2016 COMAND NTG 5s1 (5.1) RETROFIT from NGT4
#326
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huh, i went there, and found this...
E-Class Saloon (01.2015 - 02.2016)
How to update.
Select a file from the list below to download. All files should already be compatible to your selected vehicle, but be mindful of the description nonetheless. Also, please follow the instructions contained in the update package precisely. The downloads are separated into two categories: updates for the radio of your car and updates for other devices, please select a file accordingly.
Update_SAP_V4_DE_EN.zip
Update for the SAP module with Bluetooth ™SAP. Improves mainly the stability, functionality and audio performance.
Download
and the linked .zip file has the attached PDF in it along with a binary update file.
Download
#327
you need 1) ensure the 'flashware' (firmware) is the latest, *AND* 2) install an 'activator' from a 3rd party such as Vladimir on ebay. the activator won't work without the latest flashware. if you forward your VIN to vladimir he can tell you if you have the correct firmware, there's 3 separate modules that need to be flashed, on my late production MY 2016, only 1 was correct, the other two still needed updates.
the buzzword to get the dealer to update the flashware is to report you are having issues with reliable bluetooth connectivity, that sometimes it works, but sometimes it doesn't and there's no discernable pattern. Don't even mention CarPlay to Mercedes, they do not support that feature on this model year car. expect to pay up to an hours labor for the flashware upgrade.
the buzzword to get the dealer to update the flashware is to report you are having issues with reliable bluetooth connectivity, that sometimes it works, but sometimes it doesn't and there's no discernable pattern. Don't even mention CarPlay to Mercedes, they do not support that feature on this model year car. expect to pay up to an hours labor for the flashware upgrade.
So firmware not be updated is logical?
#328
Anybody fix this? Media from USB/memory card not shown on Cluster
[QUOTE=Vytautas Pocius;8202847]Im having same problem please help! And need a code of that button
Anybody fix this? Media from USB/memory card not shown on Cluster
Anybody fix this? Media from USB/memory card not shown on Cluster
#330
#332
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and the best part is, you have a combination of parts that Mercedes never made, so whomever codes that, will need to /really/ understand how it all works, as there's no recipe in Mercedes codebooks.
#333
Hey Chris I hope you're well, I have a 2016 E220 BlueTEC with NTG 5s1, how do I get the AMG dials/dynamic select like you have in the videos? It would be nice to see things like nm, oil temp etc
Thanks!
Thanks!
#334
Hi Chris. Any idea how to connect and where ntg4 to external screen?
#335
Junior Member
Joystik NztG5.1
[QUOTE=Vytautas Pocius;8202847]Estou com o mesmo problema, por favor me ajude! E precisa de um código desse botão
Precisa consertar isso? Por favor me ajude
Alguém poderia me dar o código deste botão?
Consegui fazer essa coisa funcionar finalmente, alguns dos acabamentos de plástico estavam faltando, então demorou algum tempo para obtê-los. [/QUOTE
]
allo joystik plug and play partnumber is A2129009728
Last edited by Brunotaxi7; 05-19-2022 at 03:26 PM. Reason: Mais detalhado
#337
Hello.
I know that this topic is on and on again? But before I'm going to start retrofitting comand 5.1 to my w212 I'd like to know that I have every single thing that I need. Unfortunately all the information here, is in a little mess and im not sure if I managed to understand it in a proper way.
So, what to begin with. My Car is W212 E250 4matic 2013 Facelift.Originally
I've managed to buy a cheap 5.1 from W212 with damaged buttons.
I was trying to repaint buttons but with no luck. So. I have found a cheap 5.1 form CLA. Now I have to switch only frames and front control panels and its going to fit my car perfectly. I've managed to disassemble the whole control panel and repaint the frame but the buttons are too damaged.
I've got:
1. 2x Comand 5s1
2. Screen
3. Screen frame
4. SD card with maps
And Now. Guys. What do I need more? I've read that I need scroll-knob with four buttons.But that info was given with pre-facelift modifications. So do I have to change it?
Another case is that blue plug on the screen. I suppose I have to buy new wire harness from comand to the screen? Yes?
And now. I wonder, maybe instead using w212 comand which looks much worse should I use the 5.1 from CLA? Do you know are there any differences in the software? Or the only difference is the frame?
Any suggestions from you?
I know that this topic is on and on again? But before I'm going to start retrofitting comand 5.1 to my w212 I'd like to know that I have every single thing that I need. Unfortunately all the information here, is in a little mess and im not sure if I managed to understand it in a proper way.
So, what to begin with. My Car is W212 E250 4matic 2013 Facelift.Originally
- 509 Becker® MAP PILOT
- 510 Audio 20 CD with 6-disc CD changer
I've managed to buy a cheap 5.1 from W212 with damaged buttons.
I was trying to repaint buttons but with no luck. So. I have found a cheap 5.1 form CLA. Now I have to switch only frames and front control panels and its going to fit my car perfectly. I've managed to disassemble the whole control panel and repaint the frame but the buttons are too damaged.
I've got:
1. 2x Comand 5s1
2. Screen
3. Screen frame
4. SD card with maps
And Now. Guys. What do I need more? I've read that I need scroll-knob with four buttons.But that info was given with pre-facelift modifications. So do I have to change it?
Another case is that blue plug on the screen. I suppose I have to buy new wire harness from comand to the screen? Yes?
And now. I wonder, maybe instead using w212 comand which looks much worse should I use the 5.1 from CLA? Do you know are there any differences in the software? Or the only difference is the frame?
Any suggestions from you?
Last edited by strzaly01; 05-29-2022 at 04:49 PM.
#338
I need your generous help. I did a retrofit from ntg 4.7 to ntg5s1 in my car, W212 facelift with factory rear view camera. The radio is now working at 100%. I changed the cable connecting the rear view camera - radio and the rear view camera.
But I have a problem, Vediamo (rvc218.cbf) and Xentry don't recognize the new rear view camera. How can I encode the new rear view camera with vediamo?
On the radio I already have the rear view camera menu active.
Thanks
But I have a problem, Vediamo (rvc218.cbf) and Xentry don't recognize the new rear view camera. How can I encode the new rear view camera with vediamo?
On the radio I already have the rear view camera menu active.
Thanks
#339
W212 from ntg4 to ntg 5.1
Comand 5s1 retrofitted in 2010 W207/W212 from 2016 models. - YouTube
My 2016 COMAND NTG 5s1 retrofit into my 2010 W207.
So???
What 2016 parts was needed SO FAR to do this retrofit from NTG4 to 5s1:
1. Comand 5s1 big version with built in HD navi
2. Screen
3. Video cable to screen
4. Repinning of cables in sockets
5. LAN antenna
6. H/K Amp
7. Camera and cablekit
8. Screen frame
9. New joystick with 4 buttons
10. Pincode
11. Maps with activation code
I am experimenting alot with programming and activating of menues. I got the AMG logo to start it of. And alot else so far.
So ALL that works now but
only PROBLEMS so far:
Navigation dont get a speed signal. So maps stop moving when it loses satelites.
Media dont showup in cluster. All else show up and work. Radio,Navi.phone...
AMG dails, then middle big one dont work. Guess it is also speed signal issue.
Camera dont send video
My 2016 COMAND NTG 5s1 retrofit into my 2010 W207.
So???
What 2016 parts was needed SO FAR to do this retrofit from NTG4 to 5s1:
1. Comand 5s1 big version with built in HD navi
2. Screen
3. Video cable to screen
4. Repinning of cables in sockets
5. LAN antenna
6. H/K Amp
7. Camera and cablekit
8. Screen frame
9. New joystick with 4 buttons
10. Pincode
11. Maps with activation code
I am experimenting alot with programming and activating of menues. I got the AMG logo to start it of. And alot else so far.
So ALL that works now but
only PROBLEMS so far:
Navigation dont get a speed signal. So maps stop moving when it loses satelites.
Media dont showup in cluster. All else show up and work. Radio,Navi.phone...
AMG dails, then middle big one dont work. Guess it is also speed signal issue.
Camera dont send video
what can I do
#340
heck, i had to update my 2016 w212 (build 2016-03-11).. my indie's scanner said I had the 9_15 version but vladimir said my car wasn't upgraded, and indeed, it did not work, til I took it to the dealer and paid them to upgrade it, THEN it worked, and it works great!.
#342
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#344
MBWorld Fanatic!
Fwiw, what the rest of the world calls firmware, Mercedes calls "flashware"... Tell the dealer service folks you're having intermittent problems playing mp3 files on USB sticks, and you read online that a flashware update should fix it, they might charge you for an hour or so of labor, which was $200 here in the SFBA. Once that's done, yeah, a code activator should work.
#348
sveikas. noreciau info apie retrofit ekrano ir multimedijos interfeiso. maniskis 2012, noriu susideti nuo 2017 ekrana ir audio su visu interfeisu. jeigu long story short, kas reikalinga tiksliai?
turiu ekrana(esu rades nuo beroc ml kebulo ekrana, kurio bezelis yra mazesnis ir ekranas atrodo didesnis nei cls, bet isoriskai atrodo tokspats, tik nezinau ismieros) bet turiu ir cls org ekrana naujesni
bloka audio
harmanno stiprintuva is fl
kamera galine is fl
mygtuka ratuka is fl
ko dar truksta? ar sunku viska paciam susideti, tiksliau ar daug wiring reikia prasivedzioti paciam? daug darbu salone dariausi pats, paneles keitimas ir panasiai, tad gala ir panele tikrai nera bedu nusiardyti.
turiu ekrana(esu rades nuo beroc ml kebulo ekrana, kurio bezelis yra mazesnis ir ekranas atrodo didesnis nei cls, bet isoriskai atrodo tokspats, tik nezinau ismieros) bet turiu ir cls org ekrana naujesni
bloka audio
harmanno stiprintuva is fl
kamera galine is fl
mygtuka ratuka is fl
ko dar truksta? ar sunku viska paciam susideti, tiksliau ar daug wiring reikia prasivedzioti paciam? daug darbu salone dariausi pats, paneles keitimas ir panasiai, tad gala ir panele tikrai nera bedu nusiardyti.
#349
sveikas. noreciau info apie retrofit ekrano ir multimedijos interfeiso. maniskis 2012, noriu susideti nuo 2017 ekrana ir audio su visu interfeisu. jeigu long story short, kas reikalinga tiksliai?
turiu ekrana(esu rades nuo beroc ml kebulo ekrana, kurio bezelis yra mazesnis ir ekranas atrodo didesnis nei cls, bet isoriskai atrodo tokspats, tik nezinau ismieros) bet turiu ir cls org ekrana naujesni
bloka audio
harmanno stiprintuva is fl
kamera galine is fl
mygtuka ratuka is fl
ko dar truksta? ar sunku viska paciam susideti, tiksliau ar daug wiring reikia prasivedzioti paciam? daug darbu salone dariausi pats, paneles keitimas ir panasiai, tad gala ir panele tikrai nera bedu nusiardyti.
turiu ekrana(esu rades nuo beroc ml kebulo ekrana, kurio bezelis yra mazesnis ir ekranas atrodo didesnis nei cls, bet isoriskai atrodo tokspats, tik nezinau ismieros) bet turiu ir cls org ekrana naujesni
bloka audio
harmanno stiprintuva is fl
kamera galine is fl
mygtuka ratuka is fl
ko dar truksta? ar sunku viska paciam susideti, tiksliau ar daug wiring reikia prasivedzioti paciam? daug darbu salone dariausi pats, paneles keitimas ir panasiai, tad gala ir panele tikrai nera bedu nusiardyti.
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#350
MBWorld Fanatic!
sveikas. noreciau info apie retrofit ekrano ir multimedijos interfeiso. maniskis 2012, noriu susideti nuo 2017 ekrana ir audio su visu interfeisu. jeigu long story short, kas reikalinga tiksliai?
turiu ekrana(esu rades nuo beroc ml kebulo ekrana, kurio bezelis yra mazesnis ir ekranas atrodo didesnis nei cls, bet isoriskai atrodo tokspats, tik nezinau ismieros) bet turiu ir cls org ekrana naujesni
bloka audio
harmanno stiprintuva is fl
kamera galine is fl
mygtuka ratuka is fl
ko dar truksta? ar sunku viska paciam susideti, tiksliau ar daug wiring reikia prasivedzioti paciam? daug darbu salone dariausi pats, paneles keitimas ir panasiai, tad gala ir panele tikrai nera bedu nusiardyti.
turiu ekrana(esu rades nuo beroc ml kebulo ekrana, kurio bezelis yra mazesnis ir ekranas atrodo didesnis nei cls, bet isoriskai atrodo tokspats, tik nezinau ismieros) bet turiu ir cls org ekrana naujesni
bloka audio
harmanno stiprintuva is fl
kamera galine is fl
mygtuka ratuka is fl
ko dar truksta? ar sunku viska paciam susideti, tiksliau ar daug wiring reikia prasivedzioti paciam? daug darbu salone dariausi pats, paneles keitimas ir panasiai, tad gala ir panele tikrai nera bedu nusiardyti.
this is an english forum, but if I run google translate,
healthy I would like information about the retrofit screen and multimedia interface. mine is 2012, I want to add screen and audio from 2017 with the full interface. if long story short, what exactly is needed? I have a screen (I have a rades ml cable screen, the bezel is smaller and the screen looks bigger than the cls, but externally it looks the same, I just don't know the size) but I also have a cls org screen, a newer unit, an audio Harmann amplifier from fl, a rear camera from fl, a wheel button from fl what else is missing? is it difficult to assemble everything by yourself, more precisely, do you have to do a lot of wiring yourself? I did a lot of work in the salon myself, changing panels and the like, so it's really not difficult to disassemble the end and the panel.