new buyers.
And, my ‘91 300CE had excellent Java-colored leather; again with proper cleaning & conditioning over 12 years, the leather was near showroom condition.
Now, as of 2020, I’ve downsized to an ‘pre-owned, MB dealer bought ‘11 EWagon which, unfortunately, has the cheap vinyl (which is inferior to the earlier “MB Tex” qualities of the ‘90’s & early 2000’s).
I had to have the driver seat bottom replaced because of the all too common W212 seam splitting; I ordered OEM piece at best local upholstery shop at a cost of $400 installed. On top of the repaired seat, I placed a set of custom Ultimate Sheepskins on both front seats. That was an additional $600.
if you can, just avoid MBTEX.
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2019 Mercedes E53 AMG
I'm honestly shocked that my seats haven't ripped, I have the MB Tex but I have not a single tear in my seats, again at the aforementioned 206k miles. In fact the interior and exterior of the car are utterly spotless, honestly, except for a fair amount of curb-rashing on the wheels courtesy of the lady who owned it before me, some faded walnut wood trim, and a little tiny spot of wear on the center console from someone's pointy elbow and the sunlight along the way.
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From: Calverton MD 20705
2013 W212 E350 RWD
I'm honestly shocked that my seats haven't ripped, I have the MB Tex but I have not a single tear in my seats, again at the aforementioned 206k miles. In fact the interior and exterior of the car are utterly spotless, honestly, except for a fair amount of curb-rashing on the wheels courtesy of the lady who owned it before me, some faded walnut wood trim, and a little tiny spot of wear on the center console from someone's pointy elbow and the sunlight along the way.
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From: bay area, CA
2011 e350 bluetec, 2016 gl350
Adding to old thread:
2011 bluetec at 158k miles. original owner. Oil cooler, main seal Leaks covered by warranty. Brake at 100k, mounts. Suspension replaced at 120k after many heavy loads, and many airborne glide on freeway hump. Driver seat ripped , very easy to replace the bottom cover. Diesel recall fix done at 135k, and one exhaust differential pressure sensor. Oil housing and belt/pulley at 145k. Still drive close to new. A great long distance cruiser.
2011 bluetec at 158k miles. original owner. Oil cooler, main seal Leaks covered by warranty. Brake at 100k, mounts. Suspension replaced at 120k after many heavy loads, and many airborne glide on freeway hump. Driver seat ripped , very easy to replace the bottom cover. Diesel recall fix done at 135k, and one exhaust differential pressure sensor. Oil housing and belt/pulley at 145k. Still drive close to new. A great long distance cruiser.
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Sure they can get to higher miles.
Of course you can. MB E diesels are the taxi in Europe and in many other parts of the world. Any modern car is built to go 200k miles before big issues start cropping up.
With any modern car, the electrics are the weakest link, so be careful with any electrical mods. Other than that, 200k is nothing for a Mercedes.
Given the average US driver drives less than 15k miles per year, that 200k is about 13 years of driving - two years over the average age of cars on the road in the US today. To get a proper answer to this question you either need to wait 5 or 6 years and ask again or ask in the forum that caters to the 2002 models.
With any modern car, the electrics are the weakest link, so be careful with any electrical mods. Other than that, 200k is nothing for a Mercedes.
Given the average US driver drives less than 15k miles per year, that 200k is about 13 years of driving - two years over the average age of cars on the road in the US today. To get a proper answer to this question you either need to wait 5 or 6 years and ask again or ask in the forum that caters to the 2002 models.
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Since my previous replies 5 years ago, I am on my 2nd W212 I4 Bluetec.
Sold the 1st one with about 180k and this one is closing on 160k.
When I drive it only about 6000 miles a year, I did almost nothing in 5 years of ownership.
Out of boredom replaced Motor Mounts and sway bar links last year.
Both Bluetecs brought me $3600 checks (each) for participating in AEM aka Bluetec settlement.
Sold the 1st one with about 180k and this one is closing on 160k.
When I drive it only about 6000 miles a year, I did almost nothing in 5 years of ownership.
Out of boredom replaced Motor Mounts and sway bar links last year.
Both Bluetecs brought me $3600 checks (each) for participating in AEM aka Bluetec settlement.
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2016 E350
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Had: 1987 300TD, Had: 2004 C230 Sport Sedan, Have: 2014 E350 Sport, Have: 2019 S450
Wife’s ‘14 E350 has 146k miles.
The car still looks and drives like new.
Other than normal wear items (lubricants, filters, plugs, brakes, shocks/struts), the only failures have been 5 ignition coils and a rear subframe bushing (fluid-filled, started leaking).
The car still looks and drives like new.
Other than normal wear items (lubricants, filters, plugs, brakes, shocks/struts), the only failures have been 5 ignition coils and a rear subframe bushing (fluid-filled, started leaking).
