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Old Aug 27, 2019 | 03:37 AM
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Led Light Bar Installation

This is my Led light bar if your interested to se

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Old Aug 27, 2019 | 01:45 PM
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You do rock climbing with your MB ?
The installation might be easy on wagon, but not sedan.
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Old Sep 15, 2019 | 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by kajtek1
You do rock climbing with your MB ?
The installation might be easy on wagon, but not sedan.
No its dark pretty much 24/7 here in the winter so nice to have good light : )

True that you may not have that much of wagons over in the US its that correct?
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Old Sep 15, 2019 | 11:22 AM
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Diesel MB wagons are not imported to USA for over 20 years, while the smaller wagon's tow limits make people buying SUV.
Also the light bars are controversial issue as they are illegal for road use and you will always find people who install them on their rock climbers and abuse on the roads.
How about a picture of the road at night with factory lights and than the bar?
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Old Sep 15, 2019 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by kajtek1
Diesel MB wagons are not imported to USA for over 20 years, while the smaller wagon's tow limits make people buying SUV.
Also the light bars are controversial issue as they are illegal for road use and you will always find people who install them on their rock climbers and abuse on the roads.
How about a picture of the road at night with factory lights and than the bar?
I see then its some different from here most go with the wagons not so much SUVs they are really expensive too.
Take photo next time I go out, not sure if I got bad lights but the original its really bad, think even my W124 have better original light.
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Old Sep 15, 2019 | 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by kajtek1
You do rock climbing with your MB ?
Hahaha. I was thinking that too.

But yes, if the OP lives somewhere with little to no lighting I can see this coming in handy. I've personally never needed "more light", but that's not to say others wouldn't feel more comfortable with it.
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Old Sep 16, 2019 | 03:06 PM
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Hahaha. I was thinking that too.

But yes, if the OP lives somewhere with little to no lighting I can see this coming in handy. I've personally never needed "more light", but that's not to say others wouldn't feel more comfortable with it.
Yah around here in the Arctic Circle we have light 24/7 in summer and darkness almost 24/7 in winter
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Old Sep 16, 2019 | 04:07 PM
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But, you only use that LED when driving down dark deserted roads, right? Never on a highway I assume.
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But, you only use that LED when driving down dark deserted roads, right? Never on a highway I assume.
Light on top of the car is awesome when it snows in the middle of a Swedish winter night. Snow flakes will not blind your view. This is how so many big rights do it too but not with a light bar. They use individual lights at the top corners of the cabin, some a row of them across.
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Light on top of the car is awesome when it snows in the middle of a Swedish winter night. Snow flakes will not blind your view. This is how so many big rights do it too but not with a light bar. They use individual lights at the top corners of the cabin, some a row of them across.
Interesting. I’m second gen Swede in the US whose ancestors came from the Ramnas area. Trying to understand the purpose of these and now I get it.
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I don't know how top-mounted lights will not blind you in snowfall.
They will highlight the flakes in your line of view.
The whole purpose of fog light sitting low is that will not highlight the particles if front of your nose.
Same applies to snowflakes.
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I don't know how top-mounted lights will not blind you in snowfall.
They will highlight the flakes in your line of view.
The whole purpose of fog light sitting low is that will not highlight the particles if front of your nose.
Same applies to snowflakes.
Go ride in snowing condition in the night in a car or a truck with high beam lights on top. You will see the difference yourself.
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Sno Cats

Sno cats with high mounted lights pretty much confirms it with me, as they are constantly working at night while it’s snowing heavily.
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Driving in snowing conditions in Nevada is not going to happen, but here is a picture I took this winter with flash, what is high-mounted light.
You can see how the light bounces off falling snow and blinds the eyes.
KEY don't confuse snow dust at ground level with snow falling from the sky.

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Originally Posted by kajtek1
Driving in snowing conditions in Nevada is not going to happen, but here is a picture I took this winter with flash, what is high-mounted light.
You can see how the light bounces off falling snow and blinds the eyes.
KEY don't confuse snow dust at ground level with snow falling from the sky.

What scanner would you recommend getting this discussion going your way?
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The picture hurts your eye, doesn't it?
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Originally Posted by kajtek1
The picture hurts your eye, doesn't it?
No it does not. Has nothing to do with driving in snow storm. In your picture it looks like rain anyway.

Big flake snowing is far worse, almost as bad as the thickest fog to drive in. You obviously have no idea what I’m talking about but want to be the expert.

End discussion.

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What it boils down to is it seems to work for the OP, so arguing about whether or not it does is moot.
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Originally Posted by kajtek1
KEY don't confuse snow dust at ground level with snow falling from the sky.
…..and I said "they are constantly working at night while it’s snowing heavily."
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You assume a lot.
Ratracks are unique machines, so hard to compare them to road use.
Would you take your time to research the subject, you'd notice that truck-mounted snow plows don't use roof-mounted lights, but those who are mounted low, above snow plow.
OP never said he is going to use the bar with snowfall in mind. That was trolled by other member.



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But, you only use that LED when driving down dark deserted roads, right? Never on a highway I assume.
Yah highway to but traffic are really chill here ; ) Night time you may have 1 hour between cars. Maby I can not call that highway

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Light on top of the car is awesome when it snows in the middle of a Swedish winter night. Snow flakes will not blind your view. This is how so many big rights do it too but not with a light bar. They use individual lights at the top corners of the cabin, some a row of them across.
Not think about that my friend! Soon we got snow I will tell if this is a problem

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Interesting. I’m second gen Swede in the US whose ancestors came from the Ramnas area. Trying to understand the purpose of these and now I get it.
Thats nice man have you been in Sweden?
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Yah highway to but traffic are really chill here ; ) Night time you may have 1 hour between cars. Maby I can not call that highway



Not think about that my friend! Soon we got snow I will tell if this is a problem



Thats nice man have you been in Sweden?
If you observe your big rigs (and even some buses) in Sweden you will notice that almost all of them have high beam lights mounted on top of the cabin. The reason is a way better visibility when driving in snowing conditions. Big flake snowing can blind your visit so bad with high beams you cannot use them but with high mounted high beams it makes a huge difference. It does not mean you still don't see the snowing in front of you but it does not blind you like normal low mounted lights.
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Originally Posted by Arrie
If you observe your big rigs (and even some buses) in Sweden you will notice that almost all of them have high beam lights mounted on top of the cabin. The reason is a way better visibility when driving in snowing conditions. Big flake snowing can blind your visit so bad with high beams you cannot use them but with high mounted high beams it makes a huge difference. It does not mean you still don't see the snowing in front of you but it does not blind you like normal low mounted lights.
Quoting my own post here.

Found the video clip below from utube. At 5:10 it has a good showing what it means having those high mounted high beams. The truck switches to low beams and a moment later back to high beams. Anybody who has driven in snow storm like in the video at night time knows the high beams really cannot be used as light reflecting from snow flakes blinds you so badly you have to go to snail speed. This video shows how top mounted high beams really show the road for longer distance without blinding the driver. You can, of course, see the snow but it seems the blinding reflecting light exist on the top side of the light beams coming from the top mounted lights. Right in front of the driver visibility is quite amazing considering the driving conditions. Why this is I have no glue. I have never seen any scientific reasoning to explain it but it is what it is. I bet this was originally discovered by an "accident", just like discovery of vulcanized rubber was...


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You are really full of yourself.
The video clearly shows how the flakes in roof light blind the view.
Just becouse they can reach farther doesn't mean you can see there.
The guy did not have fog lights?
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Originally Posted by kajtek1
You are really full of yourself.
The video clearly shows how the flakes in roof light blind the view.
Just becouse they can reach farther doesn't mean you can see there.
The guy did not have fog lights?
You still don’t get it....and obviously never drove in dark snow storm... and think all these Nordic truck makers that install the top lights now in the factory are stupid doing so and wasting money...also bus makers with these top lights must be stupid and thousands of individual big rig owners and drivers that installed the top lights to their vehicles are the stupidest...

You better send them all a message so they know how stupid the are and remind them to buy a “all problem solving scanner” so they can see better in the dark winter storm night!

And you keep talking about the fog lights. This is not about driving with lo-beam or fog lights. This is about being able to use hi-beams so the big rigs can see more road and be driving faster and safer. They need longer braking distance so any extra visibility is good. Fog lights are worse than lo-beams for this.

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