Motor Trend SUV of the Year Finalist
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I wish MB luck. It's a really tough field of finalists this year. The Q7 and F-Pace have been subject to near universal praise, and Mazda has done wonders with the new CX-9. Plus Mazda benefits from underdog status, and we know the world loves an underdog. But will the CX-9's poor packaging do it in?
I don't think the Acadia moves the needle enough, but Motor Trend has shown a GM lean in recent years, so you never know.
I don't think the Acadia moves the needle enough, but Motor Trend has shown a GM lean in recent years, so you never know.
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I wish MB luck. It's a really tough field of finalists this year. The Q7 and F-Pace have been subject to near universal praise, and Mazda has done wonders with the new CX-9. Plus Mazda benefits from underdog status, and we know the world loves an underdog. But will the CX-9's poor packaging do it in?
I don't think the Acadia moves the needle enough, but Motor Trend has shown a GM lean in recent years, so you never know.
I don't think the Acadia moves the needle enough, but Motor Trend has shown a GM lean in recent years, so you never know.
Criteria
Design Advancement well-executed exterior and interior styling; innovative vehicle packaging; selection of materials
Engineering Excellence
vehicle concept and execution; clever solutions to packaging, manufacturing and dynamics issues; cost-effective technology that benefits the consumer
Efficiency
low fuel consumption and carbon footprint, relative to the vehicle's competitive set
Safety
active: help the driver avoid a crash; secondary: protect occupants from harm during a crash
Value
competitive price and equipment levels, measured against vehicles in the same market segment
Performance of Intended Function
how well the vehicle does the job its planners, designers, and engineers intended
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I wish MB luck. It's a really tough field of finalists this year. The Q7 and F-Pace have been subject to near universal praise, and Mazda has done wonders with the new CX-9. Plus Mazda benefits from underdog status, and we know the world loves an underdog. But will the CX-9's poor packaging do it in?
I don't think the Acadia moves the needle enough, but Motor Trend has shown a GM lean in recent years, so you never know.
I don't think the Acadia moves the needle enough, but Motor Trend has shown a GM lean in recent years, so you never know.
As do I. Altho the criteria (listed below), could give advantages to the GLC on value, engineering and maybe safety .... especially value against the audi and Jag
Criteria
Design Advancement...
Engineering Excellence...
Efficiency...
Safety...
Value...
Performance of Intended Function...
Criteria
Design Advancement...
Engineering Excellence...
Efficiency...
Safety...
Value...
Performance of Intended Function...
The Mazda, while a very nice vehicle, is lacking in performance--the engine is pretty small for such a large vehicle. Very well-appointed, though. I would definitely consider it if I were in the market for a full-sized SUV.
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As do I. Altho the criteria (listed below), could give advantages to the GLC on value, engineering and maybe safety .... especially value against the audi and Jag
Criteria
Design Advancement well-executed exterior and interior styling; innovative vehicle packaging; selection of materials
Engineering Excellence
vehicle concept and execution; clever solutions to packaging, manufacturing and dynamics issues; cost-effective technology that benefits the consumer
Efficiency
low fuel consumption and carbon footprint, relative to the vehicle's competitive set
Safety
active: help the driver avoid a crash; secondary: protect occupants from harm during a crash
Value
competitive price and equipment levels, measured against vehicles in the same market segment
Performance of Intended Function
how well the vehicle does the job its planners, designers, and engineers intended
Criteria
Design Advancement well-executed exterior and interior styling; innovative vehicle packaging; selection of materials
Engineering Excellence
vehicle concept and execution; clever solutions to packaging, manufacturing and dynamics issues; cost-effective technology that benefits the consumer
Efficiency
low fuel consumption and carbon footprint, relative to the vehicle's competitive set
Safety
active: help the driver avoid a crash; secondary: protect occupants from harm during a crash
Value
competitive price and equipment levels, measured against vehicles in the same market segment
Performance of Intended Function
how well the vehicle does the job its planners, designers, and engineers intended
I think the GLC is the front-runner, although I agree the Audi and Jag are strong contenders. The Jag has to be optioned heavily to be competitive, IMHO, and the Audi is damn expensive, so it depends on how heavily they weigh value. I think the GLC is the best all-around package and is well-balanced in all the criteria.
The Mazda, while a very nice vehicle, is lacking in performance--the engine is pretty small for such a large vehicle. Very well-appointed, though. I would definitely consider it if I were in the market for a full-sized SUV.
The Mazda, while a very nice vehicle, is lacking in performance--the engine is pretty small for such a large vehicle. Very well-appointed, though. I would definitely consider it if I were in the market for a full-sized SUV.
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Just announced the winner tonight and the GLC won!!!
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I agree with GLC as the JAG is good but the interior is pretty poor for the money.. Macan, the rear seat space is dire compared to the GLC and pricy..
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Really? Dirty sensors prevented cruise control? I'm assuming the article meant specifically the "adaptive" cruise control.
Has anyone run into this? This seems kind of like a non-issue to people who keep their car clean. I'm hoping this doesn't mean that if it rains just a tiny bit that the adaptive cruise control system can't work. I would assume MB wouldn't design a dud of a system like that and put that on a vehicle starting at ~$39k.
Has anyone run into this? This seems kind of like a non-issue to people who keep their car clean. I'm hoping this doesn't mean that if it rains just a tiny bit that the adaptive cruise control system can't work. I would assume MB wouldn't design a dud of a system like that and put that on a vehicle starting at ~$39k.
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Really? Dirty sensors prevented cruise control? I'm assuming the article meant specifically the "adaptive" cruise control.
Has anyone run into this? This seems kind of like a non-issue to people who keep their car clean. I'm hoping this doesn't mean that if it rains just a tiny bit that the adaptive cruise control system can't work. I would assume MB wouldn't design a dud of a system like that and put that on a vehicle starting at ~$39k.
Has anyone run into this? This seems kind of like a non-issue to people who keep their car clean. I'm hoping this doesn't mean that if it rains just a tiny bit that the adaptive cruise control system can't work. I would assume MB wouldn't design a dud of a system like that and put that on a vehicle starting at ~$39k.
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I've had it go wrong on my Golf R, there was also dirt build up but it was pretty severe. Rain doesn't affect it at all. However, a rock from the car infront got my sensor slightly moved. The realignment was eye wateringly expensive. No idea what it is with Mercedes as I didn't require it on my GL in 3 years 45K miles, and don't have it on my GLC.
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Really? Dirty sensors prevented cruise control? I'm assuming the article meant specifically the "adaptive" cruise control.
Has anyone run into this? This seems kind of like a non-issue to people who keep their car clean. I'm hoping this doesn't mean that if it rains just a tiny bit that the adaptive cruise control system can't work. I would assume MB wouldn't design a dud of a system like that and put that on a vehicle starting at ~$39k.
Has anyone run into this? This seems kind of like a non-issue to people who keep their car clean. I'm hoping this doesn't mean that if it rains just a tiny bit that the adaptive cruise control system can't work. I would assume MB wouldn't design a dud of a system like that and put that on a vehicle starting at ~$39k.
Since then have driven in heavy rain with no effect on Distronic.
The Operator's Manual, in two places, advises of this issue.
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there must have been some serious lack of suv choices this year........
the base GLC's 2.0 turbo is a joke of an engine. who wants a premium branded $50k+ vehicle that sounds like a $20k civic?
i'd much rather have the old glk's v6. not as efficient as the i4 turbo, but who gives 2 *****s about efficiency on a benz?????? Benzes are all about excess.
you want efficiency, get a CR-V, or RAV4. they are also a lot more usable day to day than a benz will ever be and MUCH cheaper. so much more value for your dollar.
the base GLC's 2.0 turbo is a joke of an engine. who wants a premium branded $50k+ vehicle that sounds like a $20k civic?
i'd much rather have the old glk's v6. not as efficient as the i4 turbo, but who gives 2 *****s about efficiency on a benz?????? Benzes are all about excess.
you want efficiency, get a CR-V, or RAV4. they are also a lot more usable day to day than a benz will ever be and MUCH cheaper. so much more value for your dollar.
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there must have been some serious lack of suv choices this year........
the base GLC's 2.0 turbo is a joke of an engine. who wants a premium branded $50k+ vehicle that sounds like a $20k civic?
i'd much rather have the old glk's v6. not as efficient as the i4 turbo, but who gives 2 *****s about efficiency on a benz?????? Benzes are all about excess.
you want efficiency, get a CR-V, or RAV4. they are also a lot more usable day to day than a benz will ever be and MUCH cheaper. so much more value for your dollar.
the base GLC's 2.0 turbo is a joke of an engine. who wants a premium branded $50k+ vehicle that sounds like a $20k civic?
i'd much rather have the old glk's v6. not as efficient as the i4 turbo, but who gives 2 *****s about efficiency on a benz?????? Benzes are all about excess.
you want efficiency, get a CR-V, or RAV4. they are also a lot more usable day to day than a benz will ever be and MUCH cheaper. so much more value for your dollar.
But I do agree a bit with the sentiment, whilst we have no petrol 4-cyl option, I do feel the same about the small diesels in the UK. And not just on the GLC but also on the E class. I just don't get it, sound horrible, and makes me feel like doing a Fred Flintstone. And not just Mercedes, the Audi ones are also underpowered.
Saying that, people are lapping them up like there is no tomorrow, so plenty of people like them and good on them. Mercedes does seem to know what they are doing....
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there must have been some serious lack of suv choices this year........
the base GLC's 2.0 turbo is a joke of an engine. who wants a premium branded $50k+ vehicle that sounds like a $20k civic?
i'd much rather have the old glk's v6. not as efficient as the i4 turbo, but who gives 2 *****s about efficiency on a benz?????? Benzes are all about excess.
you want efficiency, get a CR-V, or RAV4. they are also a lot more usable day to day than a benz will ever be and MUCH cheaper. so much more value for your dollar.
the base GLC's 2.0 turbo is a joke of an engine. who wants a premium branded $50k+ vehicle that sounds like a $20k civic?
i'd much rather have the old glk's v6. not as efficient as the i4 turbo, but who gives 2 *****s about efficiency on a benz?????? Benzes are all about excess.
you want efficiency, get a CR-V, or RAV4. they are also a lot more usable day to day than a benz will ever be and MUCH cheaper. so much more value for your dollar.
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Wow - totally disagree with you. I think it is an outstanding SUV!
there must have been some serious lack of suv choices this year........
the base GLC's 2.0 turbo is a joke of an engine. who wants a premium branded $50k+ vehicle that sounds like a $20k civic?
i'd much rather have the old glk's v6. not as efficient as the i4 turbo, but who gives 2 *****s about efficiency on a benz?????? Benzes are all about excess.
you want efficiency, get a CR-V, or RAV4. they are also a lot more usable day to day than a benz will ever be and MUCH cheaper. so much more value for your dollar.
the base GLC's 2.0 turbo is a joke of an engine. who wants a premium branded $50k+ vehicle that sounds like a $20k civic?
i'd much rather have the old glk's v6. not as efficient as the i4 turbo, but who gives 2 *****s about efficiency on a benz?????? Benzes are all about excess.
you want efficiency, get a CR-V, or RAV4. they are also a lot more usable day to day than a benz will ever be and MUCH cheaper. so much more value for your dollar.
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i know i must have rattled a beehive, but nevertheless it is my opinion.
i'm a petrolhead myself. i've never owned a 4 cyl car before. all i had was oldsmobile with a v8, mustang cobra with a v8, maxima v6, g35 v6, E320 v6. all of them sounded fantastic.
but now, being in my mid 30's, i wanted something luxurious, quiet, feel good to the touch, and refined car. My current C fits that criteria.
Don't get me wrong, the GLC is a great car, considering that it shares a lot with my current car + some bits from E class. but that engine is BLASPHEMY on a $50k car. The engine.............belongs on a sub $30k car. is not the lack of power, it provides plenty for everyday driving. But the sound? i'm embaarrassed to even press on the gas pedal all the way.
at least i save money on gas, LOL.
Again, just my opinion. i apologize if it offends anyone in any way.
i'm a petrolhead myself. i've never owned a 4 cyl car before. all i had was oldsmobile with a v8, mustang cobra with a v8, maxima v6, g35 v6, E320 v6. all of them sounded fantastic.
but now, being in my mid 30's, i wanted something luxurious, quiet, feel good to the touch, and refined car. My current C fits that criteria.
Don't get me wrong, the GLC is a great car, considering that it shares a lot with my current car + some bits from E class. but that engine is BLASPHEMY on a $50k car. The engine.............belongs on a sub $30k car. is not the lack of power, it provides plenty for everyday driving. But the sound? i'm embaarrassed to even press on the gas pedal all the way.
at least i save money on gas, LOL.
Again, just my opinion. i apologize if it offends anyone in any way.
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The manufacturers are under tremendous pressure to boost fuel economy 50 percent to a fleet average of 54.5 miles per gallon by 2025. That's why they have the smaller turbo engines, auto start/stop features and transmissions with 9 speeds.
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i know i must have rattled a beehive, but nevertheless it is my opinion.
i'm a petrolhead myself. i've never owned a 4 cyl car before. all i had was oldsmobile with a v8, mustang cobra with a v8, maxima v6, g35 v6, E320 v6. all of them sounded fantastic.
but now, being in my mid 30's, i wanted something luxurious, quiet, feel good to the touch, and refined car. My current C fits that criteria.
Don't get me wrong, the GLC is a great car, considering that it shares a lot with my current car + some bits from E class. but that engine is BLASPHEMY on a $50k car. The engine.............belongs on a sub $30k car. is not the lack of power, it provides plenty for everyday driving. But the sound? i'm embaarrassed to even press on the gas pedal all the way.
at least i save money on gas, LOL.
Again, just my opinion. i apologize if it offends anyone in any way.
i'm a petrolhead myself. i've never owned a 4 cyl car before. all i had was oldsmobile with a v8, mustang cobra with a v8, maxima v6, g35 v6, E320 v6. all of them sounded fantastic.
but now, being in my mid 30's, i wanted something luxurious, quiet, feel good to the touch, and refined car. My current C fits that criteria.
Don't get me wrong, the GLC is a great car, considering that it shares a lot with my current car + some bits from E class. but that engine is BLASPHEMY on a $50k car. The engine.............belongs on a sub $30k car. is not the lack of power, it provides plenty for everyday driving. But the sound? i'm embaarrassed to even press on the gas pedal all the way.
at least i save money on gas, LOL.
Again, just my opinion. i apologize if it offends anyone in any way.
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You know guys like him. Their bark is worse than their bite. It's all about loud noises and a narrow mindset on what masculinity is with those types of people.
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i know i must have rattled a beehive, but nevertheless it is my opinion.
i'm a petrolhead myself. i've never owned a 4 cyl car before. all i had was oldsmobile with a v8, mustang cobra with a v8, maxima v6, g35 v6, E320 v6. all of them sounded fantastic.
but now, being in my mid 30's, i wanted something luxurious, quiet, feel good to the touch, and refined car. My current C fits that criteria.
Don't get me wrong, the GLC is a great car, considering that it shares a lot with my current car + some bits from E class. but that engine is BLASPHEMY on a $50k car. The engine.............belongs on a sub $30k car. is not the lack of power, it provides plenty for everyday driving. But the sound? i'm embaarrassed to even press on the gas pedal all the way.
at least i save money on gas, LOL.
Again, just my opinion. i apologize if it offends anyone in any way.
i'm a petrolhead myself. i've never owned a 4 cyl car before. all i had was oldsmobile with a v8, mustang cobra with a v8, maxima v6, g35 v6, E320 v6. all of them sounded fantastic.
but now, being in my mid 30's, i wanted something luxurious, quiet, feel good to the touch, and refined car. My current C fits that criteria.
Don't get me wrong, the GLC is a great car, considering that it shares a lot with my current car + some bits from E class. but that engine is BLASPHEMY on a $50k car. The engine.............belongs on a sub $30k car. is not the lack of power, it provides plenty for everyday driving. But the sound? i'm embaarrassed to even press on the gas pedal all the way.
at least i save money on gas, LOL.
Again, just my opinion. i apologize if it offends anyone in any way.
Almost all of the auto makers have gone to smaller turbo engines. Yes, not as visceral as the larger ones, but everything is a tradeoff. Ample power and better mileage. And a big step forward to meet corporate mandates for fuel economy.
But then again, I'm currently driving an electric car, so it's not too hard to figure out which side of the power vs. efficiency fence I land on.
