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Old Mar 2, 2024 | 11:13 AM
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Radiator Replacement Options

I have a 2014 with 130k and need to replace the radiator because of a leak. I'm planning to go with OEM, but if anyone has recommendations based on their experience please let me know if there is any better or just as good alternative brands out there that I should consider. After recently replacing my tail light with Depot brand with bad fitment and moisture issues, I regret not going with OEM and don't want to make the same mistake again. I usually order from RockAuto but would like to know if there is a better place to buy from. Is there anything else I should replace along with the radiator for maintenance?
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Old Mar 2, 2024 | 11:34 AM
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I would go with OE.
Once you have part number, you can google it for the best price.
I have really good experience with Husker. but now I see error on the site.
502 Bad Gateway (mbdirectparts.com)
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Old Mar 2, 2024 | 03:35 PM
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CARPARTS dot com is pretty amazing:
Large OE brand selection
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It beats the out-'O-stock supply chain organized chaos.
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Old Mar 3, 2024 | 08:12 AM
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Thanks everyone for the info.

There are two radiators with different part numbers showing up for this car and one is double the price:
204-500-30-03 $815
https://mbparts.mbusa.com/oem-parts/...LXY2LWZsZXg%3D
204-500-36-03 $392
https://mbparts.mbusa.com/oem-parts/...LXY2LWZsZXg%3D

I'm not sure what the difference is between the two and I'm inclined to get the cheaper one if it is a direct replacement for the original. Anyone knows which one to get?
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Old Mar 3, 2024 | 08:17 AM
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And it looks like there are two OE manufacturers for our radiators - Valeo and Nissens.
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Old Mar 3, 2024 | 10:51 AM
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They both are marked as MB brand, what can't be truth. Looks like shoddy advertisement to me, but would they confirm the cheaper is in fact MB-brand - I would go for it.
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Check your car datacard, the expensive radiator is if you car is PZEV emission code 917, whatever that EXACTLY means in terms of component differences to regular car.
PZEV: Partial Zero Emission Vehicle. PZEVs meet SULEV tailpipe emission standards, have zero evaporative emissions and a 15-year/150,000 mile warranty.



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Just replaced the radiator in my E350 a month ago. I wasn't to happy that the original Valeo radiator began leaking with only 80K miles so didn't want to replace with the same brand. Bought a Denso radiator off of Rockauto for $150. Quality and fitment were identical to the original.
Fairly straight forward to replace. Hardest part was wrestling the radiator out through the top. Very tight squeeze.
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Originally Posted by Andreas Zagel
Just replaced the radiator in my E350 a month ago. I wasn't to happy that the original Valeo radiator began leaking with only 80K miles so didn't want to replace with the same brand. Bought a Denso radiator off of Rockauto for $150. Quality and fitment were identical to the original.

Fairly straight forward to replace. Hardest part was wrestling the radiator out through the top. Very tight squeeze.
Check the coolant tank cap isn't preventing venting.

When the engine gets stopped, a lot of internal heat has no place to go but in the coolant that is not guaranteed to circulate through the radiator for cooling. As the coolant gets overheated the whole cooling circuit is then over pressurized.
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Originally Posted by CaliBenzDriver
Check the coolant tank cap isn't preventing venting.

When the engine gets stopped, a lot of internal heat has no place to go but in the coolant that is not guaranteed to circulate through the radiator for cooling. As the coolant gets overheated the whole cooling circuit is then over pressurized.
Interesting, just figured I had a bad quality radiator since it began leaking on the side crimped on section.
Cooling systems are are purposely pressurized to increase the boiling point of the coolant, but vent after about 15 psi. I suppose I would need to install a pressure gauge somewhere to see if it exceeds this pressure.
Is there any easy access point to check this pressure?
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Originally Posted by Andreas Zagel
Interesting, just figured I had a bad quality radiator since it began leaking on the side crimped on section.
Cooling systems are are purposely pressurized to increase the boiling point of the coolant, but vent after about 15 psi. I suppose I would need to install a pressure gauge somewhere to see if it exceeds this pressure.

Is there any easy access point to check this pressure?
Yes, there is an easy access port.
During pressure testing the cap is replaced by the test equipment. This is a hand pump and a low pressure gauge.

The entire cooling system is thus pressure tested for leaks.... minus the cap itself.

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Originally Posted by CaliBenzDriver
Yes, there is an easy access port.
During pressure testing the cap is replaced by the test equipment. This is a hand pump and a low pressure gauge.

The entire cooling system is thus pressure tested for leaks.... minus the cap itself.

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But in this case, it is the cap I need to test for its relief pressure threshold.
Maybe I can use the cooling system pressure tester by only pressurizing the coolant reservoir.
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Originally Posted by Andreas Zagel
But in this case, it is the cap I need to test for its relief pressure threshold.

Maybe I can use the cooling system pressure tester by only pressurizing the coolant reservoir.
Also realize than you can easily over pressurize the cooling system during testing because the pressure relief cap is not in circuit during test...

There is a way of testing the cap itself. The tool cost more than a new vent cap....


The W212 cooling circuit topic is interesting to survey because it involves targeted maintenance. Here are my favorites:
  • super heated cylinders
  • software operated thermostat
  • variable speed radiator fan

Make friend with minor leaks... my perfectly new M276-NA was already leaking from factory. MB dealer was able to assure me everything was normal.
The coolant leak and oily smell are all included at no cost.
So I got used to free leaks instead of leak free.


These engines offer a lot of extreme heat to extract through the coolant circuit alone. This level of heat is associated with the leaking CPS cam sensors.

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The Denso and CSF aftermarket radiators from RockAuto have all fit wonderfully.

Mahle/Behr and/or Valeo are original equipment
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Originally Posted by Andreas Zagel
Just replaced the radiator in my E350 a month ago. I wasn't to happy that the original Valeo radiator began leaking with only 80K miles so didn't want to replace with the same brand. Bought a Denso radiator off of Rockauto for $150. Quality and fitment were identical to the original.
Fairly straight forward to replace. Hardest part was wrestling the radiator out through the top. Very tight squeeze.
I've had good experience with Denso radiator on my other car. I'll look it up and will likely go with that.
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Is there anything else I should replace as preventive maintenance with the radiator?...like any hoses, clamps, etc?
Also, do I need to refill with MB brand coolant or is there anything better out there with same specs that's a good alternate? How much coolant would it require?
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Zerex makes a coolant that meets the specification (blue coolant). Refer to this link:

https://operatingfluids.mercedes-benz.com/

Replacing o-rings is always recommended. I didn't, but my E350 only has 85K miles.

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IMHO replace all the basic stuff that has to be taken apart for the job. Hoses, O-rings, gaskets, clamps if they are really old. The kind of stuff ya dont want blowing out just after ya changed all the coolant for example.
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Here is list if collateral parts:
  1. thermostat unit
  2. coolant cap
  3. serpentine belt kit
  4. oil heat exchanger
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Originally Posted by CaliBenzDriver
Here is list if collateral parts:
  1. thermostat unit
  2. coolant cap
  3. serpentine belt kit
  4. oil heat exchanger
the oil heat exchanger is support important, don't just replace the gasket too, replace the whole thing if you can swing the cash
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Radiator difference between PZEV and regular

FYI, the difference between the radiators is that the PZEV cars have a coating on the radiator that interacts with pollutants in the air to clean the air that passes through the radiator. Nifty! Except not so nifty - to ensure that ONLY a radiator with that coating it used, there is an extra sensor on the radiator that tells the cars computer that the right radiator is in there. Put the regular radiator in instead, and it will work just fine, but you will have a perpetual check engine light on. And of course, nobody makes aftermarket PZEV radiators for these cars (or in my case, a PZEV BMW that uses the same system), so hold onto your wallet, $800+ for the silly thing.

As a data point, I just finished changing the transmission fluid in my car and discovered a minor radiator leak at 88K miles. Sigh. German plastic, got to love it... Thankfully, my wagon is NOT a PZEV car, and a thank you to the couple of folks here who have reported that the $140 Denso radiator is just fine. I will be ordering one of those.

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Originally Posted by kevinr1916
FYI, the difference between the radiators is that the PZEV cars have a coating on the radiator that interacts with pollutants in the air to clean the air that passes through the radiator. Nifty! Except not so nifty - to ensure that ONLY a radiator with that coating it used, there is an extra sensor on the radiator that tells the cars computer that the right radiator is in there. Put the regular radiator in instead, and it will work just fine, but you will have a perpetual check engine light on. And of course, nobody makes aftermarket PZEV radiators for these cars (or in my case, a PZEV BMW that uses the same system), so hold onto your wallet, $800+ for the silly thing.

As a data point, I just finished changing the transmission fluid in my car and discovered a minor radiator leak at 88K miles. Sigh. German plastic, got to love it... Thankfully, my wagon is NOT a PZEV car, and a thank you to the couple of folks here who have reported that the $140 Denso radiator is just fine. I will be ordering one of those.

-Kevin

Very good info, thank u
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