E350 2010 w212. All dashboard lights turn on while driving, now car wont start
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E350 2010 w212. All dashboard lights turn on while driving, now car wont start
Hey all.
Today while i was driving all the warning lights in the dashboard turned on, so i stopped by the side of the road and turned my engine off. After that i have not been able to start my car. I was thinking it must be that my battery has died so i tried to jump start it whit the help of some jumper cables and my friends toyota but nothing....
Anyone ever has this happen, all the dashboard lighting up while driving? I will continue trying to find the fix tomorow and would appreciate any advice on where to start and what to look for.
Today while i was driving all the warning lights in the dashboard turned on, so i stopped by the side of the road and turned my engine off. After that i have not been able to start my car. I was thinking it must be that my battery has died so i tried to jump start it whit the help of some jumper cables and my friends toyota but nothing....
Anyone ever has this happen, all the dashboard lighting up while driving? I will continue trying to find the fix tomorow and would appreciate any advice on where to start and what to look for.
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Did you notice any other suspicious lights BEFORE the sudden xmas tree light show?
Got gaz ?
Did you notice any other suspicious lights BEFORE the sudden xmas tree light show?
Got gaz ?
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Did the diagnostics and and got some alternator faults but the guys at the workshop are saying that my starter must be dead...
Did a baterry test and that is all good. Kind of confused as i dont know that much about cars but looks like im getting a new starter first
Also if my starter would be faulty should i not see that in the diagnostics report? I only get alternatior errors but as i uderstand that dose not effect the start of my car.
Alos got eroors 16F600 and 16F700 but diagnostics guy says these can be ignored for some reason.
Dose all this makes any sense at all?
Did a baterry test and that is all good. Kind of confused as i dont know that much about cars but looks like im getting a new starter first
Also if my starter would be faulty should i not see that in the diagnostics report? I only get alternatior errors but as i uderstand that dose not effect the start of my car.
Alos got eroors 16F600 and 16F700 but diagnostics guy says these can be ignored for some reason.
Dose all this makes any sense at all?
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Did the diagnostics and and got some alternator faults but the guys at the workshop are saying that my starter must be dead...
Did a baterry test and that is all good. Kind of confused as i dont know that much about cars but looks like im getting a new starter first
Also if my starter would be faulty should i not see that in the diagnostics report? I only get alternatior errors but as i uderstand that dose not effect the start of my car.
Alos got eroors 16F600 and 16F700 but diagnostics guy says these can be ignored for some reason.
Dose all this makes any sense at all?
Did a baterry test and that is all good. Kind of confused as i dont know that much about cars but looks like im getting a new starter first
Also if my starter would be faulty should i not see that in the diagnostics report? I only get alternatior errors but as i uderstand that dose not effect the start of my car.
Alos got eroors 16F600 and 16F700 but diagnostics guy says these can be ignored for some reason.
Dose all this makes any sense at all?
- ALTERNATOR faults
- bad starter
- good battery
Can any of this cause your car to stop? Yes, the alternator not charging will bring low voltage warnings before car runs out of power and quit. At that point not enough charge to crank starter but enough for dashboard lights.
I really don't see how a bad starter would cause the car to quit while driving...
The whole point of diagnosing your problem is to not change good parts for no reason.
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I agree with Cali that a bad starter wouldn't cause your car to die while running, but a bad alternator would. Charging up the main battery should allow it to start even if the alternator is bad, so I would start there. I'm wary of jump starting modern cars given all of the electronics, it's possible that the jump start attempt could have create the non-starting issue. Is there any power (headlights, radio, etc.) or is it completely dead?
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Have the shop get underneath and verify your main engine ground and transmission grounds are intact and have clean secure connections on both ends. Exact symptoms our car had after the engine was pulled (yes at the MB dealer) and the dip-sh_t mechanic failed to secure these grounds upon reinstall of the engine. It ran fine for awhile and then was a lights on no-start in the garage. Got the car back again and once again ran fine, but this time it was a chugging death within a mile of home. Dealer finally assigned an Ace mechanic who discovered the blunder, after wasting a ton of his time back probing wiring looms and having the car die on him in his service bay - he put it on the lift and found main engine ground strap completely detached and arcing marks on the transmission where its ground would touch and then move away (it too was unfastened). The dealer had thrown a ton of parts at the car - who would think something so basic was missed... I did end up getting some comp'd service (a lot) done, but we had to live through it and the car was weeks at MB for those 2 no-start and stall no-start events.
Good luck!
Good luck!
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I do not have MB WIS at the moment.
However, I recall that a 2010 W212 still uses pyrofuse at F32 prefuse box, like this PDF attachment by Chief K at this post :
https://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w...ml#post6986858
If that pyrofuse blow, starter is lost and SRS warning will probably be triggered...hence christmas tree at the instrument cluster.
Without 2009-2013 W212 wiring diagram, I can't yet confirm if the non facelift W212 pyrofuse serves both starter and alternator or not.
If you see the PDF, it shows no dedicated big fuse for alternator... so I suspect a tag along to pyrofuse or has no fuse.
For facelift model, pyrofuse is at battery positive post and is a dedicated wire to starter motor. So pyrofuse only serves starter motor.
Alternator has its own dedicated wire and fuse at F32 front prefuse box, terminal MR8.
However, I recall that a 2010 W212 still uses pyrofuse at F32 prefuse box, like this PDF attachment by Chief K at this post :
https://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w...ml#post6986858
If that pyrofuse blow, starter is lost and SRS warning will probably be triggered...hence christmas tree at the instrument cluster.
Without 2009-2013 W212 wiring diagram, I can't yet confirm if the non facelift W212 pyrofuse serves both starter and alternator or not.
If you see the PDF, it shows no dedicated big fuse for alternator... so I suspect a tag along to pyrofuse or has no fuse.
For facelift model, pyrofuse is at battery positive post and is a dedicated wire to starter motor. So pyrofuse only serves starter motor.
Alternator has its own dedicated wire and fuse at F32 front prefuse box, terminal MR8.
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I agree with Cali that a bad starter wouldn't cause your car to die while running, but a bad alternator would. Charging up the main battery should allow it to start even if the alternator is bad, so I would start there. I'm wary of jump starting modern cars given all of the electronics, it's possible that the jump start attempt could have create the non-starting issue. Is there any power (headlights, radio, etc.) or is it completely dead?
Yes the car still has power. Everything seems to be working fine.
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Have the shop get underneath and verify your main engine ground and transmission grounds are intact and have clean secure connections on both ends. Exact symptoms our car had after the engine was pulled (yes at the MB dealer) and the dip-sh_t mechanic failed to secure these grounds upon reinstall of the engine. It ran fine for awhile and then was a lights on no-start in the garage. Got the car back again and once again ran fine, but this time it was a chugging death within a mile of home. Dealer finally assigned an Ace mechanic who discovered the blunder, after wasting a ton of his time back probing wiring looms and having the car die on him in his service bay - he put it on the lift and found main engine ground strap completely detached and arcing marks on the transmission where its ground would touch and then move away (it too was unfastened). The dealer had thrown a ton of parts at the car - who would think something so basic was missed... I did end up getting some comp'd service (a lot) done, but we had to live through it and the car was weeks at MB for those 2 no-start and stall no-start events.
Good luck!
Good luck!
Hey man thx for the tip!
Im going to a friends garage on monday and will lift the car up there and go over everything we can see whitout taking it too much apart.
I do belive that an electricl problem would make the most sense so this sounds like a very possible fault!
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I do not have MB WIS at the moment.
However, I recall that a 2010 W212 still uses pyrofuse at F32 prefuse box, like this PDF attachment by Chief K at this post :
https://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w...ml#post6986858
If that pyrofuse blow, starter is lost and SRS warning will probably be triggered...hence christmas tree at the instrument cluster.
Without 2009-2013 W212 wiring diagram, I can't yet confirm if the non facelift W212 pyrofuse serves both starter and alternator or not.
If you see the PDF, it shows no dedicated big fuse for alternator... so I suspect a tag along to pyrofuse or has no fuse.
For facelift model, pyrofuse is at battery positive post and is a dedicated wire to starter motor. So pyrofuse only serves starter motor.
Alternator has its own dedicated wire and fuse at F32 front prefuse box, terminal MR8.
However, I recall that a 2010 W212 still uses pyrofuse at F32 prefuse box, like this PDF attachment by Chief K at this post :
https://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w...ml#post6986858
If that pyrofuse blow, starter is lost and SRS warning will probably be triggered...hence christmas tree at the instrument cluster.
Without 2009-2013 W212 wiring diagram, I can't yet confirm if the non facelift W212 pyrofuse serves both starter and alternator or not.
If you see the PDF, it shows no dedicated big fuse for alternator... so I suspect a tag along to pyrofuse or has no fuse.
For facelift model, pyrofuse is at battery positive post and is a dedicated wire to starter motor. So pyrofuse only serves starter motor.
Alternator has its own dedicated wire and fuse at F32 front prefuse box, terminal MR8.
I did chage my Ignition relay cuz i saw it was the already changed before so thought that might be it....it wasnt.
Will go over all the fuses just in case and try to find this box if i have one.
Thx for the advice i really appreciate it
Last edited by Papliko; Jul 16, 2022 at 06:15 AM.
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Do u mean you try manually to spin your engine at the crankshaft hub/pulley with a long tool (breaker bar ) and it is stuck not able to spin ?
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Try longer tool to gain torque leverage.
If indeed your engine jammed up, it is a horror story...but if during the warning light christmas tree you hear no funny sound, and engine was turned OFF by you and not suddenly died on its own,
I sure hope your engine is not jammed up.
If indeed your engine jammed up, it is a horror story...but if during the warning light christmas tree you hear no funny sound, and engine was turned OFF by you and not suddenly died on its own,
I sure hope your engine is not jammed up.
