El Cid

No arguments please, but I have been thinking about whether or not to trade my 2010 in and have narrowed it down to three cars with 2017 E being third.
Has anyone else looked at the 2017 Genesis G80 or 2017 Lincoln Continental?
First, I am looking for comfort, quiet and traditional styling. Therefore all the issues about high performance, 0-60, etc. are not relevant.
Did find it interesting that the panoramic roof on the Continental is a stand alone option, as is the CD player.
Also, ALL the safety features are standard on the G80. All of them.
Thanks for input.

Munich77

If you don't care about resale I would get the G80 with the V8. The Lincoln is still a repackaged front wheel drive platform.

El Cid

As I said, performance is not important to me so the V8 is not an option. Genesis (Hyundai) has a very good V6.
While the Continental platform is pretty much from a Taurus, it has been tweaked or improved. Certain aspects are unique to Continental.
Regardless, I am not opposed to a manufacturer using powertrains across many "makes" as long as they are good. This reduces the cost of the vehicle I am looking at, both initially and for maintenance down the road.
Another factor is that if 10 Million vehicles have been sold with the powertrain, it has been tested far better than what the manufacturers do during R&D or at test facilities.
Ironically, I still have never learned the real significance of FWD vs. RWD in real world driving.
Incidentally, I still like my "E", but I have had it for seven years and the warranty is gone.
Found out that Lincoln is offering Zero percent interst for 36 months.
Thanks for your input. I do appreciate it.

DallasMB

I think Lincoln has done a good job of repackaging Ford Taurus. It would be a bargain as a used car. The Genesis is a capable vehicle also, but I'd never buy it new. Resale value is just not there. A CPO E-350 would be your best choice in terms of longevity, resale, and prestige.

AkaSigFreak

One of my friends has a G80 and it is an incredible car. Full of features for a comparatively low price. I love old Lincolns but wouldn't touch a new one even though they look interesting. I love the features on the 2017 E-Class but dislike the use of smaller Turbo 4 cylinder engines over the V6. I also dislike the restyling of the tail. All the cars are beginning to look alike. C, E, S all have similar taillights and rear fascias.

thefisch

I'd give a hard look at the G80. But I'd probably start with a one or two year old (post redesign) Genesis one that's fully loaded. Not sure if the G80 is just a rebadging or a redesign.

PaulE550

Of the two you are seriously considering, the Genesis and the Lincoln, I would think the Lincoln would meet your requirements better. It is built on the Taurus chassis, which has been road tested in the millions. Parts are easily available and any indy mechanic can work on the car. If you are looking to keep the car for several years and you want easy access to both service and relatively inexpensive OEM parts, that is a plus over the Genesis. The Lincoln is a very traditionally designed car and probably the closest you are going to get, in an American made car, to the kind of really soft, detached from the road feel of the old American models. Finally, you can probably get a better deal on a new Lincoln than a Genesis. So you can pocket the savings for either future maintenance or spend it on something else.

gofisch

Here is something to consider on the Service side of things. Hyundai is still operating the Genesis service, the stand alone Genesis dealerships are not up and running yet. So you are going to get Hyundai service for a Luxury brand. I know from first hand experience most Hyundai dealership's are not ready to service Luxury cars. Please don't get me wrong I've owned Hyundai's and test drove several Genesis' over the last few years and I like them, but the service and expertise is not there yet at most dealerships.

cetialpha5

Ha! Not to be snobbish but it sounds like you're saying that one negative is rubbing elbows with Elantra's and Sonata owners when you're getting service. Lincoln also has a better extended warranty than MB, you can go up to 8 years/150k.

Peachy

Why is the 2017 E class in third place? If you're not concerned about the drive-train it seems like it would be out of the league of the other two.

cetialpha5

I'm guessing price wise, MB is probably higher than the other two. It probably has a few options that the other two don't have and vice versa. I didn't notice any curve illumination on the Lincoln, but it has most options that the E has.

Peachy

Well if the E isn't really an option I'd go with the Lincoln. I've ridden in a couple Lincolns and they were really comfy and smooth. Also I think the G80 looks really bland and generic. The Lincoln seems to have more character.

If you trust Car and Driver, here's their Mid Size Luxury Car Rankings:

1. Mercedes-AMG E43 (5 Stars)
2. Mercedes-Benz E-class (4.5 Stars)
....
14. Genesis G80 (3 Stars)
15. Lincoln Continental (3 Stars)

GuestFromTampa

I would get the G80 with the V8.

VegasE

I will never own a Hyundai again. My wife and son have bought a total of 3 Hyundais and have been very dissatisfied with their long term reliability. My son started by buying a new Tiburon. While doing so, my wife fell in love with the top of the line new XG-350.

First, the Huyndai warranty is very misleading. Things start dropping off of coverage after the first year or 12K miles. You never know whether a particular item will be covered or not so if you suspect you know what is wrong you better ask your service advisor if it is covered first. When you finally get to the point that only the drivetrain is covered (10 years/100K new or 5 years 50K if you are not the original owner), be advised that Hyundai has a very limited definition of what composes the drivetrain. To them, the drivetrain starts at the pistons and ends at the transaxle. So if you have an issues with the intake, exhaust, valves, starter, alternator, etc this is NOT covered.

Our XG-350 had a CEL at 70K and the repair bill was going to be $4K because none of it was covered under warranty. My wife had already been thinking of trading in for a new top of the line Azera and the dealer gave us a surprisingly large discount (I caparisoned shopped at other dealers first) and a good trade so we made the deal. About a year later my son's Tib started to fall apart (starter, alternator, clutch & flywheel, etc) at 65K, none of which was covered under warranty. While investigating the clutch repair online, we found out that there are multiple class action suits against Hyundai's manual trannies due to premature clutch failure with quite a few failing at under 10K. After the last repair, my son traded it in for a low mileage BMW 128. Two years ago, my wife and I were cruising at the legal 75mph on an interstate in Nowhere AZ when the tranny suddenly downshifted to third gear giving us whiplash! It was a miracle that we were not run over by a semi. After a day of tow and rental car, we waited for the repair. Because we only had 40K on the car, the tranny failure was covered by warranty. The wiring harness inside the tranny broke. My wife refused to get in the car again, I sold it, and bought her our CPO 2012 E350 which has a far more comfortable ride that the XG350 or Azera, much more power, and better handling. When it comes to quality, the Hyundai price is appealing but you get what you pay for and the warranty is crap.

gofisch

No, I didn't mean that at all. Its the level of expertise and customer service required to service a Luxury automobile (and their owners LOL)

El Cid

Don't really like the styling, interior or exterior, of the new "E". The stop/start and lack of a spare tire of any kind are also discouraging.
While price is not a major consideration, it is a factor. MB tends to require a lot of expensive options/packages to get near other cars. Continental tends to get pricey fairly quickly also.

I had a fully loaded Hyundai Azera Limited before my E350. Very nice car, no problems and was much quieter and more comfortable than my Luxury E with comfort suspension, etc. It had the 3.8 V6 and performed very well. What it didn't have was navigation and some newer bells and whistles and the prestige of an MB. Realize that neither Continental nor G80 will have the prestige, but not as important now as it was then.

As for the XG350 mentioned above, that is a very old Hyundai vehicle and was their first foray into upscale cars. The Azera replaced it.

As for the service variation, I have used just about every make out there. The amenities do not interest me. Want reliable, reasonable, conveinent service. I like my MB dealer and give them a 10 on surveys (except for price), but my Nissan dealer is just as good.

Thanks to ALL for your replies!

teksurv

All I can do is offer my take. 1. E Class - If price is a consideration, but not a block, hands down I'd have an E300 with Air suspension for the best ride in terms of comfort. I'd equip with massage seats, etc. 2. Continental - While I truly dislike front wheel drive, i see that you do not. Once past that consideration, styling and comfort are decent here. 3. Genesis - While an older model , my wife had a '99 Elantra. She turned on the AC on the freeway and the car lurched almost causing an accident. The car was immediately replaced with another make.

I have friends who have had other Hyundai models, not good experiences. All of that aside, which is the safest? I have not looked yet. My E350 is well ranked in terms of safety, and I am grateful for that!

LILBENZ230

My pick would be the Genesis. I'd skip the W213.

homeofstone

I have 2011 Genesis V8 which I purchased new in 2010. The Genesis now has 197,000 miles on it and has been a near perfect car. Original brakes lasted 130,000 miles. The car has never used oil, no leaks of any kind ever. Only thing that has failed was the gas gauge sending unit this past year. I love the Genesis and I love my E63 AMG. So I would go with another E Merc. or the Genesis.

El Cid

Thanks for your replies. I parked my E next to the Continental I test drove and stylistically very similar. Though it was evident that the Continental was a tad larger than the E.
But, gee the car gets pricey quickly. Sales rep said he thought they would take 500-1,000 off on a 63,000 one. In 2009, got 13% off on my 2010 E and that was ordering it from Germany. Yeah, 2009 was a buyer's market, but still?
Thanks to DallasMB for posting the pics; never have been any good at that.

aquinob

I test drove the Genisys last year, before it became the g80 when my wife was car shopping. I thought it was a nice, well thought out car, rode well, decent amount of options, though you needed to get it in the 40's to get all the right options including braking and tech. But I also thought it didn't ride and drive as nicely as my 6 year old E which is the same year as yours. There is just something a bit sterile about it. It is a big improvement over the previous Genisys model, both in ride and interior bits as well as styling.

The other consideration I would give would be to the resale value. If its anything like previous Genisys, then it will be pretty severe over the first three years, maybe more so than even MB. Lots of those ended up as rentals and drove down the resale value since they were dumped out at 2-3 years in the fleet. I'd probably be more inclined to find a very late model E or Audi before I'd go with the Genisys. YMMV

BTW, wife ended up with an Avalon, which is actually a very nice car, if you can get past the current Toyota funky styling. You could also look at the Lexus G350 or Infiniti. I'd also take a look at Audi A6 or Jag XF. Both the Audi and Jag have German power trains. Lots of choices out there if you are not locked into a brand

PaulE550

Everyone in the mass market auto industry was offering big discounts in 2009. Buyer's market. Today is different, but you should be able to do much better on a discount for a new Lincoln. Probably the sales rep was looking for you to start haggling on price or see how serious your interest was.

cetialpha5

Well the E is new this year so normally they don't discount much on a new model as that's when it's most in demand, but it's been a little while now so maybe you can get something. There's also the European delivery, I think it's normally 7%, but you might be able to get an extra 2-3.5% or more through the European delivery sub forum. You got to go to Europe to pick it up though.

PaulE550

If you read El Cid's last reply, you'll see he was talking about the Lincoln. He is not interested in the new Benz. He considering either the Genesis, which seems to be his preference at this point, and the Lincoln.

BetterTomorrow

This may sound harsh, but Tiburon and XG350 are literally yester-years cars when it comes to Hyundai. They were not great cars in its domestic market (they were not even targeted/designed to compete against global market cars). You took the risk of buying these cheap thrill cars that probably rated very low by consumer/owner reviewers (didn't even look up, I would not consider any Hyundai older than 2015).

My personal experience with Hyundai Genesis (now called G80) was excellent. Bought it new, put on about 20k, and traded it in for 2014 E550 4Matic because I missed 2010 E550 4Matic had before. I think I may have mentioned it in other thread but 2015+ Genesis offers quieter, safer, roomier, comparable if not better performance in both straight line and cornering, and more luxurious ride (not interior quality but ride) than any 6 cylinder W212 E Class. In fact, I liked Genesis so much that I gave 2014 Lexus GS (almost fully optioned with dynamic suspension, etc) to family member and drove Genesis. I would think most would know that Lexus GS offers better ride/performance than any W212 6 cylinder cars with comparable interior quality.

Dealer experience may differ but my local dealer experience was way above expectation. When was last time someone here got a comparable loaner for their W212 E service? Most would be thankful to get a C Class with lighting package. At Hyundai, they gave me another Genesis and when they did not another Genesis to give, they apologized and gave me whatever the the next best thing they had(even for sub $100 service).

With that said, I really like W213 E Class (minus 4 cylinder). Interior is probably leaps and bounds better than Genesis. I do not know if I would consider Lincoln just yet. I test drove a few MKXs and MKCs before I got X3 and was shocked at its poor interior quality in hard to see places. There were literally huge gaps and hard plastic pieces sticking out. When hard to see places have such bad quality, what about other places? I really wanted to get an American brand but it was too much of risk. Perhaps new Continental may be better.