david_101

has anybody heard anything more about a possible G63?

i've read a couple of shorts and some postings elsewhere that engine changes -- 63 and 550 -- might be coming.

my dealer is offering "a great deal" on an MY08 G55 in granite grey. i could continue to wait patiently for a new engine...if one is anticipated.

please let me know your thoughts.

thanks,
dave

Guido1986

No havent heard anything yet.............I wanted to get a 08 because of the new headlights etc but decided to wait because they gotta be coming out with the 63 soon............

Schiznick

I thought this came up as a topic over on the AMG Private Lounge. They said the G would be sticking with the 5.5K

david_101

yes, i thought it would remain the 55k for torque reasons, but then i heard here and there that the 63 would be dropped in because the 55k engine was a fossil leaving production. i don't know anything more than the rumor.

david_101

i'm doing just the same.

Juice it

What is the deal they are offering? I spoke to 2 different dealers this week and both wouldn't sell for less than msrp. Its not like its a new hot model, whats the best you guys have seen price wise?

david_101

when i have the number, i'll let you know. D

kgzafar

MB not going to use 63 as it is not able to produce the same torque curve as 55K.

alroumi

And that it cannot benefit the G-class due to its weight where in which the G63 if produced will feel slower off the line than the G55K.

Germancar1

I can't see why anyone would want the 6.2L V8 in the G-Class. The 5.5L SC V8 fits perfectly with the character of the G and the heft.

M

Ted Baldwin

.........I doubted it before, but I am now convinced that the G63 is coming. Although I find it less attractive an engine in the W463, I don't see MB keeping the AMGV8K engine only for the W463. I think they say these things in order to keep people from delaying their purchase and waiting for next new thing. We are all being had, yet we don't learn. For those that prefer a G63, MB wants you to go ahead and buy the G55 now thinking that there will be no G63, then G63 comes out and you upgrade.

Ted

david_101

if it's possible to get substantially similar performance and greater efficiency from the new engine, then i cannot understand why anyone would want to retain the old engine.

ted, i think you're right, if only because there's no economic sense to continue building the 5.5k. otoh, there's not such economic sense to continuing the civilian G, but perhaps that's entirely another matter.

Ted Baldwin

............on the contrary, the civilian W463 especially the G55 has been a cash cow for Mercedes. Old chasis, C-class interior yet cult like following. It was demand for the w463 that prevent MB from discontinuing it 2 years ago.

Ted

david_101

i thought it was cult demand and not economic justification that kept the civilian G in production.

also, G sales numbers are very low and, at least until recent MYs, the warranty service costs i believe were relatively high.

so, although i am admittedly not very well informed, i see little economic sense for retaining the G line but probably significant marketing sense. all of which is just my two cents.

F_Porsche

Cult? MB peeeeep at cult as long as the money ain't right.

But I somehow can't see the 6.2 in the G. I read somewhere
that they also found the ML63 to not be perfect with that
engine. An 55K on the other hand works very well with the G
and who in hell would want an high revving truck?

david_101

i agree with you in principle.

unless military and other G versions are sold with the 55 engine -- i recall reading they're delivered with diesels -- what future is there for it? i believe the 55 engine is a goner.

certainly, you must agree that decisions aren't always made based on best use. quite often, they are made based upon best economic sense.

would someone out there know how to calculate the theoretical performance of a G63?

F_Porsche

thinking economically you are right! But would there be a market for a
G63? Would there be more people buy this than buying a G55K?

And as you might know the Zonda are still equipped with an AMG engine
that is not available (not by your normal dealer) for other MB models any
more. Thinking about the production numbers although the price could
be very high it shouldn't be very economic either!

Ted Baldwin

...........I think we are both saying the same thing. MB would not continue to make the W463 just for the cult status, if this did not translate to profits. The W463 sales are quite good. It is a low volume vehicle and they do sell, they hold their value better than any other benz and people want them.

Ted

david_101

i couldn't begin to speculate about whether the G55k or a G63 would sell better.

i can tell you that i would prefer a 63.

please tell me, is the 55 engine used now only in the SLK55 NA and the G55k?

Ted Baldwin

..........The advantage of a G55 over a G63 in theory is that the 63 engines perform best at higher rev rpm's while the 55K engine is a low end torque monster. For a true track car, a high rev engine may be better, but for a heavy brick house a low end torquey engine is more fun. You are seldom going to be safely driving a 600lb brick house at redline....except straight to prison.

.........yes the 55 engine is currently only available in the SLK55 and the G55. The former is a high compression NA 350HP engine and the later is a lower compression supercharged 500HP engine

Ted

Modeer

and the SL55
and the SLK uses the 5.5 (similar to the old ML55, no Kompressor)

But SERIOUSLY, what would you do? we're looking into a G and don't know:
assuming a 63 is coming, is the 55K more attractive?
is a non-modified 63 coming to the G, or one with more torque, etc. (G63K???). ----
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---> the $110K question(s).

NY_SG

Just get the G55k and sell it later if the G63 comes out if you want the G63.

G wagon dont change it's int and ext that often. So even if the G63 comes I think the inside would be about the same.

Anyways I just advice my friend to get a G55k I am hunting a car for myself. I can't afford a brand new S65 therefore looking for a used S65 haha.

So hopefully my friend's dealer can hook me up with one. Since we are getting cars at the same place.