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First post here. Decided to move from BMW 535i to MY 18 GLC. Working with a couple of dealers to put together a GLC 4Matic build but now beginning to think about 350e. Dealer order guide still shows 350e pricing to be announced. But wondering whether anyone could speculate the delta between the GLC 4Matic and the 350e.
First post here. Decided to move from BMW 535i to MY 18 GLC. Working with a couple of dealers to put together a GLC 4Matic build but now beginning to think about 350e. Dealer order guide still shows 350e pricing to be announced. But wondering whether anyone could speculate the delta between the GLC 4Matic and the 350e.
I was checking out prices a couple of days ago on germany mb website, and if you take those prices as reference, the difference should be about $4-6k US I believe.
Please do keep in mind that the 350e still uses the old 7g transmission ... in-case that makes a difference in your decision. From what I have read (as I didn't test drive a 7g transmission car), the new 9g transmission is supposed to shift more smoothly by far than the 7g. Here's some info between the differences: http://www.loebermotors.com/blog/wha...-transmission/
Thanks. Yes, the 7-speed vs 9-speed is of concern offset by the economics-- tax credit and lower operating costs. Definitely delaying ordering a GLC300 pending all of the 350e numbers.
Originally Posted by arch85
I was checking out prices a couple of days ago on germany mb website, and if you take those prices as reference, the difference should be about $4-6k US I believe.
Please do keep in mind that the 350e still uses the old 7g transmission ... in-case that makes a difference in your decision. From what I have read (as I didn't test drive a 7g transmission car), the new 9g transmission is supposed to shift more smoothly by far than the 7g. Here's some info between the differences: http://www.loebermotors.com/blog/wha...-transmission/
I drive a 350e and think its a great car; certainly cheaper then the 43, with approx. the same power (from the gas and electric engine together).
The reason it has the "old" 7G and not the new 9G transmission, is the fact that the complete electric drive system is incorporated into the transmission; therefore they can not simply replace the 7G with the 9G; it must be completely re-designed!
I just got a MB GLC 350e, a week ago. I had to 6 months and a half for the car. Is really niece and easy to drive. Real fast reaction. But i am vert worried about consumption without electric energy. Once u use it in the hybrid mode, like a normal hybrid car, my consuption in city is amost 12 l/100km and in highway 10 l/100 km. I can´t see no advantage righ now in the car and i suspect i might have a problem in my engine, because a normal gasoline mercedes car , like de GLC 250, spends much less gasoline. What do you all think? Thank you
I have about 7.5 L/100K on the highway when the battery is empty, but much less driving in the city as short distances can (should?) be done electrically.
(edit: this is with the tank filled for approx 1/3d)
(second edit: if you never plug it in, it consumes more than a regular GLC because of the weight; to me it would seem foolish to buy a 350e and never charge the battery, as the tax benefit will definitely be offset by higher fuel costs)
Last edited by Talisker; Jul 23, 2017 at 03:25 PM.
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I was checking out prices a couple of days ago on germany mb website, and if you take those prices as reference, the difference should be about $4-6k US I believe.
Please do keep in mind that the 350e still uses the old 7g transmission ... in-case that makes a difference in your decision. From what I have read (as I didn't test drive a 7g transmission car), the new 9g transmission is supposed to shift more smoothly by far than the 7g. Here's some info between the differences: http://www.loebermotors.com/blog/wha...-transmission/
Hope that helps!
i thought the 9 speed was more efficient than the 7 i am surprised they didn't use the 9
but then perhaps while developing the 350e the 9 was too new or not ready yet?
I own GLC43 but I also have a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV hybrid which is now 3 years old. My view is that a plug-in hybrid only really makes sense in economic terms if you have access to charging (ideally overnight at home) and the majority of your trips are under 20 miles. It works well in an urban environment but less so over longer distances where it is simply a GLC300 humping an extra 200kg or so around.
I use my PHEV in London - it's great and there are tax and parking advantages here. It also has never broken down and Mitsubishi have clearly spent their R&D budget on the powertrain.
However, out of town it's the GLC43 every time.
Thank you for your quick answer. I am waiting for my wall box to be installed. But I can't still understand how a plug in hybrid doesn't work the same as good as normal hybrid car once the electric engine is empty. The objective of this kind of cars is to improve the lower consumption of a normal hybrid car. Right now I have to asume that this engine works worst than a normal hybrid car or that my particular car has some kind of a problem. I have drived the car with full and empty electric engine. And the consumption after 60 km in the city is of 5 l/100 km with electic engine full and of 12 l/100 km with electric engine empty. If some of you could try to drive with empty electric engine would be nice for understand if there is something wrong with the system plug-in hybrid. Thank you.
QUOTE=Talisker;7217954]I have about 7hdjjsjsejej.5 L/100K on the highway when the battery is empty, but much less driving in the city as short distances can (should?) be done electrically.
(edit: this is with the tank filled for approx 1/3d)
(second edit: if you never plug it in, it consumes more than a regular GLC because of the weight; to me it would seem foolish to buy a 350e and never charge the battery, as the tax benefit will definitely be offset by higher fuel costs)[/QUOTE]
Thank you for your quick answer. I am waiting for my wall box to be installed. But I can't still understand how a plug in hybrid doesn't work the same as good as normal hybrid car once the electric engine is empty. The objective of this kind of cars is to improve the lower consumption of a normal hybrid car. Right now I have to asume that this engine works worst than a normal hybrid car or that my particular car has some kind of a problem. I have drived the car with full and empty electric engine. And the consumption after 60 km in the city is of 5 l/100 km with electic engine full and of 12 l/100 km with electric engine empty. If some of you could try to drive with empty electric engine would be nice for understand if there is something wrong with the system plug-in hybrid. Thank you.
QUOTE=Talisker;7217954]I have about 7hdjjsjsejej.5 L/100K on the highway when the battery is empty, but much less driving in the city as short distances can (should?) be done electrically.
(edit: this is with the tank filled for approx 1/3d)
(second edit: if you never plug it in, it consumes more than a regular GLC because of the weight; to me it would seem foolish to buy a 350e and never charge the battery, as the tax benefit will definitely be offset by higher fuel costs)
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i am not 100% familiar with the 350e. On a full charge does it travel on electric exclusively and then use gas engine when battery is depleted?
And if so what is the estimated range on just electric?
i am not 100% familiar with the 350e. On a full charge does it travel on electric exclusively and then use gas engine when battery is depleted?
And if so what is the estimated range on just electric?
You might want to read the manual first (you should have received a separate hybrid manual). Then experiment, that's the fun part of owning a new car (*).
Anyway, the default setting of the 350e is "hybrid", the car then chooses what is best depending on your driving style, the road (uphill vs downhill) and the remaining charge (and your route if you're using navigation, it's supposed to reserve battery use for the city). Fully automatic, and most of the time its behavior makes sense. The switch from and to petrol engine is smooth and rather silent, you just see a jump in the rpm (0 -> 1500/2000 and back).
There's a separate button southwest from the trackpad where you can set the electrical engine's behavior manually: E-mode just let you drive purely electrically; the range is highly dependent of your driving style (*) and circumstances (lights on/off, wipers on/off, eco vs sport mode, heating/airco,...). The display might indicate 30 km but usually it switches to the "Charge car" icon sooner, but after that you'll still be able to continue driving electrically in slower stretches (the indicator switch occurs at 1/4 charge but you can continue to use the battery).
The two other modes I never use: purely petrol engine mode, and a charging mode, where the petrol engine charges the battery while driving, obviously consuming even more fuel (i.e the 350e does not really work like a non-plug-in hybrid).
(*) You really have to learn to adapt your driving style to the way the 350e works, and it might take a while to do so. One example might be that you lift your foot from the pedal the moment you see a situation where will need to stop, and just idle the car to that stop, saving the battery, and with the collusion detection on it will brake automatically and charge the battery (if not braking yourself will charge too of course). After 3000K, I think I've become pretty good in gauging the car's behavior in Hybrid mode and thus have the battery last as long as possible.
Hello guys. Today I was on The Mercedes place where I bought my car. They found it rare the consumption my car is having (10 l/100km) in hybrid mode. So they sad to me to try to do 3000-4000 km to see if this is de adaption phase of the cara ( I have already done 1700 km). Other clients don't have this problem inclusively running for long kms/miles with empty energy motor. The guy said that is is really fast the recovery of batteries during the ride with the breaking and desaceleration , but in my car i usually don't see that the battery goes up than 12 to 14%. Don't know if this might be the problem ( not recharging properly during the ride)....I will try and see. If some of you ride for long kms/miles ( at least 300 km) please let me know your consumption. Thank you all very much.
Finding this discussion enlightening as I decide whether to order gasoline version now or wait for US release of 350e. I am curious about the price difference in your respective countries between the GLC300 and GLC350e. It may not translate directly to a US price differential but it could give some indication.
The guy said that is is really fast the recovery of batteries during the ride with the breaking and desaceleration , but in my car i usually don't see that the battery goes up than 12 to 14%.
He is either blatantly lying or he hasn't driven one of MB's hybrid cars. The battery does charge during braking, but it doesn't add too much to the overall charge, unless you'd have a very long downhill stretch (or you opt to charge while driving, which defeats the purpose of the car). You just have to plug it in.
Originally Posted by brunomca1981
If some of you ride for long kms/miles ( at least 300 km) please let me know your consumption. Thank you all very much.
Went to the seaside last weekend, 150k each way = 300k, starting off with a full battery but no recharge, mostly highway and no traffic jams: 7.4 L/100km. Daytime, no rain, no speeding, easy acceleration, etc.
My sales guy was just the opposite to yours: he said that it would consume about 11 L/100km on highways... He probably has a more aggressive driving style.
As to the difference in price: 4000 euro more for the 350e than the 300, base price. That is compensated for by lower after sale taxes here.
Thank you very much. You are the second person who tells me that consumptions in highway are of 7,5 l/100 km. My car is doing about 10,5 in highway. I will do the 3000-4000 km that they said to me. I think that if it doesn't goes down probably has some kind of problem or simply they are selling u a car with a electric engine and with a combustion engine. And that is no hybrid mode at all like all other hybrid cars. In this case I will take legal measures because the car wasn't put they say it is ( they have inclusively said to me , that this is the normal for a GT car not for an hybrid......). I just wanted to be enjoying the softness of an hybrid, gasoline, electric car....and right now I am looking for the white bar not to get to the red zone, cause in the city it might represent more than 12 l/100 km.....
For us on the other side of the pond, 7.4L/100km converts to just under 32mpg. The US EPA rating is 21/28 mpg with 24mpg average. That is really not a radical difference. But a price spread of 4000 euro converts to about $4600-4700. Federal Income Tax credit would be a maximum of $7500. That is why I have a feeling that MB USA will price it much higher and market the tax credit. On the other hand, the BMW 530e is priced only $2000 above the comparable gasoline only model. And it has a tax credit of $4688.
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