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PFL205.064 with M276.823 (Oil pump solenoid defeated)
Originally Posted by chassis
Keep it. It’s one of the most reliable MBs there is. M276 engine is a keeper. Wife loves the car. What more reason do you need?
Buy a third party extended warranty if you lean that way. I would go without a third party warranty.
Agree about the engine being a reliable, these wagons are also getting increasingly rare.
OP, these cars are generally reliable if you are worried yes a third party warranty if not you can put that warranty money into a savings account and earn some interest then pull it out to pay for any repairs.
I personally too would go without a MB warranty or third party warranty, just like forum member chassis.
PFL205.064 with M276.823 (Oil pump solenoid defeated)
Originally Posted by mungojerie
Thanks. Third party warranty is $7,500 for 30 months from Endurance. 24 more months with MB is $10,000.
Forum sponsor Highline-Autos.com offers third party warranty, I have no experience personally with them but I do hear good things about them from around the forums. You could ask them and see if it is the right one for you.
You have one of those rare MB wagon
Its a 400
Car has been reliable
Wife loves it
All scheduled maintenance done to date
Wife loves it!
You love it
Car has not been abused
Wife loves it
So what am I missing here? Dang it, keep the car and don’t sweat the little stuff. If worried about expensive repairs down the road, put aside $$ or buy an extended warranty. Life’s too short…
ps: I am currently driving an MB with a 6-cyl and 120,000+ miles and counting. Nothing to worry about. Car drives like brand new despite its 12 years of service. Well maintained and well cared for… and no extended warranty beyond CPO many thousands of miles ago…
2019 E 450, 2016 E350 4matic (retired), 2018 Ford Edge Sport, 2008 Porsche Boxster
Just my thoughts and $.02.
My 2019 E450 has an extended warranty, MB not a third party, through December 2025. At that time it will have almost 60,000 miles. It will also need new tires, $1900.
My car has not been trouble free: Twice for abrupt shifting and a new exhaust system. The transmission was sorted out by a software update, but maybe not? I will see over the next 30 days.
So what to do.
If I lease a new one, monthly payments will be about $1200/$1300 a month.
In six months I will have paid no less than $7,000 in lease payments. So if I keep the car, if I go the first 6 months out of warranty, I have $5,000 in my pocket ($7,000 less the new tires) to apply towards any repair.
I really love my car when it is running. Buttons instead of touch screen. Wood instead of plastic and the V6 is reliable.
If you're leaning towards keeping, you can contact me at the contact information below for en example contract that explains coverage, repairs accepted at all Mercedes-Benz dealerships and licensed independents in the US/Canada.
No need to make ponzi scheme payments to third party insurance.
Keep the car, save your money for any future repairs (if any).
I agree. If the car has been trouble-free, don't bother with an expensive extended warranty. $7500 or $10k will pay for a lot of repairs. Just avoid the dealer if problems arise.
Lastly, if the vehicle has no lein… conversation over. She is a keeper.
these are my personal favorites to travel long distances in. Better than an S class cross country distances by far. Maybe not as smooth of a ride. But you wont be fatigued.
i have done Houston to Chicago in both several times.
Small wrinkle (but our CPO might help): on our road trip last week, I started hearing a hissing sound on the driver's side.
I can't tell if it is coming from the seat or the door, or what. what could it be? the hissing starts... stops... then restarts a few seconds later. it will cycle like this for a few minutes then go away for awhile. after quite some time, it will all start over again. My guess is it's the active multi-contour seat..?
Agree about the engine being a reliable, these wagons are also getting increasingly rare.
OP, these cars are generally reliable if you are worried yes a third party warranty if not you can put that warranty money into a savings account and earn some interest then pull it out to pay for any repairs.
I personally too would go without a MB warranty or third party warranty, just like forum member chassis.
We all like "new stuff", but in reality the sales tax, license fees, etc. on a new car, AND the $ equivalent of an extended warranty would likely cover the cost of any repair for the foreseeable future. Wagons (estates) are holding their value better than sedans, and aren't reporting major reliability issues. If you would be looking at another CPO, trying to replace the features you love, like the seats, may be difficult. One caveat is that you don't mention the mileage (or did I miss that?)
I have a 2017 E400 Luxury edition, love everything about the car, comfort, ride space and it's certainly fast enough to get me trouble. I intend to keep it till it falls apart. I have 77,000 miles on it now.
Trouble free - yes and no - front sensor wiring harness connectors got corroded and had to be replaced, of course 60 days after my CPO ended, dealer offered no help. cost about $800 - so not terrible and I cracked a rim which was another $800. again, not terrible.
a 2017 E400 with 70 to 90,000 miles has now value of about $24 to $31,000, so they have lost approx. 60 to 70% of their MSRP, so most of the value is gone - so why not keep it if you both still love the wagon.
My wife drives a 2010 ML350 with 81000 miles and I don't we have spent more than $3000 on repairs in the 14 years we owned it, I had a 2008 CLK350 Convertible that I drive till 110,000 miles that had zero repairs in the 5 years I owned it - only traded it because the car wouldn't go anywhere in a dusting of snow and Mercedes e convertibles did not have 4 Matic in 2013.
What you have ask yourself is - to replace your car as spec will be about 85 to 95 grand - finance the balance and you are going to spend a lot over $10,000 a year for the next 5 years - that's a lot of repairs! or save the money and take your wife on a nice vacation!!!!
Been married of over 45 years and I vote on the vacation!! and maybe stay married.
PFL205.064 with M276.823 (Oil pump solenoid defeated)
Originally Posted by Cao Black
We all like "new stuff", but in reality the sales tax, license fees, etc. on a new car, AND the $ equivalent of an extended warranty would likely cover the cost of any repair for the foreseeable future. Wagons (estates) are holding their value better than sedans, and aren't reporting major reliability issues. If you would be looking at another CPO, trying to replace the features you love, like the seats, may be difficult. One caveat is that you don't mention the mileage (or did I miss that?)
We may keep it. We once owned a 2008 Cayenne and the engine died 2 weeks after buying it, so I've been hurt by unwarrantied cars.
Thought at moment is either keep it, or switch to CPO X5 or similar from around 2021. We still have a monthly payment on the E400, but the car is worth more than the loan balance, so we potentially lower the payment while avoiding major repair costs.
We may keep it. We once owned a 2008 Cayenne and the engine died 2 weeks after buying it, so I've been hurt by unwarrantied cars.
Thought at moment is either keep it, or switch to CPO X5 or similar from around 2021. We still have a monthly payment on the E400, but the car is worth more than the loan balance, so we potentially lower the payment while avoiding major repair costs.
It sounds like you are not comfortable owning a vehicle out of warranty based on the Cayenne experience, is this correct?
It sounds like you are not comfortable owning a vehicle out of warranty based on the Cayenne experience, is this correct?
Pretty much. A CPO brings me piece of mind largely b/c the dealer was willing to certify in the first place. And then the service on top of it. This car only had one minor issue (liftgate needed reset) so I certainly did not see the warranty "pay for itself" in repair costs, outside of my assumption that we avoided them in the first place b/c the car got certified.
Pretty much. A CPO brings me piece of mind largely b/c the dealer was willing to certify in the first place. And then the service on top of it. This car only had one minor issue (liftgate needed reset) so I certainly did not see the warranty "pay for itself" in repair costs, outside of my assumption that we avoided them in the first place b/c the car got certified.
A CPO car is just a used car with a warranty. Warranties are huge money makers. A dealer is willing to certify it because it raises the price they can sell it for with a significant chance that they will never lose money due to a warranty claim. A warranty is a gamble where you are the player and the warranty company is the house. The house always wins. Yeah, you may get "lucky" and come out ahead but that means to do that, your car has to have some issue that cost a lot of money to fix and is covered in the warranty. I'm not saying you shouldn't get a warranty any more than I'm saying don't bet red. But don't confuse a CPO with anything other than what it is. A used car with a warranty. The certification is BS and is nothing more than an inspection with maybe some minor repairs. If it needs extensive repairs then I'm betting they just auction it off. So at best you are getting a car that didn't need expensive repairs at the time you buy it. A year later and it could be different story. That fear is why many get a warranty but the warranty companies are betting that your car will be fine for the term of the warranty or better yet for them, that the issue is not covered in the warranty and they can deny the claim.
Warranties are and will always be a scam to enrich the issuer against the buyer. It wins bcos of “fear”. Fear is such a negative emotion that paralyzes and makes people decide on things based out of such feeling. Life often follows Murphy’s Law - if it could go wrong, it probably will.
I once bought a crappy old 1984 Chrysler Plymouth Reliant (yeah, u gotta go way back to even remember such car) that died within 2 months. As a student, that was painful. Thankfully I paid cash so no long term car payments to dog me. Should I swear off Chrysler for ever bcos of one bad experience? Of course not.
I have an out of warranty MB and won’t spend one dime buying a warranty for it. Take good care of your car, in return it will take care of you, is my auto mantra.
OP, do what feels best to you. It’s your money afterall. It is just sad if/when people allow fear to drive their financial decisions…
2019 E 450, 2016 E350 4matic (retired), 2018 Ford Edge Sport, 2008 Porsche Boxster
Originally Posted by Povitica3
Warranties are and will always be a scam to enrich the issuer against the buyer. It wins bcos of “fear”. Fear is such a negative emotion that paralyzes and makes people decide on things based out of such feeling. Life often follows Murphy’s Law - if it could go wrong, it probably will.
I once bought a crappy old 1984 Chrysler Plymouth Reliant (yeah, u gotta go way back to even remember such car) that died within 2 months. As a student, that was painful. Thankfully I paid cash so no long term car payments to dog me. Should I swear off Chrysler for ever bcos of one bad experience? Of course not.
I have an out of warranty MB and won’t spend one dime buying a warranty for it. Take good care of your car, in return it will take care of you, is my auto mantra.
OP, do what feels best to you. It’s your money afterall. It is just sad if/when people allow fear to drive their financial decisions…
Generally speaking I agree with you: warranties are a form of very expensive insurance, and we all know that insurance companies over the short and long run make money. But even knowing that I have insurance on my home.
On the other hand, where repairs are reasonable, for example my Ford Edge, I did not bother with a warranty.
My 2019 E450 is a different cat: I always leased so as to always have a car under the manufacturer's warranty. When the lease ended I had the choice of buying it and financing through MBFS, 2.9% monthly payment for 36 months $1285, or lease a new one, 36 months 10K miles per year $1215 per month. To me this was a no brainer: I bought my car: it still had one year left under the warranty. As the warranty was about to end, I decided to buy an extended bumper to bumper warranty from Mercedes for $2200, three years 75K miles. I went from worrying about the next major repair to enjoying my car.
FWIW, I have had the entire exhaust replaced, $2400 and the transmission reprogrammed. The ELW paid for itself and then some for these two repairs.
06-17-2024, 05:39 PM
