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Old 12-21-2018, 10:50 PM
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The top line coming off the 2nd row window trim might be a little weird.
saw that, I guess black would be the only viable option but I've decided no more black cars...getting too old to deal with that lol
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saw that, I guess black would be the only viable option but I've decided no more black cars...getting too old to deal with that lol


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This from a guy that wanted a GLE 53😀 Lots of people want performance from an SUV and that doesnít necessarily mean less comfort. There is a big difference between the entry level GLE350 and the AMG versions. Even E-ABC starts to deliver the sporty features of a sports vehicle or the comfort of a luxury SUV. Like MB, the SQ5 has air suspension and driving modes from Comfort to Dynamic. An SUV will never be a sports car-too heavy and a high center of gravity. In 2018 the SQ5 had the most advanced tech of any vehicle except for Tesla, IMO. Donít knock it if you havenít tried it!
I would consider a GLE 53 if has the same I6 engine, comfortable seats, and doesn't sound like a race care. I test drove several GLS 63's and could never pull the trigger because the AMG seats were not comfortable and the louder exhaust note. Other buyers who enjoy and want those in there cars can buy whatever they want, it's there money. It just seems impractical to me for a SUV. I think MB offer's AMG 43/53 variants for buyers like me that want the great look of an AMG without a hand-built V8 engine and louder exhaust. The AMG purist don't seem to care for the 43/53 variants, viewing them as AMG look-a-likes only. And they may be right about that but MB is in the business of selling us cars we want to buy. Thus the available AMG Exterior Line package for the GLE 450. Perfect for buyers like me.
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Old 12-22-2018, 09:33 AM
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We are prepared to wait 6mos if necessary...hope that is long enough
That may be optimistic since a current order for a GLE could be close to 6 months out. If I were betting on a date it would be 10-12 months out. The Coupe is next in line according to the lone article I could find.
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I would consider a GLE 53 if has the same I6 engine, comfortable seats, and doesn't sound like a race care. I test drove several GLS 63's and could never pull the trigger because the AMG seats were not comfortable and the louder exhaust note. Other buyers who enjoy and want those in there cars can buy whatever they want, it's there money. It just seems impractical to me for a SUV. I think MB offer's AMG 43/53 variants for buyers like me that want the great look of an AMG without a hand-built V8 engine and louder exhaust. The AMG purist don't seem to care for the 43/53 variants, viewing them as AMG look-a-likes only. And they may be right about that but MB is in the business of selling us cars we want to buy. Thus the available AMG Exterior Line package for the GLE 450. Perfect for buyers like me.
I was just messing with you Joe. Talk about overkill on 63’s....The Las Vegas Mercedes Dealer had 42 GLE 63’s in stock last fall and over half were 63S models. They had 22 GLE 43’s and combined that was about half of their inventory of GLE models. At least that was what was listed in inventory and may include custom orders. 5-6 weeks later those numbers were reduced to just over half. I’m guessing that for the most part the 63 is a status thing. Another impractical vehicle (IMO) is the G wagon.....North of $150M and an ugly boxy thing but they are selling well! For whatever reason, people’s tastes seem to vary a lot. My life has always involved business during the week and motorized toys for fun. That spills over into my taste for vehicles within limits that are practical to me.

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Old 12-22-2018, 11:54 AM
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While we are waiting for news, here’s a look at a wild concept from Lexus from the LA Auto Show.. They are hitting R&D pretty heavy the next 5 years.
https://www.lexus.com/concept/lf-1-limitless/#/2
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While we are waiting for news, here’s a look at a wild concept from Lexus from the LA Auto Show.. They are hitting R&D pretty heavy the next 5 years.
https://www.lexus.com/concept/lf-1-limitless/#/2
I saw this early but noticed they didn't spend much time on the infotainment system. Lexus is so very far behind in this area. I owned several RX's, a LS 460, and finally a LX 560 before jumping ship with our first GL 550. I haven't looked back since. The new grills look awful (IMO) on their current SUV lineup. It looks better on their cars and this concept is a bit of an improvement. But overall, they are just to polarizing. Is it just me or is the new RX ugly? I would never buy one of those.
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Old 12-22-2018, 04:54 PM
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That may be optimistic since a current order for a GLE could be close to 6 months out. If I were betting on a date it would be 10-12 months out. The Coupe is next in line according to the lone article I could find.
So be it...if we cant get the 22's, nor massaging seats when ordering AMG line I guess we will have to wait. It will also give MB some time to get the bugs out of the new platform etc
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Old 12-22-2018, 05:02 PM
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So be it...if we cant get the 22's, nor massaging seats when ordering AMG line I guess we will have to wait. It will also give MB some time to get the bugs out of the new platform etc
I could be wrong but I didn't thing the AMG's came with MsgSeats in the past. As I recall they are a little more heavily bolstered. But waiting makes good sense, something I may be lacking.
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Old 12-22-2018, 05:20 PM
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I could be wrong but I didn't thing the AMG's came with MsgSeats in the past. As I recall they are a little more heavily bolstered. But waiting makes good sense, something I may be lacking.
Was hoping the non-performance seats on the AMG's would permit the massage feature. This is becoming a bit of a quandary.
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Old 12-22-2018, 05:24 PM
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Was hoping the non-performance seats on the AMG's would permit the massage feature. This is becoming a bit of a quandary.
I just checked and they are available for 2019 so you are good to go... Sorry, poor memory!
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Old 12-22-2018, 05:37 PM
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Why would the massage seats be availble in the current gle 43 coupe and not the new 53 gle?
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Old 12-22-2018, 05:44 PM
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I just checked and they are available for 2019 so you are good to go... Sorry, poor memory!
We must have just cross posted...thanks. I still cant undetstand why these then would not work/be available in the 450 GLE w/ amg line?

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Old 12-22-2018, 06:39 PM
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We must have just cross posted...thanks. I still cant undetstand why these then would not work/be available in the 450 GLE?
Its not unusual during ramp up to keep it simple and add options as things get going. Mercedes has s total redesign so to keep quality control this may be their way.

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Old 12-22-2018, 09:07 PM
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My wife and I were talking last night about the GLE and other competitors we drove during this search. She said something in regards to another less expensive SUV which was that I may be happy with it for a year or so but cautioned that I would end up unhappy with it in the long term. In my heart I knew I was never truly convinced that I would be happy driving an SUV every day coming out of my Audi S4 6MT. The statement resonated in me and I kept hearing it in my head until I came clean about the situation.

I did the only logical thing I could do which was take delivery of a new Audi S6 today.

I want to extend thanks to everyone for their insight and help on the new GLE. I'm sure I'll continue to check-inperiodically, as I'm sure it will be a beautiful vehicle. Perhaps the new GLE will be a good candidate to replace my wife's MDX when it's time.

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Old 12-23-2018, 12:22 AM
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My wife and I were talking last night about the GLE and other competitors we drove during this search. She said something in regards to another less expensive SUV which was that I may be happy with it for a year or so but cautioned that I would end up unhappy with it in the long term. In my heart I knew I was never truly convinced that I would be happy driving an SUV every day coming out of my Audi S4 6MT. The statement resonated in me and I kept hearing it in my head until I came clean about the situation.

I did the only logical thing I could do which was take delivery of a new Audi S6 today.

I want to extend thanks to everyone for their insight and help on the new GLE. I'm sure I'll continue to check-inperiodically, as I'm sure it will be a beautiful vehicle. Perhaps the new GLE will be a good candidate to replace my wife's MDX when it's time.
Congrats on your decision! Hope you don’t miss the clutch pedal too much! I think a mix of vehicle types in a family is best. No sense having two SUVs. Thanks for your participation in the discussion.
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Old 12-23-2018, 01:19 PM
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How's the brake dust on the GLE's? I must say our Q7 has literally near none? It was pretty bad on our S class cars.
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How's the brake dust on the GLE's? I must say our Q7 has literally near none? It was pretty bad on our S class cars.
In my experience quite a bit of dust, maybe not as bad as BMWs.

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In my experience quite a bit of dust, maybe not as bad as BMWs.
too bad...why canít mb use the same pads as Audi does in Q7/8...this is 2020, not 1980!

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too bad...why can’t mb use the same pads as Audi does in Q7/8...this is 2020, not 1980!

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Does your Q7 have Grey wheels? My SQ5 has a terrible amount of dust but I didn’t notice much on the factory wheels. On Crome or Machined with clear coat it’s a weekly cleaning job. I go by a self wash with a wand sprayer, apply some cleaner and $2 later get most of it but still have to wipe each spoke. I have the Grey factory wheels on with my winter tires and can see the dust is there if I stare at it but it’s subdued.
I’ve been researching options for a year. What I now believe is that there is no affordable brake/rotor performance replacement. Looking at brakes any rated with higher stopping power have a higher dust rating. Porsche has a high dollar Ceramic accessory add that’s in the $10-12M range that supposedly gets the stopping power with lower brake dust. I was hoping that that GLE 53 would come with regenerative brakes like those rumored for the SQ8. That would get rid of the dust. Brake dust must be a consumer complaint because it was a line item on my survey from Audi asking about issues.

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Does your Q7 have Grey wheels? My SQ5 has a terrible amount of dust but I didn’t notice much on the factory wheels. On Crome or Machined with clear coat it’s a weekly cleaning job. I go by a self wash with a wand sprayer, apply some cleaner and $2 later get most of it but still have to wipe each spoke. I have the Grey factory wheels on with my winter tires and can see the dust is there if I stare at it but it’s subdued.
I’ve been researching options for a year. What I now believe is that there is no affordable brake/rotor performance replacement. Looking at brakes any rated with higher stopping power have a higher dust rating. Porsche has a high dollar Ceramic accessory add that’s in the $10-12M range that supposedly gets the stopping power with lower brake dust. I was hoping that that GLE 53 would come with regenerative brakes like those rumored for the SQ8. That would get rid of the dust. Brake dust must be a consumer complaint because it was a line item on my survey from Audi asking about issues.
No, the optional 21 silver wheels and almost 0 dust and 0 performance issues...the Q7/8's use ceramic pads. My 911's and turbos w/o ceramic system were good too. No issue with past Ferraris either. MB and BMW seem to be the worst ever. Hoping MB changed the pad material to a ceramic/ceramic mix for the new MB models.
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No, the optional 21 silver wheels and almost 0 dust and 0 performance issues...the Q7/8's use ceramic pads. My 911's and turbos w/o ceramic system were good too. No issue with past Ferraris either. MB and BMW seem to be the worst ever. Hoping MB changed the pad material to a ceramic/ceramic mix for the new MB models.
Like I said Iím no expert but my Audi SQ5 also has Ceramic pads, oversize bakes and lots of dust. But it will stop on a dime...when we first got it my wife almost put me through the windshield several times. The 2018 Q5 has low dust but itís stopping power isnít very good. Iíve had one as a loaner when I took ours in for service.
I hate brake dust and agree with you....Mercedes give us low dust brakes! There must be a way besides the high dollar Porsche ones. My truck has 100M mile brakes and rotors- my Audi 30M. Unfortunately, Mercedes designed & sourced brakes long ago so all we can do is hope.
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Just a quick follow up. Here’s a short note about the new 2019 Porsche Cayenne brakes;

The Cayenne also debuts new Porsche Surface Coated Brakes as an option. These consist of a cast-iron disc with a tungsten-carbide coating that increases friction at the same time it reduces wear and brake dust. Price $3490
Option 2 is Porsche Ceramic Composite Brakes (PCCB) $9,080


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The Cayenne also debuts new Porsche Surface Coated Brakes as an option. These consist of a cast-iron disc with a tungsten-carbide coating that increases friction at the same time it reduces wear and brake dust. Price $3490
Option 2 is Porsche Ceramic Composite Brakes (PCCB) $9,080


I was on the fence about E-ABC because of the $6,490 up charge compared to AIRMATIC ($1,610) but after seeing the price of ceramic brakes for the Porsche Cayenne, I thought why not try to add E-ABC to my build. My dealer called Distribution who said they'll call Germany on my behalf. It may be to late to change my build but no harm in trying.


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