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Old Oct 25, 2024 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by CaliBenzDriver
That good news for now.

Decide if you want to revisit soon or replace Bk1In now and be done!

Perhaps Bk-1 was worked on and owner got tired of all the milkin'

Bk-1 has the worst job driving the dry HPFP... it goes first.
So now I need to replace that b2 vvt gear.. could this be causing the misfire as well? I guess I’ll tackle the job, any idea of parts needed so I can order before doing anything?
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Old Oct 25, 2024 | 02:47 PM
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So now I need to replace that b2 vvt gear.. could this be causing the misfire as well?
I guess I’ll tackle the job, any idea of parts needed so I can order before doing anything?
Here is your part list:
  1. VVT intake gear(s)
  2. Tensioners B1+B2 (diff. PN)
  3. ​​​​​​fasteners kit with RTV
  4. 4X CPS.
  5. 4x CPS pigtails
  6. 4x VVT-Solenoid pigtails
  7. ...

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Old Oct 25, 2024 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Tdavid1
here are the timing marks as well, seem ok? Well if the timing isn’t off, what the hell is causing the misfire!!!


It's kind 'o obvious but still good to note while rushing through:

​​​​​​This shows gears are properly driven on time.
means the chain/ teeth not jumped/stretched.

It doesn't mean good VVT gears
it doesn't mean good camshaft reluctor
it doesn't mean good tensioners

This position with timing marks aligned is good to check/work on fixing your reluctor wheels without popping valve cover camshaft out...


This is ready to become a good chassis under your watch!


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Old Oct 25, 2024 | 03:21 PM
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That bolt holding the vvt gear requires a special tool?
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Old Oct 25, 2024 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Tdavid1
That bolt holding the vvt gear requires a special tool?

Proper tools: T100, camshaft holding tools, and camshaft reluctor alignment tool
An example, I do not own it

https://www.amazon.com/Yuesstloo-Alignment-Camshaft-Adjuster-Compatible/dp/B0CWNNSH77/ref=asc_df_B0CWNNSH77/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=693747049168&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1781546004893551948&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9059132&hvtargid=pla-2304210131417&psc=1&mcid=f98dd21778903020a6a0ea99268b5952 https://www.amazon.com/Yuesstloo-Alignment-Camshaft-Adjuster-Compatible/dp/B0CWNNSH77/ref=asc_df_B0CWNNSH77/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=693747049168&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1781546004893551948&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9059132&hvtargid=pla-2304210131417&psc=1&mcid=f98dd21778903020a6a0ea99268b5952

Here is another tool I had not seen before for the M276 (seen it for other engine though), but it was mentioned in a Facebook group recently


It locks the gears in place while the tools is bolted on the chain tensioner location.

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/32568...yAdapt=glo2usa

Another tool


https://www.aliexpress.us/item/32568...Cquery_from%3A

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Old Oct 25, 2024 | 03:45 PM
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This may be helpful. On my C350 with the M276 3.5L NA engine, the Left Cylinder Bank (Bank #2) Intake Camshaft is actually near the upper limit for its position. It's still within boundaries, but barely. Still, the car runs fine.

JR! thank you for this interesting live screen cap.


I think your B1Intake is unlocked and ECU has barely enough pressure to drive HPFP with timely positioned camshaft.
Meaning you're in-between in an already improved spot!

Enough pressure to not chew the lock pin all the time and not a whole lot to drive the dry HPFP hard pump shaft.

At any rate, being unlocked you are on the virtuous end towards smother pressure without jerky steps.

We have a lot to learn on experimental journey. Better viscosity is the winner for hydraulics.


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Old Oct 25, 2024 | 07:12 PM
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Parts canon is being loaded boys!


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Old Oct 25, 2024 | 07:44 PM
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Fast parts delivery's always nice for no waiting on progress.

I wouldn't skip the oily CPS that can soak Lambdas with oil.


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Old Oct 25, 2024 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by CaliBenzDriver
Fast parts delivery's always nice for no waiting on progress.

I wouldn't skip the oily CPS that can soak Lambdas with oil.
picking those up tomorrow
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Old Oct 25, 2024 | 09:58 PM
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picking those up tomorrow
be sure to get those wiring harness extensions from Amazon. You will want to add those.
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Old Oct 28, 2024 | 02:43 PM
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I just put the cam adjuster in but not very confident in timing. Everything seems to line up but I tightened the tensioner and noticed the crank moved a little past 40 degrees. I turned the crank a few times and the timing marks are still in the same position. How does it look to you guys?

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setting VVT timing...

the marks are ligned up +/- 1 tooth from crank position - - It must be right but is about 1/8" exact...

VVT Gears timing marks
Your valves cleared during 1st initial turn



Bk1: I honestly don't see marks...


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Old Oct 28, 2024 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by CaliBenzDriver
the marks are ligned up +/- 1 tooth from crank position - - It must be right but is about 1/8" exact...

VVT Gears timing marks
Your valves cleared during 1st revolution
So I should be fine?
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Old Oct 28, 2024 | 03:41 PM
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I can’t see the tooth mark on the left adjuster in the top pic…is it just the lighting/angle?
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Old Oct 28, 2024 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Tdavid1
So I should be fine?
Originally Posted by Jaybird123
I can’t see the tooth mark on the left adjuster in the top pic…is it just the lighting/angle?

here’s a better pic
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TIMING MARKS...


Bk2 intake alignment


Bk2 intake VVT on time

We're only setting Bk2 intake, other timing marks can be used as witnesses.

comparing drawing with picture...
looks good from here.

triple-check for the sake of engine cost.
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Old Oct 28, 2024 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Tdavid1
I just put the cam adjuster in but not very confident in timing. Everything seems to line up but I tightened the tensioner and noticed the crank moved a little past 40 degrees. I turned the crank a few times and the timing marks are still in the same position. How does it look to you guys?

Q: did you take a photo of the camshaft w/o the gear? To see if the laser marks of the tone wheel were aligned with the cam?
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NOT TIMED

Bk2 exhaust.... looks off !!


exhaust marks

You know camshaft can get forced by valves... you had chain tension released during intake gear out... I think your exhaust camshaft walked fwd (that's exactly why engine needs new tensioners not limping!)

Go to town on your Bk2 timing marks.
I think exhaust should point at the nearby tensioner nut, right?
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Old Oct 28, 2024 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by CaliBenzDriver
think is Bk2 exhaust.... looks off !!


exhaut marks

You know camshaft can get forced by valves... you had chain tension released during intake gear out... I think your exhaust camshaft walked fwd (that's exactly why engine needs strong tensioners not limped!)

Go to town on your Bk2 timing marks.
I think exhaust should point at the nearby tensioner nut, right?
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It seems timed for Bk1, i.e. pointing to the opposite bolt of the chain tensioner.
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Bk1... WALKED OFF TIME ?!?!

It looks like Bk1 exhaust a little late as well as intake, as if crank not exactly on marks, right?


exhaust should be lower...

B1 intake may be seen on time: ok
B1 exhaust I can't see it being on time...


+++ Meaning exhaust camshaft may very well have walked when it was worked on during the previous ownership...

now is a good time to fix this it right.

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Was the chain removed or just the tensioner replaced?
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Well, I got the job done and started the car. It ran and sounded great.. for about 5 min. Same Cylinder 1 misfire is back..


here’s a video of my live data, please let me know if you see any that may be causing this..
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LEAN MISFIRE....

Here is what I picked up...


Bk1-LTFT -23


Bk2-LTFT: -26

So your known good Cyl.1 has an excuse to misfire on lean mixtures.

Did your camshafts get timed well?
Still no extra faults, just Cyl.1 right?

At this point, I'd check timing through CPS ports.
This will validate that Bk2 reluctor and 4x VVT are all on cue.

Previous shop went after in-tank fuel pump when job was VVT and we can guess 95% chance they only did Bk1 because Bk2 was still failed. Bank1 looked out of time.

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Originally Posted by CaliBenzDriver
Here is what I picked up...


Bk1-LTFT -23


Bk2-LTFT: -26

So your known good Cyl.1 has an excuse to misfire on lean mixtures.

Did your camshafts get timed well?
Still no extra faults, just Cyl.1 right?

At this point, I'd check timing through CPS ports.
This will validate that Bk2 reluctor and 4x VVT are all on cue.
Checked timing through cps ports.. all look good
No faults just the same cylinder 1 comes back after a few minutes
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Checked timing through cps ports.. all look good
No faults just the same cylinder 1 comes back after a few minutes
> there are not too many good reasons engine is burning rich to cause a super lean LTFT... timings being one.

-- I am going to trust your timing work and checks.
RELUCTOR not a joke...

-- I am sure you did reset ECU that triggered it to relearn fuel map yet back to square-1.

-- Your failed CPS have been replaced.

-- Your Lambda/ECU are not yet soaked in engine oil.
They are surely not failed because no DTC!

-- I do not think you have an injector issue as both LTFT track one another.

> For all practical purpose you have too much fuel Qty so you may not have enough air: MAP is not faulty so air filter, valve blockage...



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