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Old Nov 22, 2016 | 07:03 PM
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man I don't get it. The washer def wouldn't sit flat when in the negative camber position. I even tried it from the other way and same scenario, it wouldn't sit flat.

Edit - it also doesn't say anything about airmatic suspensions

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Old Nov 22, 2016 | 07:07 PM
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this is really weird , we need to get a hold of KP1 guy to give us any ideas

Edit - it say ALL front with 14 mm bolts. i would think they meant all w212 within 10-14 year make , including airmatic
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Old Nov 22, 2016 | 07:24 PM
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KP1 has an E350 and has 2 bolts (one above the other) where we only have 1 :/

Maybe if I loosen the lower 2 bolts and then adjust the camber bolt to my desired spec (max negative), then re-tighten the lower 2 bolts it will work.
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Old Nov 22, 2016 | 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris_tA_4
KP1 has an E350 and has 2 bolts (one above the other) where we only have 1 :/

Maybe if I loosen the lower 2 bolts and then adjust the camber bolt to my desired spec (max negative), then re-tighten the lower 2 bolts it will work.

iidk, maybe we gotta look for smth else.. or actually get these bolts from dealer , to be sure...
but same thing is gonna cost 5 times more there ((
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Old Nov 23, 2016 | 09:52 AM
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Yeah, i'm looking into KMAC camber/castor bushings now. This may be the only resort for us
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Old Nov 23, 2016 | 10:11 AM
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which are 250 bucks? lol
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Old Nov 23, 2016 | 10:14 AM
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LOL way off. $480! They stupid expensive for what gains they give smh
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Old Nov 23, 2016 | 10:18 AM
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LOL way off. $480! They stupid expensive for what gains they give smh
worth it or not? what do you think? id say they can have them for that much
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Old Nov 23, 2016 | 10:25 AM
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I'm on the fence. I really want front camber adjustment and KMAC will definitely offer that. Maybe they will have a sale for the holidays...
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Old Nov 23, 2016 | 10:29 AM
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so i guess you gave up on ACdelco bolts?
yeah , maybe you get lucky , and they will have a holiday discount. keep us posted
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Old Nov 23, 2016 | 12:13 PM
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I gave the Acdelco bolts another shot. I finished shaving off the tabs that were in the way, and had great results!
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Old Nov 23, 2016 | 12:18 PM
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I can't upload the video I made but here is the washer with tab eliminated. It sits flat now

Front camber arms?-img_0742_zpsaodwgki2.jpg

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Old Nov 23, 2016 | 12:21 PM
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Video is pretty laggy but the camber bolt brings the knuckle/spindle closer to the strut giving me negative camber. You can see the gap getting smaller.
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Old Nov 23, 2016 | 12:44 PM
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so it worked then? nice , good news!
just need to get rid off that tab on the washer. and you still put it in the same direction the old one was? the bolt head is out?

yea i see the gap space was changing.
gonna wait for your rear bushings or going to do the alignment?
man im excited atleast about front ones.
hope bolts and alignment will eliminate uneven tire wear.
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Old Nov 23, 2016 | 12:57 PM
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Yup put the camber bolt in the same direction as the old one. Bolt head facing front of car.

I have rear camber arms (Lykt) installed on the car already so now I just gotta do the other front side and check results. I won't get to the other front side until after Thanksgiving. I'm going out of town in about 1 hour.

But yeah I'm pretty happy with results.
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Old Nov 23, 2016 | 12:58 PM
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You can't remove the tab. It's a integral part.
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Old Nov 23, 2016 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by kp1
You can't remove the tab. It's a integral part.
How?

I thought it was merely just an indicator of which way the washer is oriented to distinguish between positive and negative camber.

EDIT: Maybe I have been using the wrong terminology. I removed the washer handle not tab.
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Old Nov 23, 2016 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris_tA_4
Yup put the camber bolt in the same direction as the old one. Bolt head facing front of car.

I have rear camber arms (Lykt) installed on the car already so now I just gotta do the other front side and check results. I won't get to the other front side until after Thanksgiving. I'm going out of town in about 1 hour.

But yeah I'm pretty happy with results.
awesome , will wait on result on after the holidays.
have a good one.

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You can't remove the tab. It's a integral part.
yea the thing that sticks out on the washer. i think he meant
something like this in the pics right? (not an actual pic of the washer)
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Old Nov 23, 2016 | 02:06 PM
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One locator (tab) goes inside the bolt hole and if you remove it you render the bolt cam useless. The external tab is intended to indicate where the locator tab is in the hole, and you could remove that, but why? It's there so you have a way to conveniently clock the locator tab.
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Originally Posted by kp1
One locator (tab) goes inside the bolt hole and if you remove it you render the bolt cam useless. The external tab is intended to indicate where the locator tab is in the hole, and you could remove that, but why? It's there so you have a way to conveniently clock the locator tab.
i guess it wasnt fitting right with it???
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Old Nov 23, 2016 | 04:51 PM
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The washer wouldn't sit flat with the external tab (handle) on it (I posted a picture of that on page 1). It was hitting the strut mount.

Now with the handle removed from the washer it sits flush and works as intended.
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UPDATE:

Went to finish up the install and have now encountered another problem which leads me to believe that these bolts are definitely not made for airmatic E550's.

You can see in the picture below that the "lobe" of the camber bolt extends past the knuckle/strut mount (circled in red) thus not letting the bolt to ever be tightened against the knuckle/strut mount. I've also attached measurements showing the camber bolt nut screwed all the way down (22.29mm) exceeds the length of the knuckle/strut mount (20.13mm).

I think I will add a washer so that the nut can be torqued down.

Front camber arms?-img_0747_zpsda4z7tlk.jpg
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Chris, is your goal to get more negative camber/tuck with your setup or to bring things back in line and square to account for a lowered suspension?

I could be totally off base (and am admittedly my knowledge on the topic is somewhat limited), but could this set be utilized to square things up and allow for more even tire wear vs the super aggressive appearance/stance it seems you may be going for?

Forgive me if I'm totally off base. I think Belarus and I are trying to accomplish the same thing but I am unsure of your motives .

I suppose either way, if it will pull yours in, it can push ours out! Between these bolts being a success and the specialty products bushing set for the rear I'm extremely excited. The other vendor (I forget the name) you referenced in this thread earlier was close to 1k for the front and rear package when I looked a while ago. sub 150 bucks + alignment I can totally handle!!! I'll be watching this thread CLOSELY the next week. My blizzaks and the soft compound rubber don't handle camber very well .

Thank you for posting all of this!

Cheers!

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Old Nov 30, 2016 | 02:40 AM
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Dang thats too many issues with these , a lot of modifications.
Dont dealer have the right bolts for about 30 bucks , that maybe be worth it , or ima try looking on ebay tomorrow , see what else is available.

Let us know how that washer thing worked out.
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Old Nov 30, 2016 | 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by belarus27
Dang thats too many issues with these , a lot of modifications.
Dont dealer have the right bolts for about 30 bucks , that maybe be worth it , or ima try looking on ebay tomorrow , see what else is available.

Let us know how that washer thing worked out.
I don't know if the dealer has camber bolts for our cars or not... report back what you find out.

As far as too many issues, as far as I can tell it's pretty straight forward... take a dremel tool, cut off the exterior "handle", and install. add a small washer to allow torquing down the nuts.

That said, they are about 30/pair shipped on ebay. My lack of patience (and fact I'm going to have the wheels off the car in the next few days to do my brakes) would offer a super convenient time to get in there are knock out these items as well..... (discount at the local stealership parts counter doesn't hurt). haha.
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