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Of course, there will be disadvantages with all the EVs: - Lithium and other rare metals that the US does not have will become expensive. - There will be a shortage of new and replacement batteries - Demands on the electrical power grid will cause rolling blackouts, etc.
And there are advantages: - Wind and solar will not be able to supply the power so the natural gas industry will continue to flourish - Shovel-ready jobs will be available for unskilled worker from the coal industry
But the BIGGEST ADVANTAGES ARE: - With all those EVs stuck at charging stations, traffic congestion will decrease - With the decrease in demand for gasoline, gas prices will fall below $2 a gallon - We will appreciate our AMGs, 6-cylinders, mild hybrids and V8 engines even more!
Best of all, the greedy, outdated dealership model will fail, as the obscene profits made in the service department will implode. Dealer principles may have to downsize to only one vacation home!
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Best of all, the greedy, outdated dealership model will fail, as the obscene profits made in the service department will implode. Dealer principles may have to downsize to only one vacation home!
Actually most dealerships are owned by corporations now. Without service dept profits expect to pay more for your car, no discounts as profits will be shifted to the sales dept, ala Tesla.
The US Senate bill for "Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act" includes a test program to place a federal tax on every mile driven by US Citizens. This is to offset the loss of fund from the federal gas tax on gasoline which funds the Highway Trust Fund. Hmm. It's coming -- another reason that EVs are not as attractive as one might think.
When the mileage tax law goes into effect will ICE pay both fuel and mileage tax and EV only mileage tax?
Who knows? The tax and spenders in DC will find a way. I doubt if the gas tax will ever decrease. (You think?) There could be an extra tax put on charging stations to make the EVs pay "their fair share."
EV owners charge their vehicles at home most of the time so there will likely be a milage tax (for registered EV owners only) so they pay their fair-share road usage. Some states do this already when you register an EV but every state will eventually get on board with such a tax.
I can’t wait to replace my GLS63 with the new EQS SUV next year. The transmission lag is driving me bonkers.
I’m also hoping the feds implement a $2/gal gas tax, rising to $4/gal in 2023. Our roads need it.
Hmm. If you want to open that door, here you go. If you think you'll enjoy driving a sewing machine, go for your EV.
They gave up on "global warming" and had to change to "climate change." Well, the earth's climate has been changing for hundreds of thousands of years. Most of North America was covered by mile-thick glaciers just recently in the earth's history. Most of the western states were swampland where the dinosaurs roamed. It's presumptions and naive of humans to think that the way the climate is now in our brief time here on earth is the way it should be and that we can control it.
I chuckle every time I see a sewing machine driving around our neighborhood with "Zero Emissions" plastered on its side. Here's some food for thought:
- Total fuel consumption of U.S. airlines is approximately 19 billion gallons annually.
- Total fuel consumption for mining Ore for construction of electric car batteries is more: approximately 21 billion gallons annually.
- The 21 billion gallons of fuel burned can only produce enough Ore to build 250,000 electric car batteries.
- The lifespan of an electric battery is 10 years and is very expensive to recycle or replace if a replacement can be found.
- By 2050 these batteries will fill landfills with millions of pounds of waste that does not break down.
- China and India are the biggest polluters and their economies are not suppressed by "climate change" militants.
- How much wind in your backyard will be required to charge all those batteries, even the ones being charged in the garage at home?
EVs for short in-town commutes, OK perhaps. Mild-hybrid, yes. But a fully electric GLS EV? Really? We'll see...
Hmm. If you want to open that door, here you go. If you think you'll enjoy driving a sewing machine, go for your EV.
They gave up on "global warming" and had to change to "climate change." Well, the earth's climate has been changing for hundreds of thousands of years. Most of North America was covered by mile-thick glaciers just recently in the earth's history. Most of the western states were swampland where the dinosaurs roamed. It's presumptions and naive of humans to think that the way the climate is now in our brief time here on earth is the way it should be and that we can control it.
I chuckle every time I see a sewing machine driving around our neighborhood with "Zero Emissions" plastered on its side. Here's some food for thought:
- Total fuel consumption of U.S. airlines is approximately 19 billion gallons annually.
- Total fuel consumption for mining Ore for construction of electric car batteries is more: approximately 21 billion gallons annually.
- The 21 billion gallons of fuel burned can only produce enough Ore to build 250,000 electric car batteries.
- The lifespan of an electric battery is 10 years and is very expensive to recycle or replace if a replacement can be found.
- By 2050 these batteries will fill landfills with millions of pounds of waste that does not break down.
- China and India are the biggest polluters and their economies are not suppressed by "climate change" militants.
- How much wind in your backyard will be required to charge all those batteries, even the ones being charged in the garage at home?
EVs for short in-town commutes, OK perhaps. Mild-hybrid, yes. But a fully electric GLS EV? Really? We'll see...
Sorry Gordon, no ride for you in our new GLS SUV when it arrives.
Sorry Gordon, no ride for you in our new GLS SUV when it arrives.
That's OK. No worries. I'll be enjoying my mild-hybrid GLE580 that's on order, my mild-hybrid CLS53 (and my nice V8 SL5500 that sounds great). Plus, the new GLE will probably have the obnoxious and distracting (IMHO) touch screen in the center console as in the S Class, new SL class, C Class and GLC Class.
That's OK. No worries. I'll be enjoying my mild-hybrid GLE580 that's on order, my mild-hybrid CLS53 (and my nice V8 SL5500 that sounds great).
I am just going to assume that you have never driven an EV. They are just better cars. The one and only downside to an EV is that you can't just stop somewhere and "fill up" in 5-10 minutes.
Everything else is just better!
Not many people use candles and lamps anymore... Lightbulbs are just better!
That's OK. No worries. I'll be enjoying my mild-hybrid GLE580 that's on order, my mild-hybrid CLS53 (and my nice V8 SL5500 that sounds great). Plus, the new GLE will probably have the obnoxious and distracting (IMHO) touch screen in the center console as in the S Class, new SL class, C Class and GLC Class.
Good thing you have mild-hybrids on order. Soon you'll have to buy cars from someone other than Mercedes since they're planning to convert to all EV's by the end of this decade. Even their AMG division!!!
I'm just messing with you, I get the love of a V8 and sounds that come with them. Like it or not, EV's are coming fast (and quiet).
I'm just messing with you, I get the love of a V8 and sounds that come with them. Like it or not, EV's are coming fast (and quiet).
Yeah, I know and I appreciate the back and forth. Please don't tell anybody, but someday, I'll probably consider an EV for in-town errands, but out here in the west where on I-70 in Utah for example it is 100 miles or more between any commercial establishments, an electric SUV has limited appeal. I think that a mild-hybrid setup as in the 450, 53 and 580 engines is the best of both worlds. Plus they currently have the classy dual-screen digital dash rather than the new touchscreen tablet in the center console which tries to imitate Tesla. I suggest getting one of these vehicles while they are still available. No charging stations here :
And BTW -- conversion to 100% EVs will not happen by 2030.
Yeah, I know and I appreciate the back and forth. Please don't tell anybody, but someday, I'll probably consider an EV for in-town errands, but out here in the west where on I-70 in Utah for example it is 100 miles or more between any commercial establishments, an electric SUV has limited appeal. I think that a mild-hybrid setup as in the 450, 53 and 580 engines is the best of both worlds. Plus they currently have the classy dual-screen digital dash rather than the new touchscreen tablet in the center console which tries to imitate Tesla. I suggest getting one of these vehicles while they are still available. No charging stations here :
And BTW -- conversion to 100% EVs will not happen by 2030.
I hear you. By 2030 there will likely be plenty of EV charging stations, even where you live. And battery technology will improve to a point where you’ll be able to recharge to 70-80% in about 5 minutes.
I hear you. By 2030 there will likely be plenty of EV charging stations, even where you live. And battery technology will improve to a point where you’ll be able to recharge to 70-80% in about 5 minutes.
Then we’ll have hover cars by 2040. LOL
Yes, we need a breakthrough in battery technology. But rather than hover cars with fans or whatever, I'm hoping for anti-gravity vehicles. (What's been going on in Area 51 in Nevada for the past 30 years since the unveiling of stealth technology? What are all these UFO?) Even better if vehicles are powered by hydrogen -- now that is environmentally friendly. Batteries of any kind with rare earth metals are not. But to produce hydrogen in quantity, the industry will probably have to burn fossil fuels. Or there're always nuclear power plants.
“The Biden administration’s agenda to tax Americans by the mile is a terrible idea that will disproportionately impact rural Americans while giving rich urban dwellers a free ride,” said Mr. Taylor. “The miles-driven tax is nothing short of a stealth mechanism for a major tax increase relative to current taxation and will most severely affect low-income households.”
My wife and I have to go to regular Doctors appointments and grocery shopping every week to a town near by that is a 30 mile round trip so we will eventually opt for a plug in hybrid where we can go electric 99% of the time for our regular routine.
For longer trips I am keeping my SL550 and F-250 Diesel.
There is often a lot of hyperbole on both sides. I also think that it's quite naive for humanity to think they can change the climate. I'm not saying our activities haven't contributed to how the climate has changed. Most statistics show that transportation and electricity production together make up about 50% of the CO2 emissions, so they seem to be the obvious targets. But another statistic that's rarely broken out is that one third of the CO2 emission comes from the world's militaries and is spread over the sectors that are typically reported. So it's easy right? Just create world piece and stop building weapons and war machines that may or may not be used and our CO2 emissions would drop by a third. Yeah, good luck with that.
There is often a lot of hyperbole on both sides. I also think that it's quite naive for humanity to think they can change the climate. I'm not saying our activities haven't contributed to how the climate has changed. Most statistics show that transportation and electricity production together make up about 50% of the CO2 emissions, so they seem to be the obvious targets. But another statistic that's rarely broken out is that one third of the CO2 emission comes from the world's militaries and is spread over the sectors that are typically reported. So it's easy right? Just create world piece and stop building weapons and war machines that may or may not be used and our CO2 emissions would drop by a third. Yeah, good luck with that.
You would also have to stop volcanos from pumping C02 into the atmosphere. Of course, there's also the 30 by 40 mile Yellowstone caldera that is overdue for a massive eruption that will kill most life on the North America continent -- talk about climate change! ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_Caldera ). Oh yeah, then the north and south magnetic poles could reverse again anytime.( https://www.npr.org/2021/02/18/96906...st-flipped-out ) And the sun is due for a cooling period, the Maunder Minimum, which will make us all sorry that we have reduced CO2 to try to cool the earth.( https://www.livescience.com/51597-ma...i-ice-age.html ) We humans are not in control of the earth's climate, EVs or no EVs. But it feels good huh? Bummer.
You would also have to stop volcanos from pumping C02 into the atmosphere. Of course, there's also the 30 by 40 mile Yellowstone caldera that is overdue for a massive eruption that will kill most life on the North America continent -- talk about climate change! ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_Caldera ). Oh yeah, then the north and south magnetic poles could reverse again anytime.( https://www.npr.org/2021/02/18/96906...st-flipped-out ) And the sun is due for a cooling period, the Maunder Minimum, which will make us all sorry that we have reduced CO2 to try to cool the earth.( https://www.livescience.com/51597-ma...i-ice-age.html ) We humans are not in control of the earth's climate, EVs or no EVs. But it feels good huh? Bummer.
Yes, and all these wildfires going on here on the west coast have pretty much wiped out any reduction in CO2 emissions, yet it's easier to blame them on climate change even though we've always had a dry climate here and droughts, than it is to admit that we stopped doing controlled burns to clear the forests of fuel and we probably should stop building housing in forested areas, and PG&E should have long ago put their powerlines underground. But hey, what do I know.
The other thing that irks me is that the politics are hung up on mpg, mpge and what not instead of total emissions. While I only average 16 mpg with my V8, I also only drive about 6k-8k miles a year. Compare that to a more efficient car that say gets 32 mpg, but is driven twice as much. They pollute as much as I do. And there are plenty that drive 20k, 30k+ miles annually, yet if they do that with a hybrid they get padded on the shoulder and rewarded with perks, even though they pollute a lot more than I do with my V8. We incentify folks to buy more fuel efficient cars, and then drive them more. They pay less taxes per mile for the roads etc. than I do. So the per mile tax would actually be a good start to actually address the issue of excessive driving and have those folks pay their fair share for the increased wear they put on the roads.
Yes, and all these wildfires going on here on the west coast have pretty much wiped out any reduction in CO2 emissions, yet it's easier to blame them on climate change even though we've always had a dry climate here and droughts, than it is to admit that we stopped doing controlled burns to clear the forests of fuel and we probably should stop building housing in forested areas, and PG&E should have long ago put their powerlines underground. But hey, what do I know.
You know a lot more than most people who vote in your state, for sure. Keep up the good work.
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