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after 6 monthe of city driving my real total range varies between 160 and 200 miles
That’s consistent with what I was experiencing (A/C set to 72, outside temp upper 70s to low 80s and average speed of 20mph using normal regen). The eco+ A/C setting makes a huge difference but it gets too hot in the car, especially in the back seat. Using eco+ today the cabin hit 80. It’s really the sun, outside temp was only 71. By going eco+ with strong regen, range is projected over 420. I’m going to try eco and see how that goes. The cabin should be more comfortable.
Don't know why!!! Maybe that part is offline today.
I might know why.....I only charge at home, have not charged commercially as I have been on no trips out of this area in my DD. I have over 12 K miles on it, but only local. So if that is where the data is kept, I have none.
That’s consistent with what I was experiencing (A/C set to 72, outside temp upper 70s to low 80s and average speed of 20mph using normal regen). The eco+ A/C setting makes a huge difference but it gets too hot in the car, especially in the back seat. Using eco+ today the cabin hit 80. It’s really the sun, outside temp was only 71. By going eco+ with strong regen, range is projected over 420. I’m going to try eco and see how that goes. The cabin should be more comfortable.
Let us know your results.
The cooler weather mileage / comfort trade should improve once the EQS is fitted with a heat pump.
I might know why.....I only charge at home, have not charged commercially as I have been on no trips out of this area in my DD. I have over 12 K miles on it, but only local. So if that is where the data is kept, I have none.
In fact it keeps track of every charge session, even the home ones. Im at a loss why the info is gone.Its an excellent summary that allows you to keep track of everything related to charging.
I might know why.....I only charge at home, have not charged commercially as I have been on no trips out of this area in my DD. I have over 12 K miles on it, but only local. So if that is where the data is kept, I have none.
In fact it keeps track of every charge session, even the home ones. Im at a loss why the info is gone.Its an excellent summary that allows you to keep track of everything related to charging.
In fact it keeps track of every charge session, even the home ones. Im at a loss why the info is gone.Its an excellent summary that allows you to keep track of everything related to charging.
yep, I've got data (which includes predicted costs based on my local electric company rates) on the ChargePoint site, but not on the app's transactions tab......it is completely blank.
yep, I've got data (which includes predicted costs based on my local electric company rates) on the ChargePoint site, but not on the app's transactions tab......it is completely blank.
same for me. i use electrify america for all my charging and have no transactions on the mercedes me app or on the chargepoint app
None of the tests use the car as a daily driver and then check consumption figures when the battery runs out. Your last trip was "reasonable", not really short but not a long trip either. Even during the summer it makes a difference if you drive multiple trips or if you drive one from 100% (or 80%) SOC down to 20% (or so) and then check the consumption. During winter multiple "cold starts" makes consumption completely different from a single start and a longish trip.
The EQS may just set priority for comfort and then may consume more battery on short trips than some other car (on default settings). Very difficult to get any apples-to-apples comparison for daily driving.
Agreed. I think the on/off cycles play a big role due to the energy needed for cabin conditioning. Eco+ gets significantly better consumption since it drastically constrains cabin conditioning.
There are a number of threads here on this subject, and a huge number of posts.
The simple fact seems to be that there is no rule on mileage or any aspect of it., Everything you do in and with your car affects your range. You'll just have to adjust to it.
I've had my 450+ for thirteen months, and I love it. I have learned to roll with what I get. That's the way it is.
Curios, what range do you get? What size are your wheels. The 450+ has the best range from the different trim levels correct?
If that’s all the range you get (especially in city driving) in the winter then there is something wrong with your car.
well I took my 580 to the dealer to check why my range is so low, they checked it out and said there was no problem. they also stated that in cold weather(I live in California) that I should expect a 40% drop in range. My drop is 53%.
well I took my 580 to the dealer to check why my range is so low, they checked it out and said there was no problem. they also stated that in cold weather(I live in California) that I should expect a 40% drop in range. My drop is 53%.
Here is a thread on cold weather range. Getting down to 50%+ drop in range is observed but likely at colder temperatures that you are experiencing in California unless you are going to Tahoe.
thanks for the link, but the basic flaw in most of those reports, and some in this stream, is people are using the predicted miles remaining to come up with a range figure. the mercedes team confirmed that their predicted miles has little to do with the actual current usage since charging. So if you charge to 80% with a remaining miles at 320, (predicting a total range of 400miles) then check again at say 50% and the odometer difference is 48 the calculated total range is 160 miles but the remaining mileage shown will be much higher figure. the response i got from mercedes was "the trip computer in the head unit calculates the estimated range depending on time, type of roads, driving style" so if you believe the remaining miles and take a long trip not near charging stations you will be really disappointed when the car stops. like a gas powered car where the guage tells you the tank is half full yet you are stopped in the middle of the freeway with no gas in the tank.
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thanks for the link, but the basic flaw in most of those reports, and some in this stream, is people are using the predicted miles remaining to come up with a range figure. the mercedes team confirmed that their predicted miles has little to do with the actual current usage since charging. So if you charge to 80% with a remaining miles at 320, (predicting a total range of 400miles) then check again at say 50% and the odometer difference is 48 the calculated total range is 160 miles but the remaining mileage shown will be much higher figure. the response i got from mercedes was "the trip computer in the head unit calculates the estimated range depending on time, type of roads, driving style" so if you believe the remaining miles and take a long trip not near charging stations you will be really disappointed when the car stops. like a gas powered car where the guage tells you the tank is half full yet you are stopped in the middle of the freeway with no gas in the tank.
I don’t know about this reasoning. I’ve taken several long trips (a few in bitter cold of single digits and teens F) and I found the predicted and remaining range to be very accurate.
I don’t know about this reasoning. I’ve taken several long trips (a few in bitter cold of single digits and teens F) and I found the predicted and remaining range to be very accurate.
thanks for the link, but the basic flaw in most of those reports, and some in this stream, is people are using the predicted miles remaining to come up with a range figure. the mercedes team confirmed that their predicted miles has little to do with the actual current usage since charging. So if you charge to 80% with a remaining miles at 320, (predicting a total range of 400miles) then check again at say 50% and the odometer difference is 48 the calculated total range is 160 miles but the remaining mileage shown will be much higher figure. the response i got from mercedes was "the trip computer in the head unit calculates the estimated range depending on time, type of roads, driving style" so if you believe the remaining miles and take a long trip not near charging stations you will be really disappointed when the car stops. like a gas powered car where the guage tells you the tank is half full yet you are stopped in the middle of the freeway with no gas in the tank.
I get what you are saying,. What I was trying to provide you with is examples of how much the kWh/M goes up with decrease in temperature. In some cases the range based on that was significantly reduced relative to the EPA rating.
The initial miles shown is only real under ideal conditions. Real range its calculated during the trip, as your dealer correctly stated itdepends on speed road conditions and such.
For clarity sake how did you determine the full charge range? In addition to ambient temperature, speed and elevation change are also factors. Were these highway miles? What average speed? As the EQS does not have a heat pump it is also more impacted at cold weather by the cabin temperatures that you are maintaining.
For clarity sake how did you determine the full charge range? In addition to ambient temperature, speed and elevation change are also factors. Were these highway miles? What average speed? As the EQS does not have a heat pump it is also more impacted at cold weather by the cabin temperatures that you are maintaining.
Well, I drove mainly on the highway at 120km/hr, and I drained my battery from 85% to 27% and covered 251km exactly in 5 degree Celsius weather (I should add that it was raining, which would further hurt range). 251 divided by 58 (battery percent used) times 100 = 433km. Alternatively, my efficiency was 25.2kw/100km over my entire 462km trip. Battery capacity of 107.8 divided by 25.2 = 428km on a full charge. Both result in the same range. See screenshot below:
EQS 580. Snow storm. 3/4 of the way at night. Speed limited by obscene road conditions. Eco++ AC, Eco mode drive program, auto regen setting. Still got 334 mile real range from 100 to zero. Temp in the high twenties the entire way. IF the road is nasty, the drivetrain eco program is a must for safe driving. Blizzak LM25 19/235. Note: Thats how to report milage. Specifics......
This shows the impact of speed 48 mph (344 range) vs 75 mph. (270 range) and not operating in refrigerator mode.
Absolutely. However even in summer driving at 75 will provide you about only 300 miles. Once you go over 65 range drops significantly after 70, it dives very quickly. At top speed (130) its around 170 (50% of EPA range). As I pointed out my speed was limited by road conditions. Its also amusing that in hot weather people run all over the place with the AC at less than 60 while in the winter 65 is unbearable....DUH. That is why detailed milage information is essential. If you drive a tesla near freezing conditions at 75 miles and hour you would be lucky to get 220 miles, despite the supposedly magical heat pump.
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354 miles at 100%, I gotten 270 miles range with 10% left, this is driving on the freeway with AC on all the time set to 68 degree, #2 fan speed and speed averaging speed of 70-90 mph. I have only got 354 miles at 100% once. Most of the time it 275-285 at 100%. The last 2% took 10 minutes. so i set it to charge to 80 or 90%. it's impossible to get 80-90% from 20% in 30 minutes at most public DC fasting charging. I charged at a 350 kWh EA station and i saw max 175 kwh and it took about 38-40 minute to charge from 20%-80/90%.
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