Can't find clear answer: does the US get E400?
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Not sure what MBUSA is smoking, but not having the E400 is a glaring omission IMO. I think the entire E-Class lineup will change again for 2018 when the new I6s come online. The E300 will remain the same, but the E400 will get a new I6 with about 367hp and the E43 will become the E55 with 490hp. That is what the rumors are now. Thing is the E400 is needed NOW. I know MBUSA has to see this, so I'm hoping they're smarter than that and they have something else planned for early next year. They have to see this because they're offering the E400 wagon here next year! No way was the only wagon going to be a 4-cylinder! I can see 2018 being: E300, E400, E55 and E63. 241hp to 612hp.
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Keep in mind the E400 offered is with the current V6tt. Maybe the I6 would conflict with V6 during the same model year, knowing the legal ramifications in the US with some vulture law firms.
My wife is waiting until next Spring to order the E400 I6 4M Cab for delivery in Sept. 2017. I was told the 4M is coming to the Cab and that is good news for us in the great white north.
My wife is waiting until next Spring to order the E400 I6 4M Cab for delivery in Sept. 2017. I was told the 4M is coming to the Cab and that is good news for us in the great white north.
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That has nothing to do with it. Car marker aren't bound by any laws as to what engines to sell from year to year. They can sell an I6, V6, etc all at the same time.
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Mercedes is completely ****ing up the launch of this car with only the 4 cylinder. They should at least have launched with an E300 and E400. They should skip the E43 (from what I can tell it's going to have a super short life given delayed launch, and timing of upcoming I6 engine). Instead of e43, just go straight to the 490hp E55 along with the 600hp E63.
But launching the car without a 6 cylinder model, when the best selling car of the current gen is the E400 is just dumb.
I asked my dealer what they are pitching to people rolling off E400 leases, and he said that most want another 6 cylinder, so to these people they are pitching the C43. This indicates some degree of the problem they face.
But launching the car without a 6 cylinder model, when the best selling car of the current gen is the E400 is just dumb.
I asked my dealer what they are pitching to people rolling off E400 leases, and he said that most want another 6 cylinder, so to these people they are pitching the C43. This indicates some degree of the problem they face.
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Canadians are not as litigious and we are getting an E400 3.0L V6TT and you are not. Draw your own conclusions.
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It is a naked money grab. Nothing else pure and simple. USA is Mercedes biggest market.
It is like in the old days when Porsche would come out with a Turbo S or GTS 3 to 4 years late in the 911 product cycle
These S and GTS models were simple to use up all the inventory parts that customers didn't buy by fully optioning their cars with silly options like power kits, ceramic brakes, sound system, forged wheels, etc.
Mercedes is doing the same thing with the AMG E43
They know that 90 degree V6 is a piece of garbage (should have been a 60 degree V6 like the Lexus and Toyota V6 all along)
But they need to get rid of all the parts for the old V6 even though they know the new inline 6 is vastly superior in every aspect.
So the roll out this lame turbo 4 from the GLA and C class.
Six months later those customers that want performance are lured in by this sexy AMG E43 with 333 hp and this crappy 90 degrees lame sounding V6
8 months later they will roll out the 400 hp inline 6 and the 450 hp and 500 hp plus 4 liter V8 (detuned) from the AMG GTS
What do they tell those suckers that fell for the 333 hp E43?
"Trade it in"
It is like in the old days when Porsche would come out with a Turbo S or GTS 3 to 4 years late in the 911 product cycle
These S and GTS models were simple to use up all the inventory parts that customers didn't buy by fully optioning their cars with silly options like power kits, ceramic brakes, sound system, forged wheels, etc.
Mercedes is doing the same thing with the AMG E43
They know that 90 degree V6 is a piece of garbage (should have been a 60 degree V6 like the Lexus and Toyota V6 all along)
But they need to get rid of all the parts for the old V6 even though they know the new inline 6 is vastly superior in every aspect.
So the roll out this lame turbo 4 from the GLA and C class.
Six months later those customers that want performance are lured in by this sexy AMG E43 with 333 hp and this crappy 90 degrees lame sounding V6
8 months later they will roll out the 400 hp inline 6 and the 450 hp and 500 hp plus 4 liter V8 (detuned) from the AMG GTS
What do they tell those suckers that fell for the 333 hp E43?
"Trade it in"
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I actually had a deposit for an E Class but changed my mind after the pathetic Honda Accord 4 cylinder turbo was debut as the base engine on roll out.
I am now waiting for the 2017/ 2018 Mercedes CLS which I hope will come with either the inline 6 or V8 as a CLS 550 option
It is a disgrace that the illustrious E Class is being released with a 4 cylinder
That's like releasing a Porsche 911 with a flat four cylinder and calling it a Carrera S
This MPG thing has gone way too far
I am now waiting for the 2017/ 2018 Mercedes CLS which I hope will come with either the inline 6 or V8 as a CLS 550 option
It is a disgrace that the illustrious E Class is being released with a 4 cylinder
That's like releasing a Porsche 911 with a flat four cylinder and calling it a Carrera S
This MPG thing has gone way too far
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My dealer acts like "he has no idea" that the inline 6 cylinders are coming. He told me the "torque in the 4 cylinder is the same as the old V6"
So I can go 0 to 60 faster but them have my engine wheeze and struggle to pull 4000 pounds once I get to 75 mph going up a steep hill?
So I can go 0 to 60 faster but them have my engine wheeze and struggle to pull 4000 pounds once I get to 75 mph going up a steep hill?
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It may matter if they change the engine midyear. Same model year, same price and a lesser propulsion system would cause some dissatisfaction and we all know that is all the reason the legal system needs for a lawsuit in the USA.
Canadians are not as litigious and we are getting an E400 3.0L V6TT and you are not. Draw your own conclusions.
Canadians are not as litigious and we are getting an E400 3.0L V6TT and you are not. Draw your own conclusions.
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Mercedes is completely ****ing up the launch of this car with only the 4 cylinder. They should at least have launched with an E300 and E400. They should skip the E43 (from what I can tell it's going to have a super short life given delayed launch, and timing of upcoming I6 engine). Instead of e43, just go straight to the 490hp E55 along with the 600hp E63.
But launching the car without a 6 cylinder model, when the best selling car of the current gen is the E400 is just dumb.
I asked my dealer what they are pitching to people rolling off E400 leases, and he said that most want another 6 cylinder, so to these people they are pitching the C43. This indicates some degree of the problem they face.
But launching the car without a 6 cylinder model, when the best selling car of the current gen is the E400 is just dumb.
I asked my dealer what they are pitching to people rolling off E400 leases, and he said that most want another 6 cylinder, so to these people they are pitching the C43. This indicates some degree of the problem they face.
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I feel bad for anyone whose lease is ending before the other engine options are available. Those who own, not lease, can wait it out if they want to. Though I suppose the vast majority of leasing E350 drivers will be happy with the E300 and get a 2017. However, a minority of them along with those leasing E400 and E550 models will end up switching to other brands to get the power options they want.
I guess I am used to manufacturers doing facelifts or special editions in the middle of a market cycle. Some are very predictable so you can plan on it. I can appreciate that strategy to give leasing buyers a reason to get another one before a major refresh. But this definitely feels incomplete to launch with one option. They look like they are not ready, rather than savvy. Perhaps this is typical for MB and I am not used to it.
I guess I am used to manufacturers doing facelifts or special editions in the middle of a market cycle. Some are very predictable so you can plan on it. I can appreciate that strategy to give leasing buyers a reason to get another one before a major refresh. But this definitely feels incomplete to launch with one option. They look like they are not ready, rather than savvy. Perhaps this is typical for MB and I am not used to it.
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I think Mercedes is waiting for the new engines to put in a 6 cylinder into the E-class. The new E right now is for people looking for a bigger C-class. Or people who just want the status symbol of a Mercedes.
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"Illustrious E Class"... the car used as a taxi elsewhere in the world. It's a wonderful car, but who is buying an E class for status?
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Of course they can but that does not mean there will not be litigation. When was the last time MB replaced an engine mid year? Don't confuse replacing with offering and extra engine mid year.
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2017 E 400 Wagon
The 2017 E wagon will come as a E 400. The wagon can be ordered in September for December delivery. This is contained in an email from the Central sales representative from Mercedes.
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It may matter if they change the engine midyear. Same model year, same price and a lesser propulsion system would cause some dissatisfaction and we all know that is all the reason the legal system needs for a lawsuit in the USA.
Canadians are not as litigious and we are getting an E400 3.0L V6TT and you are not. Draw your own conclusions.
Canadians are not as litigious and we are getting an E400 3.0L V6TT and you are not. Draw your own conclusions.
That being said, I am absolutely stunned that this is the only engine variant they released upon model launch.
