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Old 10-24-2021, 05:49 AM
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W212 No High Beam

Hey Guys !
Hoping you all are doing well. I have W212 pre-facelift and installed Depo facelift headlights.

Im facing issue with high beam as its not working. Guide me from where I should start the troubleshooting ?

Is there any high beam signal wire before sam control that i can wire straight to the headlight ? Thanks !

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2014 - W212.065 - E400 ( M276.820, 3 liter Turbo) RWD not Hybrid
So, u are using aftermarket light ?
U should be asking the manufacturer of Depo.

U should also indicate your VIN number, so the original light version of yours can be known.
MB wiring for lights is not as simple as you think, depends on what kind of lights based model year of the car.
If CAN BUS is involved for your car original headlight, well........it is not easy task to sort out.

If Depo got the ***** to sell aftermarket headlights, they should also provide proper installation manual for it.

Some headlights do not have HIGH BEAM analog +12V signal into the light from the car,
Example my car with the Dynamic LED 640/641 option.
There is no true high beam extra "bulb", it is a manipulation of the aiming of the LED module to go higher, as simple as that.

It is all CAN BUS commanded. I been trying also to get an analog +12V signal for extra stand alone high power driving lights...no luck.
Need to buy special module to intercept the so called high beam command from the CAN BUS, but it is not that simple with option
640/641 intelligent light because it is so complicated this smart headlight.

I asked UK best known CAN BUS module maker, they won't even reply and their compatibility list ( at its australian dealer ) stop short before dynamic LED 640/641 model year or the 2014 facelift.
https://www.canm8.com/canm8-highbeam-3.html


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Yes aftermarket from Depo, They said plug & play but its not.

240 LED DAYTIME RUNNING LIGHTS
608 AUTOMATIC HIGH BEAM SWITCH (IHC)
615 BI-XENON HEADLICHT W.ACTVIE CURVELIGHT RIGHT-DRIVE
619 CORNERING ILLUMINATION

You are right but they dont have *****

I understand as it taking signals from windshield sensor & height sensor at the front and back. But is there any high beam signal wire before sam unit which gets signal from the high beam switch ?

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2014 - W212.065 - E400 ( M276.820, 3 liter Turbo) RWD not Hybrid
As I am away from my PC, no access to WIS/EPC of Mercedes.
However, I recalled Bi-Xenon are actually ballast based light, like HID.
The high beam is by removing a shutter and higher beam spread happened.
Its not like traditional halogen where there are really 2 bulbs or 2 filaments on a dual low/high bulb.
Ballast based lights cannot reach maximum brightness as fast like halogen ( near instant ) , hence the shutter is one of the solution.

If your light can curve too, so there are motorized reflectors ...something like that.
I believe your light operation is CAN BUS controlled.
So if you want to find the old fashion +12V high beam signal, you won't find it. This command is via the CAN BUS, as a data.

If you see baby sized wires of 0.5mm or 0.35mm, 2 of them at the headlight wiring assy, those are the CAN BUS wires.

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Yes its Bi-Xenon ballast, shutter based one.

I dont think its CAN BUS operated, im attaching pic of ballast.

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2014 - W212.065 - E400 ( M276.820, 3 liter Turbo) RWD not Hybrid
Need wiring diagram to be sure.
Or if you have a scanner, unplug one headlight and read the code/s issued by car. No need to turn ON headlight, if CAN BUS is there, it will trigger a warning.
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2014 - W212.065 - E400 ( M276.820, 3 liter Turbo) RWD not Hybrid
608 AUTOMATIC HIGH BEAM SWITCH (IHC)
615 BI-XENON HEADLICHT W.ACTVIE CURVELIGHT RIGHT-DRIVE

these 2 features alone is CAN BUS territory.
608 talks to windshield camera
615 talks to steering angle sensor but not directly, it is via steering module.
If your headlight is also auto-leveling.... another CAN BUS territory

I dont know anything about DEPO lights.
The link below has warning :
ONLY suitable for Mercedes Benz E-Class W212 (2013-2016) models with halogen headlights.
https://www.dejavucars.eu/en/10487.html

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well unplugged headlight no error or warning message displayed.

From where i bought online says plug and play from 2009 to 2012
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Originally Posted by mani w212
well unplugged headlight no error or warning message displayed.

From where i bought online says plug and play from 2009 to 2012
it is my understanding plug and play is for replacing the dual halogen headlights, xenons are a different situation, you might want to recheck that part, I also remember replacing a headlight with xenons, it needed to be coded and you need to get a picture of the code off the headlight housing before installation and enter that into Xentry if I remember correctly.
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2014 - W212.065 - E400 ( M276.820, 3 liter Turbo) RWD not Hybrid
Originally Posted by mani w212
well unplugged headlight no error or warning message displayed.

From where i bought online says plug and play from 2009 to 2012
I forgot to add. Ignition key must be at position 2, lights being OFF okey. Ignition 2 wakes up all the module. Keep at position 2 for 5 seconds and then
go to position 1 and wait 2-3 minutes. Better yet, start engine and operate the lights.

Insert car key into ignition key
Spin key clockwise 1 click = Position 1
Spin key clockwise 2 click = Position 2
Spin key to crank = starter engaged to start engine
In my car, all 4 above stages wakes up different modules on the car

2009 - 2012 plug and play is not a proper statement, unless it describe light options of the said car.
There is another aftermarket brand called KITT, it stated :

Suitable for

Mercedes E-Class W212 (2013-2016) equipped with Halogen
Mercedes E-Class W212 (2009-2012) for completing the conversion to Mercedes E-Class W212 (2013-2016)
*Fitting on cars with original xenon, requires rewiring.

I do not know mercedes W212 headlights options 100%, I do not know what AFS means and if Xenon is the same as Bi-Xenon
MB headlight technology naming is another bi-tch, what they name in their marketing brochure is not the same as what WIS/EPC name them.

Not suitable for

Mercedes E-Class W212 equipped with AFS (Adaptive Front-lighting System)
Mercedes E-Class W212 RHD (Right Hand Drive)


https://www.carpartstuning.com/led-x...ype/5986762-1/

I am 99% sure your original headlight uses CAN BUS.
Too much complex data input/wiring for the 3 features I mentioned if not using CAN BUS.
608 AUTOMATIC HIGH BEAM SWITCH (IHC)
615 BI-XENON HEADLICHT W.ACTVIE CURVELIGHT RIGHT-DRIVE
Self Leveling ( car has height sensor at suspension arm)


Finding wiring diagram for the correct system/option is a hassle with mercedes WIS/EPC , very time consuming. So much variations for their world wide models.
I hope someone else with MB WIS/EPC and willing to assist.......... is reading this post and there you will see your original Bi-Xenon uses CAN BUS system

Now you can start to contact DEPO and get them to assist you too.
Or use the search function of this forum, I am sure some have tried DEPO lights

Final word, I feel sorry for you. Even if you can finally get your DEPO headlight to work, it will take a lot of effort and more $$.
You are where I am now, we both wanted high beam command.

I wanted to buy this light :
https://www.lazerlamps.com/linear-18...am-assist.html
They use CAM8 module for CAN BUS intercept.
These 2 British companies, I contacted them to ask and I explained my light option is 641/640 Dynamic LED with option 628 (Adaptive High Beam Assist Plus -IHC +) and if their
CAN BUS intercept can work??
Both never replied.... damn.



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MY'14 W212 M276 3.5NA @60kMi
PnP HL replacement...

In practice PnP has a couple different meanings...
For Apple: Plug 'n Play
For Microsoft: Plug 'n Pray
For MBenz: Plug 'n Pay


The fancy lights module require an expert massage to work over CAN. Upgrade is a much different ballgame than identical replacement.

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Originally Posted by mani w212
Where I can check its CAN Bus operated or not ?
As far as I know I didn't find any CAN there.

skinny pair is likely CAN bus control

The best way to confirm a hunch is to look at the electrical schematic applicable to your particular vehicle.

FYI: Left and right side wiring harness likely asymmetrical due to master/slave control. So look at both side for completeness.



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2014 - W212.065 - E400 ( M276.820, 3 liter Turbo) RWD not Hybrid
Mani,

Ur headlights use CAN BUS system. CAN G.

Told you.............


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