B-Pillar
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B-Pillar
I have a 2018 E400 Coupé which I absolutely love. The one gripe I have is the lack of B Pillar. It makes the car look great especially with the windows down (which by the way never happens, except for when taking pictures of the car) My complaint is I get a lot of road noise from there. Is that normal or is it just a bad seal on my car? Also, would anyone know if the S coupé with double pane windows has the same problem?
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Help me understand... You consciously buy a COUPE, which by definition has no B-Pillar like that in a sedan. And you now "gripe" that it doesn't have a B-Pillar?
In my 50-years of driving, I've owned five, 2-door coupes. Yes, they look cool when all the windows are down, and in my coupes, the windows were down more often than up.
But the lack of a window frame means that a coupe is inherently noisier than a sedan. Noise at the rear seal is the least one can expect. Many coupes have air leaks all around the front windows.
I've made a couple expensive mistakes before, but not a $65,000-$75,000 mistake...
In my 50-years of driving, I've owned five, 2-door coupes. Yes, they look cool when all the windows are down, and in my coupes, the windows were down more often than up.
But the lack of a window frame means that a coupe is inherently noisier than a sedan. Noise at the rear seal is the least one can expect. Many coupes have air leaks all around the front windows.
I've made a couple expensive mistakes before, but not a $65,000-$75,000 mistake...
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[QUOTE=DFWdude;8090309]Help me understand... You consciously buy a COUPE, which by definition has no B-Pillar like that in a sedan. And you now "gripe" that it doesn't have a B-Pillar?
In my 50-years of driving, I've owned five, 2-door coupes. Yes, they look cool when all the windows are down, and in my coupes, the windows were down more often than up.
But the lack of a window frame means that a coupe is inherently noisier than a sedan. Noise at the rear seal is the least one can expect. Many coupes have air leaks all around the front windows.
I've made a couple expensive mistakes before, but not a $65,000-$75,000 mistake...[/QUOT
It's just a bit of road noise,I'm not noticing wind noise. Calm down..I always visit forums of my cars or motorbikes and usually get good information from them, but this is a very rude forum.
By the way, very few coupés have no B pillar. I dought very much your 5 had no B pillar.
I've been driving for 48 years, along the way I did learn a bit about cars but also learned a bit about being sociable.
In my 50-years of driving, I've owned five, 2-door coupes. Yes, they look cool when all the windows are down, and in my coupes, the windows were down more often than up.
But the lack of a window frame means that a coupe is inherently noisier than a sedan. Noise at the rear seal is the least one can expect. Many coupes have air leaks all around the front windows.
I've made a couple expensive mistakes before, but not a $65,000-$75,000 mistake...
[/QUOTIt's just a bit of road noise,I'm not noticing wind noise. Calm down..I always visit forums of my cars or motorbikes and usually get good information from them, but this is a very rude forum.
By the way, very few coupés have no B pillar. I dought very much your 5 had no B pillar.
I've been driving for 48 years, along the way I did learn a bit about cars but also learned a bit about being sociable.
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Back in the day a 2 door car with a B pillar was called a coupe. The same car is now called a 2 door sedan.
A car without a B pillar was called a hardtop either 2 door or 4 door.
I've owned all 3 configurations with the above names over the past 60 years.
Back in the day a 2 door car with a B pillar was called a coupe. The same car is now called a 2 door sedan.
A car without a B pillar was called a hardtop either 2 door or 4 door.
I've owned all 3 configurations with the above names over the past 60 years.
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It's just a bit of road noise, I'm not noticing wind noise. Calm down... I always visit forums of my cars or motorbikes and usually get good information from them, but this is a very rude forum. I've been driving for 48 years, along the way I did learn a bit about cars but also learned a bit about being sociable.
I now live in the South where the ambient temperatures are somewhat steady... almost never below freezing, at least. When I lived further North (nowhere as far north as Canada), the frameless window seals contracted so much in Winter that road noise and wind noise were a given. And the seals didn't always recover their suppleness when the warmer weather returned. This is what I've come to expect from a "Coupe."
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It's just a bit of road noise,I'm not noticing wind noise. Calm down..I always visit forums of my cars or motorbikes and usually get good information from them, but this is a very rude forum.
By the way, very few coupés have no B pillar. I dought very much your 5 had no B pillar.
I've been driving for 48 years, along the way I did learn a bit about cars but also learned a bit about being sociable.
By the way, very few coupés have no B pillar. I dought very much your 5 had no B pillar.
I've been driving for 48 years, along the way I did learn a bit about cars but also learned a bit about being sociable.
I will put my hands up to say that I get extremely cross when it comes to anything related to this car (w213) haha. The regret is serious here.
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To be clear, are you referring to cabin noise in general or noise specifically from around the window frame? B-pillar or not it shouldn't really affect the noise insulation (I don't have this coupe but speaking from experience). Thicker windows and tyre choices are probably more important when it comes to noise suppression in general. If you are used to having noise insulating glasses you would definitely feel the difference in its absence: we don't have that option here in australia and it is noticeably noisier than my other cars with them. And in terms of tyres, I see from your photos you have the 19' amg wheels? which means that you wouldn't have the crappy Goodyear eagle f1 moe on, those noisy buggers have no refinement whatsoever.
I will put my hands up to say that I get extremely cross when it comes to anything related to this car (w213) haha. The regret is serious here.
I will put my hands up to say that I get extremely cross when it comes to anything related to this car (w213) haha. The regret is serious here.
I have changed the tires from the run-flat Conti's to Michelin pilot sport to get a better ride. I bought my car used last year and specifically looked for the air suspension
I have no regrets from buying this car, love it, was just wondering if my windows need adjustment. I replaced a Mercedes SLK with AMG suspension and that was a rough driving car..
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It is most noticeable when driving in town, you meet a car and you hear that car's road noise coming from behind you where the B-pillar usually is. Then when you are conscious of this you also hear road noise from there.
I have changed the tires from the run-flat Conti's to Michelin pilot sport to get a better ride. I bought my car used last year and specifically looked for the air suspension
I have no regrets from buying this car, love it, was just wondering if my windows need adjustment. I replaced a Mercedes SLK with AMG suspension and that was a rough driving car..
Arnold
I have changed the tires from the run-flat Conti's to Michelin pilot sport to get a better ride. I bought my car used last year and specifically looked for the air suspension
I have no regrets from buying this car, love it, was just wondering if my windows need adjustment. I replaced a Mercedes SLK with AMG suspension and that was a rough driving car..
Arnold
To me it just sounds like the glasses are not blocking out the noise sufficiently. Although in the previous gen e coupe (no b-pillar either), I could tell where the source of outside noise is, in that the noise doesn't simply come from a single spot or area.
If there was any fault involved (faulty seals, glass, etc), you may notice a difference between the two sides of the car. So perhaps have someone play something on their phone outside the car and see if there is any discernible difference for you depending on if the sound comes from the passenger or driver's side.
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Help me understand... You consciously buy a COUPE, which by definition has no B-Pillar like that in a sedan. And you now "gripe" that it doesn't have a B-Pillar?
In my 50-years of driving, I've owned five, 2-door coupes. Yes, they look cool when all the windows are down, and in my coupes, the windows were down more often than up.
But the lack of a window frame means that a coupe is inherently noisier than a sedan. Noise at the rear seal is the least one can expect. Many coupes have air leaks all around the front windows.
I've made a couple expensive mistakes before, but not a $65,000-$75,000 mistake...
In my 50-years of driving, I've owned five, 2-door coupes. Yes, they look cool when all the windows are down, and in my coupes, the windows were down more often than up.
But the lack of a window frame means that a coupe is inherently noisier than a sedan. Noise at the rear seal is the least one can expect. Many coupes have air leaks all around the front windows.
I've made a couple expensive mistakes before, but not a $65,000-$75,000 mistake...
Not a helpful response. The OP's question was completely legit. He isn't driving some POS '65 impala hardtop. The S Class Coupe has no B and is a very quiet car. Mercedes knows how to make cars without b pillars that are quiet.
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BS about the noise. I've a '15 S Coupe and there is NO noise from there. Same with two CL550's I've owned plus two XK Jags. Go to the dealer and get it fixed is my suggestion. That is if your getting noise from where the two windows meet up.
When buying new, always try to get the acoustic laminated glass. Well worth the noise reduction on interstate hwys. On one of the CL550's I had, some dingbat tried at night to break in the car out in northern CA. All he did was 'spider' the glass but did not penetrate. Still ruined the right side glass front and rear. Big time repair cost of the glass. Not so much the labor but the glass itself. I used Safelite instead of Park Place Bodywerks. They did a swell job and a lot cheaper with no problems at all.
By 'noise' reduction I mentioned in the para above, I mean road Tire noise, not wind etc. I've no wind noise. It's Tire noise that drives one mad after ten hrs in the saddle. S Coupes are quiet cars. Never had a E Coupe so I can't really talk about them. They look good though.
When buying new, always try to get the acoustic laminated glass. Well worth the noise reduction on interstate hwys. On one of the CL550's I had, some dingbat tried at night to break in the car out in northern CA. All he did was 'spider' the glass but did not penetrate. Still ruined the right side glass front and rear. Big time repair cost of the glass. Not so much the labor but the glass itself. I used Safelite instead of Park Place Bodywerks. They did a swell job and a lot cheaper with no problems at all.
By 'noise' reduction I mentioned in the para above, I mean road Tire noise, not wind etc. I've no wind noise. It's Tire noise that drives one mad after ten hrs in the saddle. S Coupes are quiet cars. Never had a E Coupe so I can't really talk about them. They look good though.
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I have an E Coupe and I have no problems with noise. No more noise in the Coupe compared to when I’m driving the E Sedan. Half the time my windows are down anyways. But with windows up, nothing noticeable
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I have a 2018 coupe and tire noise is by FAR the worst. Looking forward to ditching the run flats. I have just a bit of wind noise where the glass meets (B pillar if there was one). One thing to consider is treating the seals. VW makes a special oil for rubber seals, I can't recall the name but it works very well to keep the rubber supple.
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I've never noticed any significant wind noise from the side windows in my 2018 E400 Coupe. Just a wild guess, but perhaps such noise is due to a bad seal or misalignment of the windows.
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I agree that the response where they literally used the hammer to the head emoji was rude, or at the very least snarky, and probably both.
Now to answer your question, I have the E53 Cabriolet and the noise is not too bad. I wonder if you have a bad seal?
was rude, or at the very least snarky, and probably both.Now to answer your question, I have the E53 Cabriolet and the noise is not too bad. I wonder if you have a bad seal?
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