2023 Order Guide
08-05-2022, 02:01 PM
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Another question, My dealer gave me today to think about my final build, So I was debating about getting AMG night package, is it really worth $3,250?
Since comfort suspension is standard in all EQB trims, Is it all about looks or something else as well in AMG night package?
Since comfort suspension is standard in all EQB trims, Is it all about looks or something else as well in AMG night package?
08-05-2022, 02:09 PM
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Another question, My dealer gave me today to think about my final build, So I was debating about getting AMG night package, is it really worth $3,250?
Since comfort suspension is standard in all EQB trims, Is it all about looks or something else as well in AMG night package?
Since comfort suspension is standard in all EQB trims, Is it all about looks or something else as well in AMG night package?
Check out the full list in the Order Guide (1st post) but the big items are different lower front end, black exterior trim, different wheels, sport seats, and red stitching for the interior. (FWIW, the "sport" seats also come with the leather interior.). The photo of the white EQB on the first page of the order guide has the AMG package so compare that to the "regular" front ends further in the guide.
FWIW, I'd rather have a 350 w/ adaptive suspension than a 300 with the AMG package for about the same $$$. This is not a race car, but more power and variable suspension is far more sporty to me than an appearance package.
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08-06-2022, 02:59 PM
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FYI, goodbye current $7500 EV tax credit
EV Tax-Credit Limits Cleared to Stay in Democrats’ Package (bloomberg.com)
Emphasis above on the word Limits.Odds are now extremely high that the EQB will lose the existing $7500 tax credit except for those that have a signed purchase order prior to enactment, which could happen very quickly.
08-06-2022, 03:41 PM
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I just spent 20 minutes going over the Reduction Act as well as the Tax Act of 1986 to prove you wrong... But you're not. That's really bad news, not just for Mercedes but Kia, Hyundai, Nissan and all the others (unless they do final assembly in the U.S. which they might like the Leaf). I'm amazed none of the 7,000 articles on the new bill mention this. So from now on, the tax benefits only apply to
1. Tesla Model 3, Model Y
2. Mustang MachE
3. Nissan Leaf (assembled in TN)
4. Maybe the Fisker Ocean?
5. Any others
For us, this is very bad news. We do have a 2022 on order but I'm suspecting it will be missing some basic features like power seats and some navigation features. So we either take a substandard luxury car, or wait and pay $7500 extra.
1. Tesla Model 3, Model Y
2. Mustang MachE
3. Nissan Leaf (assembled in TN)
4. Maybe the Fisker Ocean?
5. Any others
For us, this is very bad news. We do have a 2022 on order but I'm suspecting it will be missing some basic features like power seats and some navigation features. So we either take a substandard luxury car, or wait and pay $7500 extra.
The nature of the EV subsidies is clearly changing.
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08-06-2022, 04:58 PM
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The last I heard was that the battery-sourcing requirements don’t kick in until 2024 — phasing in gradually through 2027. Looks like Tesla is best positioned to take advantage of this. Who knows?!
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08-06-2022, 06:10 PM
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EV Tax-Credit Limits Cleared to Stay in Democrats’ Package (bloomberg.com)
Emphasis above on the word Limits.Odds are now extremely high that the EQB will lose the existing $7500 tax credit except for those that have a signed purchase order prior to enactment, which could happen very quickly.
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08-07-2022, 10:46 AM
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You need a VIN and Purchase Order
I am the “next in line” with my dealer. As soon as a VIN is applied to my build sheet, a Purchase Order will be done (takes 10 minutes).
my understanding is the Purchase Order is what is needed, against your EIN or SSN, to secure the tax credit.
my understanding is the Purchase Order is what is needed, against your EIN or SSN, to secure the tax credit.
08-07-2022, 11:17 AM
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I suspect we are both racing the clock. Our EQB is scheduled for production in about 10 days and the new law will be in effect immediately when it's signed by the President. It's on the Senate floor now and could be voted on there as soon as today. The House vote will likely quickly follow, with a special session currently scheduled for the 12th.
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08-07-2022, 01:43 PM
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We “rich people” will pay more
I suspect we are both racing the clock. Our EQB is scheduled for production in about 10 days and the new law will be in effect immediately when it's signed by the President. It's on the Senate floor now and could be voted on there as soon as today. The House vote will likely quickly follow, with a special session currently scheduled for the 12th.
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08-07-2022, 08:18 PM
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FYI, here's the language that the Senate passed today that applies to the transition period for the new EV rebate policy.
Since the new policy excludes non-North America assembled vehicles, we all only have this week to complete contracts for EQBs. The House is scheduled to vote on August 12th, and the Act will become law immediately upon the President's signature when it gets to his desk.
Once the Act is signed, the current $7500 rebate is GONE, and the new policy excludes the EQB.
(1) after December 31, 2021, and before the date of enactment of this Act, purchased, or entered into a written binding contract to purchase, a new qualified plug-in electric drive motor vehicle.
Once the Act is signed, the current $7500 rebate is GONE, and the new policy excludes the EQB.
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08-07-2022, 08:26 PM
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Not so sure about that:
FYI, here's the language that the Senate passed today that applies to the transition period for the new EV rebate policy.
Since the new policy excludes non-North America assembled vehicles, we all only have this week to complete contracts for EQBs. The House is scheduled to vote on August 12th, and the Act will become law immediately upon the President's signature when it gets to his desk.
Once the Act is signed, the current $7500 rebate is GONE, and the new policy excludes the EQB.
Since the new policy excludes non-North America assembled vehicles, we all only have this week to complete contracts for EQBs. The House is scheduled to vote on August 12th, and the Act will become law immediately upon the President's signature when it gets to his desk.
Once the Act is signed, the current $7500 rebate is GONE, and the new policy excludes the EQB.
08-07-2022, 08:33 PM
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From the Wall Street Journal summary: “On climate, the bill’s tax incentives aim to channel billions of dollars to wind, solar and battery developments that put clean power onto the grid. Consumers could receive subsidies for certain windows, heat pumps and other energy-efficient products, as well the extension of a $7,500 tax credit to buy electric vehicles.”
EDIT: And with the new personal income limits, many typical Mercedes customers will be excluded anyway going forward.
(Attached is the full Act, with the Electric Vehicles starting on page 381.)
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08-08-2022, 06:24 AM
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2023 seems to be the key
The "extension" of the current $7500 is really two modified $3750 credits. One is for the vehicle and one for the battery, and both have new requirements that make the EQB ineligible while there are EVs that will be eligible for the $7500. The big kicker for the EQB is final assembly outside of NATFA.
EDIT: And with the new personal income limits, many typical Mercedes customers will be excluded anyway going forward.
(Attached is the full Act, with the Electric Vehicles starting on page 381.)
EDIT: And with the new personal income limits, many typical Mercedes customers will be excluded anyway going forward.
(Attached is the full Act, with the Electric Vehicles starting on page 381.)
Also, the “Purchase Order” before signing the President signs the Act seems to be most important if delivery will not occur until 2023.
and yes, the income phase out is just annoying and IMHO counter-policy. All of these AEVs are costly in both dollars and risk - anyone in any tax bracket should be incentivized to be at the front of this effort.
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08-08-2022, 11:44 AM
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No Panoramic roof for any trim in EQB
Just got a heads up from my dealer, You can not get Panoramic roof in any trim of EQBI(some fulfillment issue), I think with all these issues and no tax credit, Model Y, making much more sense now.
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08-08-2022, 11:48 AM
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For which model year, 2022 or 2023? And have you heard anything about power seats being an issue?
08-08-2022, 01:24 PM
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The two separate $3,750 credit sections for minerals and batteries is certainly confusing - as is the “final assembly” in the US. Add to it that my understanding is that Mercedes does do “final assembly” here in there U.S. as it puts (at least) the batteries in the vehicle at or beyond the receiving port.
Also, the “Purchase Order” before signing the President signs the Act seems to be most important if delivery will not occur until 2023.
and yes, the income phase out is just annoying and IMHO counter-policy. All of these AEVs are costly in both dollars and risk - anyone in any tax bracket should be incentivized to be at the front of this effort.
Also, the “Purchase Order” before signing the President signs the Act seems to be most important if delivery will not occur until 2023.
and yes, the income phase out is just annoying and IMHO counter-policy. All of these AEVs are costly in both dollars and risk - anyone in any tax bracket should be incentivized to be at the front of this effort.
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08-09-2022, 09:13 AM
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No panarama
This is not a deal breaker for me. Some with the GLB have complained that the panarama roof makes the car much hotter. But we shall see what comes of all this uncertainty and build changes.
