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Old Jul 9, 2025 | 04:43 PM
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Being in Sales with Mercedes, we were forced to find our own "explanations" for the EQ products without high levels of explanation, demonstration, or support from corporate until well after we had the cars on lot and being sold. Literally months after. That being said, we deemed the EQS "the S-Class of all Electric Vehicles" and drew distinctions between it and S-Classes. We did that for multiple reasons. The main one being our ability to introduce and describe yet another model in the extremely crowded MB model line up. The unicorn leases in our market were mostly taken advantage of by employees, so there's that. However, I don't know that the EQS is "ahead of its time". I do believe it to be an incredible EV for NOW with a horrible job done of helping the mass public to understand why.
This seems to be a pattern with MB/AMG these days. They seem to think they can put out new cars and people just buy them regardless. AMG screwed up big time with the 4-cylinder hybrid C63 and effectively murdered that model and what did they have to say for it? They said "we didn't properly explain the car to our customers". Let me put it this way. If you have to explain the car, then you failed at understanding your customers.

See, I like the EQS precisely because it isn't an S Class. I like the driving experience of the EQ models, even though I find EV driving largely boring outside of the straight line acceleration. I've driven the EQE 350 up to the EQS 580 and the EQE AMG and EQS AMG. They all appeal to me as far as the driving experience goes and how they feel on the road, whereas I loathe how the S Class floats around and I feel 20 years older the moment I get behind the wheel of one. I've never driven an S63, but most likely I would like it. I've driven the GT 63 S E 4-door with the same powertrain as the current S63. However as I said many times before, the S63 isn't really an S Class anymore other than the size. It's a firm and responsive AMG and no longer a floaty chauffeur limousine.

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I remember test driving an s63 in 2016. At that time, the 750Li was more nimble than the S63. The s63 felt heavy and slow even in straight time. I'm sure the current model is quite fast with the hybrid setup, but it probably still feels heavy . . . like the EQS. The low positioned battery and rear steering are the techno advantages to masking the weight.
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Yes, the weight is a different story. Having said that, it's impressive what they are able to do with modern suspensions. I did evasive maneuvers with the EQS AMG at the Nürburgring and given the weight it was quite impressive how I could throw it around. Later drove the GT 63 S E Performance on the track, but it wanted to fly off the track in the corners. The weight was very noticeable. Drove the regular GT 63 S and it was way better. But, I still remember when I came back and drove my C63 it felt like a featherlight in comparison at 4000 lbs. So, yeah, even though I like these cars to some extent, I'd not buy one. Wish my car was closer to 3000 lbs, but I'm not doing much more than 4000 lbs. That's SUV territory.

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Old Jul 10, 2025 | 03:24 AM
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I'm not convince until these Chinese made car go through the NHTSA crash test. Call me old school, old fart, but things can go south very fast if these things are more dangerous on American roads. Now I do understand that politics play a role in preventing these vehicles from coming to the States, which I think is a sad story. That needs to change. However, as cheap as they are, there are good reasons for it that a typical "car review" will not tell you or have full knowledge of. In some aspects, car reviews are just marketing ploys. Not really journalism.
Understandable this is an EQS thread, but since someone mentioned crash testing and apparently google read my mind and these two videos showed up on my feed and is less than a day old, I will post them here, although out of respect to OP I will end this unrelated discussion now after this post.
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Old Jul 10, 2025 | 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by W205C43PFL
Understandable this is an EQS thread, but since someone mentioned crash testing and apparently google read my mind and these two videos showed up on my feed and is less than a day old, I will post them here, although out of respect to OP I will end this unrelated discussion now after this post.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFSM7x_M4pI (10 hours ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voUxeqF2S9c (19 hours ago)
I'll watch later today. BYD plug ins are in Europe though, and don't they have more strict crash test regulations that we do?
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As an S Class consumer I will say that when I came to the understanding that the EQS was not an S Class and was not the future of the S Class, I appreciated it more. My initial disdain for the car (I REALLY hated it) I think came from the fact that it was presented to me as what the S Class was going to be, and what an "electric S Class" was. As someone who wanted an electric S Class, that really pissed me off because its just not an S Class on any level. Now that I understand this will not be the case, I actually kinda like the EQS...
A couple of weeks back both an EQS and a W223 were parked in front of our Music Hall. The W223 looked outdated and boring in comparison.....

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Old Jul 10, 2025 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by nath_h
I'll watch later today. BYD plug ins are in Europe though, and don't they have more strict crash test regulations that we do?
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Originally Posted by MBNUT1
A couple of weeks back both an EQS and a W223 were parked in front of our Music Hall. The W223 looked outdated and boring in comparison.....
What about the EQS SUV, is that selling well because it has a more traditional shape?
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Old Jul 10, 2025 | 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by MBNUT1
A couple of weeks back both an EQS and a W223 were parked in front of our Music Hall. The W223 looked outdated and boring in comparison.....
If most people felt that way the EQS wouldn't be such a failure.
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If most people felt that way the EQS wouldn't be such a failure.
Or could it be that most people are boring, buying boring stuff? Different size SUVs all shaped like a rectangular box, and sedans shaped like different length sausages?
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Or could it be that most people are boring, buying boring stuff? Different size SUVs all shaped like a rectangular box, and sedans shaped like different length sausages?
The whole point of designing a product is to design what people want to buy. You can think what people want is wrong, but at the end of the day the point is to sell cars...and if you spend all that money designing a platform of cars that people don't want to buy thats a failure.
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Old Jul 10, 2025 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SW20S
If most people felt that way the EQS wouldn't be such a failure.
I guess with that logic the 7 series is a more attractive car then the S Class.
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Old Jul 10, 2025 | 06:03 PM
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I guess with that logic the 7 series is a more attractive car then the S Class.
I know several people who have them and think so. Honestly I kind of think they are better looking too. The primary issue people cite as to why they don't buy the EQS is the styling, and its lambasted in every review. If it were a hit with people they wouldn't be abandoning the whole EQ line and coming out with more traditional looking EVs.
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The whole point of designing a product is to design what people want to buy. You can think what people want is wrong, but at the end of the day the point is to sell cars...and if you spend all that money designing a platform of cars that people don't want to buy thats a failure.
Agree, but that's a different argument. You are saying MB should continue to design boring looking products, because that's what people buy. People may still view the EQS as modern and less boring just like @MBNUT1 observation, but at the end choose to buy the boring looking one for whatever reason. Maybe it's concerns about resale similar to why many people buy silver cars instead of more interesting colors.
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Agree, but that's a different argument. You are saying MB should continue to design boring looking products, because that's what people buy. People may still view the EQS as modern and less boring just like @MBNUT1 observation, but at the end choose to buy the boring looking one for whatever reason. Maybe it's concerns about resale similar to why many people buy silver cars instead of more interesting colors.
I'm saying MB should continue to design vehicles that look the way their buyers want them to look. Lets get real here, an EQS is not an exciting looking car lol. MB themselves are admitting the design is a failure and is discontinuing the whole line. If they didn't think the design was the issue they wouldn't abandon what they have invested so much in. If buyers overwhelmingly loved them the EQS sedan would not be the fastest depreciating car in the country...but it is.

Just read and watch reviews, look at the posts in the forums and comments on those reviews...its pretty obvious most people don't like the way these cars look. You should snap one up while you can.

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So was thinking about this and I think what it comes down to is the people prefer the S Class in large part for the ego stroke factor. The EQS which doesn't scream status symbol requires a more sophisticated buyer who isn't buying it to impress someone else but appreciates the engineering integrity of it and in my case it's reduced carbon footprint.

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I know several people who have them and think so. Honestly I kind of think they are better looking too. The primary issue people cite as to why they don't buy the EQS is the styling, and it’s lambasted in every review. If it were a hit with people they wouldn't be abandoning the whole EQ line and coming out with more traditional looking EVs.
Then why is it that so many people have been gushing over the looks of my EQS 580? I’m not exaggerating.They also ask me about the range and technology. They are fascinated to learn that the range is SO high.

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So was thinking about this and I think what it comes down to is the people prefer the S Class in large part for the ego stroke factor. The EQS which doesn't scream status symbol requires a more sophisticated buyer who isn't buying it to impress someone else but appreciates the engineering integrity of it and in my case it's reduced carbon footprint.
Anybody who buys a $130,000+ luxury car cares about the ego stroke factor to some degree. If they say they don't they are lying.

"A more sophisticated buyer" LOL, the car just doesn't sell well...buyers don't like it. Just because you like it and most people don't doesn't make you more sophisticated than most people.

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Then why is it that so many people have been gushing over the looks of my EQS 580? I’m not exaggerating.
Just read the comments I posted and everywhere else. Everybody that I know who has a new 7 Series tells me they get overwhelmingly positive reactions too...the proof is in the sales numbers and the reaction you see to the car. Neither car has broad appeal and thats an issue. In the case of the 7 the car is so incredible inside and has so much road presence and is so great to drive its overcoming that.
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I had never ridden the back of the EQS till I took one as a Taxi this spring. It fills the duties of a limo quite nicely. The legroom is phenomenal. I had plenty of headroom and it was very comfortable. The ride was superb, and it was superbly quiet. FUrtheremor, as we all know it has a cavernous cargo dpace. Its a superb limo.
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Moot point but if the EQS sedan looked anything like (or close to) the actual concept vision EQS, it might attract more buyers. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...lExaPRKT-Q7w&s
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I don’t at all mind that I’m the only owner of the EQS 580 in my area. In fact, I rather like it.
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I don’t at all mind that I’m the only owner of the EQS 580 in my area. In fact, I rather like it.
Which is how it used to be. In fact Mercedes were so rare that when one approached another they waved a beeped vs Cadillacs which were a common site. They appealed to those who had the intelligence to appreciate their less obvious qualities vs the look at me crowd.

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Then why is it that so many people have been gushing over the looks of my EQS 580? I’m not exaggerating.They also ask me about the range and technology. They are fascinated to learn that the range is SO high.
Same. When I read the reviews and people complaining about charging in general, I have lived a completely different experience. I've had more questions about my EQS in a good way than any Porsche or BMW I've ever owned. Fine, people can hate on it, but no one person has a corner on everything.
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Same. When I read the reviews and people complaining about charging in general, I have lived a completely different experience. I've had more questions about my EQS in a good way than any Porsche or BMW I've ever owned. fine, people can hate on it, but no one person has a corner on everything.
I can vouch for that. My EQS was the constant topic of conversation among most folks, wherever I went. My Panamera does draw some comments, but not as many. I still love the EQS. Steve and I have always disagreed, respectfully, about the looks of the EQS. He hates it, I love it. That's the way it goes, sometimes. What fantastic cars I have had the pleasure to own!
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