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W214 is a different model than the W213. I wouldn't search the W213 for information about my W212. So, let's have a W214 forum please, just to maintain continuity of 20+ years.
To combine W213 and W214 will simply have users being required to take the extra step to specify which they have when asking questions. That causes unnecessary confusion among existing members. There's enough of that already without purposely lumping a new model within an old forum.
And with more than 550,000 members, I am not sure anyone cares about new members, who will see that each model traditionally has its own forum, and wonder why their new W214 doesn't have one. How's that for making new members feel welcome?
i am suggesting that former approach of a forum for every model is not sustainable and doesn’t build community the way forums for vehicles that share components can work. it also creates endless scrolling and choice in a time when removing barriers like that is really the best practice.
i am suggesting that former approach of a forum for every model is not sustainable and doesn’t build community the way forums for vehicles that share components can work. it also creates endless scrolling and choice in a time when removing barriers like that is really the best practice.
As a 20+ year forum user, I politely disagree with you. It is much better to have a separate forum per model because that's the exact model I wish to discuss. Hopefully others will chime in as well.
right, but we need to cater to people who are new to forums, not just those of us who have inhabited them for the past 20+ years. the expectations and needs are very different.
i am suggesting that former approach of a forum for every model is not sustainable and doesn’t build community the way forums for vehicles that share components can work. it also creates endless scrolling and choice in a time when removing barriers like that is really the best practice.
So you would prefer blog with all MB models?
Categorization is necessary so that one does NOT have to scroll endlessly.
that’s not what i said, let’s all try and work together rather than play semantic games.
Categorization is broader than single vehicles and not as broad as an entire brand.
W214 is a different model than the W213. I wouldn't search the W213 for information about my W212. So, let's have a W214 forum please, just to maintain continuity of 20+ years.
To combine W213 and W214 will simply have users being required to take the extra step to specify which they have when asking questions. That causes unnecessary confusion among existing members. There's enough of that already without purposely lumping a new model within an old forum.
And with more than 550,000 members, I am not sure anyone cares about new members, who will see that each model traditionally has its own forum, and wonder why their new W214 doesn't have one. How's that for making new members feel welcome?
that’s not what i said, let’s all try and work together rather than play semantic games.
Categorization is broader than single vehicles and not as broad as an entire brand.
You have to consider that MB runs models for like 7 years, so this is not something that would happen every day. One new model ever 7 years certainly needs to have its own forum. And I second what others are saying here.
Why in the world do you want to change what works and make is difficult for users? (New and Old)
There are significant difference between generations such as the W211, W212, W213 and W214. When I browse a forum, I want information that is specific to my model; not the previous generation and not the next generation. I do not want to waste time scrolling through irrelevant stuff. Combining model forums is a quick way to encourage members to go elsewhere.
i am suggesting that former approach of a forum for every model is not sustainable and doesn’t build community the way forums for vehicles that share components can work. it also creates endless scrolling and choice in a time when removing barriers like that is really the best practice.
I'm sorry but I fail to see any worthwhile benefit in compiling all the forums for a model into one. It would create way too much noise in the forums and become a nightmare for anyone trying to find information about a specific generation. Almost everyone that browses these forums is looking for information about their own vehicle(s) or a vehicle they're interested in. They can simply go to the respective forum for the vehicle they wish to browse without it being cluttered about other irrelevant posts to them.
nobody has suggested an all or nothing approach. this entire dialogue began with a question. i still do not know the difference other than years between the two model lines. what do they share and what do they not share?
The same can be said for all the series/models that MB has. we do not need 300+ forums simply because that’s how many model designators MB has, we should be designing something that is more approachable than something only insiders can understand.
nobody has suggested an all or nothing approach. this entire dialogue began with a question. i still do not know the difference other than years between the two model lines. what do they share and what do they not share?
The same can be said for all the series/models that MB has. we do not need 300+ forums simply because that’s how many model designators MB has, we should be designing something that is more approachable than something only insiders can understand.
Every automotive forum site I've come across have been designed this way. This is not something only "insiders" can understand. If you don't know the difference between a W213 and W214, then that is a lack of your own personal knowledge of the vehicles as it is a completely redesigned generation of the E-class. These forums are divided into generations of vehicles which span for multiple years, not each and every model.
I say this bcos as a new owner of a W206, if I had to scroll in W205 sub-forum to find W206-specific info I'd get lost and discouraged. Having a dedicated W206 forum really helped my search. Ditto for W212, W213 and the new W214. These cars don't have much in common except they are all E-class, and a few parts-bin sharing... else very different cars completely.
Since the E-Class sub-forums are categorized by generation and chassis number, I think it's assumed that a new generation/chassis designation would have a unique sub-forum.
The W213 is the fifth generation E-Class (2016-2023) and the W214 is the sixth generation E-Class (2024+). They are not the same car/chassis, except for being an E-Class.
Whether or not the time is right for the new generation of E-Class has its own sub-forum is up to Robb and the others who run this site, but if the historical convention is categorizing by generation, it seems to only make sense that a new generation of E-Class would have its own.
forgive me if i am in fact clueless, but i’ve never seen MB market a W213 or 214. they sell E Series cars to customers.
No offense, but you are obviously not a "car guy". Why not just give the forum users what they are asking for, rather than fighting tooth and nail against it?
forgive me if i am in fact clueless, but i’ve never seen MB market a W213 or 214. they sell E Series cars to customers.
MB markets by model year E Class to customers. Then they service/maintain those vehicles by model designation, e,g,, W214. Members here are oriented toward the latter.
right, but we need to cater to people who are new to forums, not just those of us who have inhabited them for the past 20+ years. the expectations and needs are very different.
I’m also going to politely disagree here because what new user wants to fumble through lots of models instead of just going straight to the one that they own. It is much easier to go through one extra click for the model year then 1000 extra clicks because there’s ten thousand non-valid threads about four other models.. I’m truly not able to understand why non-specific information is better than specific information in any circumstance ever. All of everything has turned towards specificity in detail. No one in their right mind can think that fumbling through a book to find a word is easier than fumbling through a page But that might just be my science, math and economics mind working..
there’s plenty of archaic things about this website that actually may suck but it’s not that we don’t have proper forums or need to consolidate. Imvho
I made an account on this forum just so I could reply to some of the sentiments I've seen here by those in charge.
In no world do I see it making sense to consolidate all E-Class discussion into one forum. As folks have stated, the E-Class is separated into generations, with 2016 to 2023 being the 5th generation (W213), and now a new 6th generation being introduced in 2024 (W214). It is quite literally a completely redesigned car, that will probably stick around for the next 7 years, just like the W213 did.
They are fundamentally different cars, the only thing they share is a consumer name, the general public who isn't aware of the specifics like the users of MB World are.
I don't understand why you would think that throwing everything into one forum makes sense? The only thing that would do is make it harder to find relevant information, force people to have to go out of their way to see discussions relevant to their generation, and introduce noise into an otherwise organized system like it currently is with the separated forums.
So with all that being said, I also request humbly, please create a new W214 forum, for a brand new generation of the E Class, which will have its entirely separate and new discussions and topics separate from the W213 of the 7 years past.
Do we even have mods here? once we got the first spy shot of a new upcoming model we should make a new category forum imo... things here get delayed just like mbusa **** up their ****..
02-28-2024, 06:51 PM
