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Old Jun 16, 2019 | 07:29 PM
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GL 420 cdi - Pressure in cooling system

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My cousin has a GL 420 cdi that has high pressure in the cooling system. We went to the dealership, they did CO2 test to see if there is any CO2 in the water. They didn't find any. They finally said it might be a head gasket problem. My cousin changed the right head gasket. But unfortunately he still has the problem. He is about to change the left one. Is there anyone here that had a similar problem or that could point us to potential sources for this problem ?

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When we turn on the car, the pressure stays normal. No particular problem. Even after letting the engine run for 5 minutes. When we use the car for a while, the hoses start to be very hard and if we open the water tank's cap, the pressure make water spill out of the tank.

Please tell us your taughts. We are trying to save his holidays with his kids.
Thanks a lot
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Old Jun 16, 2019 | 07:55 PM
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How do you.know you have high pressure? Spraying out of the tank when engine is hot is normal
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Old Jun 17, 2019 | 08:36 AM
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Yeah, that's normal when an engine starts to heat up

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Old Jun 17, 2019 | 09:50 AM
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It is unusual pressure. The hoses are rock hard after 5 minutes driving.
Anyone here have an idea of what could cause the problem ? It is the same symptom as a head gasket problem, but no CO2 in the water, no smoke, no water in oil.
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Old Jun 17, 2019 | 11:45 AM
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it might or might not be a leak. are you losing coolant? it is a leak in the head gasket.

not loosing coolant? recovery tank cap or thermostat
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Old Jun 17, 2019 | 11:56 AM
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He is not loosing coolant and we changed the thermostat. And when the car was at the Mercedes dealership, the guy tried to put an other cap, but the problem was still there.

He changed one of the two head gaskets so far, without success. The second is going to be changed this week. And if the problem is still there, I really don't know what we could try next.

The Mercedes dealership is not really helping.
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Old Jun 17, 2019 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Said Ridan
He is not loosing coolant and we changed the thermostat. And when the car was at the Mercedes dealership, the guy tried to put an other cap, but the problem was still there.

He changed one of the two head gaskets so far, without success. The second is going to be changed this week. And if the problem is still there, I really don't know what we could try next.

The Mercedes dealership is not really helping.
if he is not losing coolant and the pressure doesnt drop very quickly back to normal once the engine is off - you do not have a head gasket leak. replacing the other head gasket will not fix your issue

it is possible you have a clogged radiator or a pinched hose somewhere. diesels run very cool by default (when not pushed hard) so a clogged radiator would not result in higher engine or coolant temps, but a higher pressure is common on the supply side. check the hardness of the radiator on the exit side - if it is soft than you have a clogged radiator. if it is hard like the intake side - check the system for hose kinks

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Old Jun 17, 2019 | 08:11 PM
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Thank you alx ! I will check that tomorrow. It would be good if it was the radiator. Any cause would be good now as long as we find it now. I'll post a response tomorrow when we check.
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Is the return line hard too?
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Old Jun 18, 2019 | 09:36 AM
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Unfortunately it is also hard after the radiator, yes. So the investigation continues 😣

Someone told me that a clogged particle filter could result in having to much heat in the cooling system and having the water boiling and getting under pressure. I don't really know how this is possible. Have you guys ever heard of this ?
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Originally Posted by Said Ridan
Unfortunately it is also hard after the radiator, yes. So the investigation continues 😣

Someone told me that a clogged particle filter could result in having to much heat in the cooling system and having the water boiling and getting under pressure. I don't really know how this is possible. Have you guys ever heard of this ?
it does not work like that so, no...

what you might have is a collapsed hose on the return side. it might or might not be visible. if all hoses are correct i would look at the water pump. is it the stock one with the stock pulley?
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Old Jun 18, 2019 | 03:47 PM
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The hoses I see between the engine and the radiator all seem fine. 🤔

I think it is the stock pump, it looked like a normal pump. Are there different types of water pumps ?
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If you live in a very hot area, someone may have installed a smaller water pump pulley that spins the pump faster to move coolant through the system faster in hopes of the engine running cooler. One of the side effects could be an over pressurized system.
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Ah, we are in France, I don't think we need the special water pump pulley here, I'll try to see the part number to see if it is the right one.
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Old Jun 19, 2019 | 05:54 PM
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Apparently the water pump is the regular one.
We checked all the hoses we could see, they all seem alright. 🤔
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Old Jun 26, 2019 | 10:59 AM
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After removing the second head, we see this :

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there is no way you were not losing coolant through that gap
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Old Jun 26, 2019 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by alx
there is no way you were not losing coolant through that gap
True.
I guess the pressure made it difficult to spot, but I couldn't see noticeable difference in water level.

Thanks a lot for your help !

I think the Mercedes dealership where I went is a scammer. A friend warned me about him but I didn't listen. There should have been exhaust gas residue in my water. I should have bought a tester kit and tested it myself.

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Did your engine remove for Dichtung replacement

[QUOTE=alx;7788617]there is no way you were not losing coolant through that gap[/QUOTE did you have engine removed for Dichtung
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Check your compressor ..I'm sure is by passing pressure into the cooling system ..simply block those two. Water pipes by the compressor an start your engine. ...

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Originally Posted by Said Ridan
True.
I guess the pressure made it difficult to spot, but I couldn't see noticeable difference in water level.

Thanks a lot for your help !

I think the Mercedes dealership where I went is a scammer. A friend warned me about him but I didn't listen. There should have been exhaust gas residue in my water. I should have bought a tester kit and tested it myself.
Hi, i have in E420 CDI, same problem, lots of pressure on the water loop, it blew up my radiator.
Question, you resurface the head? The block? Because its a wet sleeve desing is there any problem with the reaurfracing? Thanks
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Hi all.
My cousin has a GL 420 cdi that has high pressure in the cooling system. We went to the dealership, they did CO2 test to see if there is any CO2 in the water. They didn't find any. They finally said it might be a head gasket problem. My cousin changed the right head gasket. But unfortunately he still has the problem. He is about to change the left one. Is there anyone here that had a similar problem or that could point us to potential sources for this problem ?

More info:
When we turn on the car, the pressure stays normal. No particular problem. Even after letting the engine run for 5 minutes. When we use the car for a while, the hoses start to be very hard and if we open the water tank's cap, the pressure make water spill out of the tank.

Please tell us your taughts. We are trying to save his holidays with his kids.
Thanks a lot
Hello,

Bit of a thread resurrection here; but when you say your cousin changed the right sode head gasket first, but it was the left side that finally solved the problem… you mean in terms of sitting inside the car looking ahead correct?

The right side is the UK Drivers Side, or US Passenger side correct?

Just double checking t see which side is most likely to be the problematic one so I can do extra tests. I know it’s 50:50 either way.
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When we use the car for a while, the hoses start to be very hard and if we open the water tank's cap, the pressure make water spill out of the tank
Sounds normal.

Replaced the head gasket? What made you think to do that? Milky oil? Oily coolant? Did you run the vehicle with the coolant cap off and look/listen for bubbles in the coolant? Sort of a big task to do a headgasket, just cause you might "think" its a problem.
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