Chasing Mercedes E350 Misfire
Did you say you replaced your HPFP?




Can injector 1 be blocked, and ECU increases amount uniformly -> too rich because #1 is clogged?
Recall West's clogged fuel rail at cyl 1? Someone polluted the fuel rail?
Just a guess
Last edited by JettaRed; Oct 28, 2024 at 11:02 PM. Reason: Corrected engine designation
It's apparent that there is a fuel delivery or monitoring problem, and you seem to have addressed the more probable problems. Apparently, the previous owner was also having fueling problems. Otherwise, why replace the in-tank pump and filters?
It's apparent that there is a fuel delivery or monitoring problem, and you seem to have addressed the more probable problems. Apparently, the previous owner was also having fueling problems. Otherwise, why replace the in-tank pump and filters?




It's apparent that there is a fuel delivery or monitoring problem, and you seem to have addressed the more probable problems. Apparently, the previous owner was also having fueling problems. Otherwise, why replace the in-tank pump and filters?
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If your fuel trims were limited to only one bank, then maybe a bad injector, etc. But since both banks are having excessive fuel, I would look closely at what affects both banks: HPFP, ECU, ???




Then, if the roller lifter of the HPFP is damaged it would mean not proper fuel delivery (but this would go to all cylinders). This should show in the fuel rail pressure. Can the scanner OP use read that?




We could focus on...:
HPFP duty cycle
VVT gear PWM solenoid activity
CPS positions
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Xentry won't give us codes the ECU has not flagged but will give us data to doctor wicked condition.

Last edited by CaliBenzDriver; Oct 28, 2024 at 10:21 PM.
Then, if the roller lifter of the HPFP is damaged it would mean not proper fuel delivery (but this would go to all cylinders). This should show in the fuel rail pressure. Can the scanner OP use read that?




just have an Autel scanner




Depending on being at idle or WOT or light load.
If WOT or deeper accelerator pedal, it will be reduced to approx 150 BAR as certain high enough throttle body opening.
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All above from a single log.
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This is from another log. WOT event
Hope this data helps
Last edited by S-Prihadi; Oct 29, 2024 at 04:49 AM.
Depending on being at idle or WOT or light load.
If WOT or deeper accelerator pedal, it will be reduced to approx 150 BAR as certain high enough throttle body opening.
.
.
.
.
.
All above from a single log.
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This is from another log. WOT event
Hope this data helps




AA. The combustion control for AFR is done by two sensors : B17 Intake Air Temperature Sensor and B28/7 Pressure Sensor downstream of throttle body, we call this as MAP ( manifold absolute pressure sensor )
BB. The VERIFICATION of AFR is done by the front wide band o2 sensors.
AA assumed that the injectors are injecting fuel properly in terms of spray pattern, open and close at the proper time ( quantity ) as per command by the ECM and the COP is also firing properly and Ignition timing is also proper.
AA and BB work together, when in CLOSED LOOP.
BB or front 02 sensors are ignored when in OPEN LOOP, as the ECM is using the prepared fuel MAP in its memory/database.
What if-s :
01. What if the AA sensors are not showing actual true value, particularly the B28/7 Pressure - MAP ?
To test it, at least in reference to ambient air pressure is easy. to test it full pressure spectrum you need more special tools.
Test at ambient atmospheric pressure : Engine OFF, Ignition Key ON, read the Manifold Absolute Pressure, it should be within 3% of your actual barometric pressure of your car location/garage.
If you have a hand vacuum pump and assortment of clear hoses, you can suck the sensor with vacuum pump to the hand pump maximum capability and check the pressure
as read by scanner vs the analog needle gauge of the hand vacuum pump. Not the most accurate, but if B28/7 can't read to 29 inch HG, that is an alarm bell.
The B17 Intake Air Temperature Sensor is easy to test, current room temperature and use hair drier gently.
02. What if the front o2 wide band sensors reading wrong ? Its service life is supposedly 100,000 miles and 15 years in non racing application. It is a Bosch LSU4.9.
https://www.boschautoparts.com/docum...20Brochure.pdf
The only way to know or test is to go to an Emission Test center, where their unit has Lambda sensor too. Go and compare.
BTW, now is a good time to renew all 4 o2 sensors anyway. Yours have hit the mileage and 10 years being blown by exhaust gases at up to 900C is a severe working condition.

03. What if the High Pressure Fuel Sensor and Temperature sensor is out of calibration ? This is called B4/25
You can only test at ambient pressure if it is reading proper ambient pressure or not. Can't test full spectrum pressure without special bench tester.
Read here, mine drifted 7 BAR when supposedly at zero BAR.
https://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w...re-sensor.html
04. What is the High Pressure Fuel pump Quantity Valve is not operating properly ? This is called Y94
If the B4/25 high press fuel sensor is good from a known good sensor, pressure reading while under load like my log can tell if Y94 is bad or not.
So, there you go............ AA and BB components are the one you must verify.



