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H rated at 130MPH....”very compromised handling”??? I don’t agree. If you want stiff sidewalls go Runflats. I’m an aggressive driver and my GLE 450 with H rated Michelin’s took all I could give them with the suspension being the weak point. We don’t run these on a race track.
You're taking what I said out of content. Try your GLE450, the one "with suspension being the weak point", with summer only Y/W (175+ mph) rated tires, same size. I know you will feel the difference on the street and it will not be only in firmer ride. 450 will handle and stop certainly better with summers. Why are you getting 53 (available only with summer tires) if not for handling/stopping, since I remember you've stated elsewhere you are very happy/content with 450's performance (53 is only marginally quicker)? Finally, why does MB supply GLE53/63 (as it did W166 ML/GLE63s) in 21" with summer only tires, when A/S H rated are available and are supplied on 350/450/580? Answer: Handling and Stopping, on the street (why even bring the race track into SUV conversation?). You may or may not know that tire choice is a major point of suspension tuning by MB at the factory.
You're taking what I said out of content. Try your GLE450, the one "with suspension being the weak point", with summer only Y/W (175+ mph) rated tires, same size. I know you will feel the difference on the street and it will not be only in firmer ride. 450 will handle and stop certainly better with summers. Why are you getting 53 (available only with summer tires) if not for handling/stopping, since I remember you've stated elsewhere you are very happy/content with 450's performance (53 is only marginally quicker)? Finally, why does MB supply GLE53/63 (as it did W166 ML/GLE63s) in 21" with summer only tires, when A/S H rated are available and are supplied on 350/450/580? Answer: Handling and Stopping, on the street (why even bring the race track into SUV conversation?). You may or may not know that tire choice is a major point of suspension tuning by MB at the factory.
Sorry, I thought the language was a little too strong about H rated tires.
Keep in mind that the only A/S 22" staggered tire available in GLE's sizes I know of is H speed rated (they are also about $2,500+ a set).
I had to double check this because the cost blew my mind. But it’s true, Tirerack only carries one option in the U.S. for all-season tires that fit the GLE 22” OEM wheels and they are pricey. https://m.tirerack.com/tires/TireSea...rDiameter=22#0
If you have a performance summer tire and travel into freezing temperatures then you need a second set of tires-AS or Winters. Here’s a quote from Tire Rack but you can also find this warning on Michelin performance tires.
”If ambient temperatures drop to near- or below-freezing, driving or rolling a vehicle equipped with summer performance tires risks the possibility of tread compound cracking. Tread compound cracking is a permanent condition that requires the tires to be replaced.”
Sorry, I thought the language was a little too strong about H rated tires.
Maybe. However, I stand by stated especially in its context. My post (the one you disagree with) was meant for TempeAndy to underline great handling/performance/stopping difference between 20" square H speed rating Touring A/S tires vs. 22" staggered Y/W speed rating UHP/Max Summer tires.
To take it a further, there's unquestionable difference between the two even in the same size (i.e. 21" on 350/450/580 vs 21" 53/63, not comparing cars, just tires on the same car). Some may not feel it as much, but some do. I fall into latter hence my opinion. Generally disagreements are good, that's how we get to the truth.
Maybe. However, I stand by stated especially in its context. My post (the one you disagree with) was meant for TempeAndy to underline great handling/performance/stopping difference between 20" square H speed rating Touring A/S tires vs. 22" staggered Y/W speed rating UHP/Max Summer tires.
To take it a further, there's unquestionable difference between the two even in the same size (i.e. 21" on 350/450/580 vs 21" 53/63, not comparing cars, just tires on the same car). Some may not feel it as much, but some do. I fall into latter hence my opinion. Generally disagreements are good, that's how we get to the truth.
So to clarify did you mean that the 20" all-seasons are only available in H? I just looked on TireRack and among the non-RFT options see there are two H-rated Mercedes OEM (Cooper Discoverer SRX LE and Michelin Primacy Tour A/S) which would both be a total disappointment. I know from experience we won't be happy with A/S that are completely geared towards comfort and tread life. The third option, however, is Pirelli SCORPION ZERO ASIMMETRICO, a W rated tire that would be the only choice I'd be happy with.
Thanks a ton for pointing that out; while I can replace the OEM 20" with better tires down the road, it kind of ruins the new vehicle experience. The only reason I'm considering A/S at all is because this is my wife's car, not mine, and I don't have room to store two sets of A/S tires for our short cold season. That being said, when I drive it I'd like to enjoy it.
I'll contact my SA and try to get clarity on what speed rating of tires might be fitted. I'd like to hope it would be the Pirellis on a 580, but that could be only wishful thinking. If I can't get a firm answer I'll go up to 22".
TempeAndy, I'm not saying that 275/50-20s A/S are available only in H speed rating. What I'm saying is that to my knowledge when MB fits square A/S tires (the ones you've mentioned) for 167 GLE 350/450/580 US application, they are only H speed rating.
If not 22", I would certainly get 21" wheels/tires on 580 (I know you do not like the wheels, but they probably will grow on you with time), even though tires most likely(see below) still will be H speed rated, handling will certainly benefit from shorter sidewall(minimal if any ride penalty) and staggered setup. I would not settle for 20s on 450 and certainly not on 580/53.
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Amazingly there is one 53 I saw with 20s, even though summers Y speed rated, still very tall sidewall for my liking.
Also looks like 53s when fitted with 21" option are supplied with A/S V speed rated tires, so maybe these V speed rated A/S tires are also supplied for 580, but there is no way to know for sure until one check out 580 with 21s and sees what the tires are installed. The problem is there are less 580s than even 63s. Looks like this is the tire on 53 with 21":
If you have a performance summer tire and travel into freezing temperatures then you need a second set of tires-AS or Winters. Here’s a quote from Tire Rack but you can also find this warning on Michelin performance tires.
”If ambient temperatures drop to near- or below-freezing, driving or rolling a vehicle equipped with summer performance tires risks the possibility of tread compound cracking. Tread compound cracking is a permanent condition that requires the tires to be replaced.”
Ok, now I’m really smashing my head and pissed. If I purchase this car it was going to be our family car to go everywhere with, similar to what we do now In our current GLE. We live in the southeast so very seldom to we get snow but we do get freezing temps during the winter.
Did I miss something in the DOG or MBUSA build website about summer tires only for 22” wheels?
Did I miss something in the DOG or MBUSA build website about summer tires only for 22” wheels?
No you did not, but this info is normally not included. However, W166 GLE coupes produced for 4 years, when equipped with 22" option with the same exact tire sizes as 167 22" option, all had summer tires. That was the clue. There aren't any A/S 22" option except for one I noted in one of the above posts.
No you did not, but this info is normally not included. However, W166 GLE coupes produced for 4 years, when equipped with 22" option with the same exact tire sizes as 167 22" option, all had summer tires. That was the clue. There aren't any A/S 22" option except for one I noted in one of the above posts.
Thanks. It seems I always miss one thing when I order a new car. Hopefully this will be it.
The GLE DOG specifically lists Factory Tire Size and Factory Tire Type for each wheel selection on page #11 - and any salesperson with experience knows up thru 2021 the 22"s come with Performance Tires - and that is called out on the factory Build-sheet/MSRP too
Well there is my problem. I have hardly ever found a knowledgeable sales person. Usually I have to tell them something and I have very little knowledge on the matters. And that last photo by @joejones81 is some type of foreign language to me. Other than the sizes, I’m lost. It’s like me asking someone to go get a spacer wrench or what is the PDP to get me a 90NP on 150’ of 1 3/4 split line from 200’ 2 1/2.
Where are the 2021 GLE 580’s? I recently got word that mine has now been delayed about 2 months. So I’m looking at mid to late Jan. 2021 delivery now. WTH is going on with the 580’s!!
Maybe it is time to give up and go get an SQ7.
Where are the 2021 GLE 580’s? I recently got word that mine has now been delayed about 2 months. So I’m looking at mid to late Jan. 2021 delivery now. WTH is going on with the 580’s!!
Maybe it is time to give up and go get an SQ7.
The Audi would be a great 2nd choice. Crappy deal, I share your frustration. I vowed to stop ordering these cars when I know there will be delays. This is my third in a row with 7 months; 6 months & now close to 6 months on my pending 53. The first two were pre-orders of a new Gen so I knew there would be a delay. They always seem to take a few months longer though. Just when you think it’s coming...anticipation high...then they pull the plug.
My guess would be the engine is the reason for delay since it shares the base engine with the 63S that’s probably in high demand now. My dealer is selling stock vehicles before the car arrives. SA says people think they are going out of business since they have no inventory on hand.
@Ron.s I oringally started this process in early Feb. Now I did agree in late May to just push the car to a 2021 model since they had no idea when the 2020 would get here (COVID shut down) and my SA said it would only add about 6-7 weeks for a 2021, but this is just gettting ridiculous.
I never understood why if you have a client that wants to give you money for a product, why in hell they can not delivery that product or at least communicate what is going on. That is also part of my frustration. Lack of too no communication or reason as to why.
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They may not know what to say about delays since there are multiple reasons...or they could be stringing us along so we don’t go to the competition. Porsche and Audi are getting delays also. Even the shipping seems to take more time than it should. It’s ironic that after over a year they can’t build fast enough to meet demand. Pre-sold should be money in the bank with high priority.
Has anyone heard or read anything about how long the 580 will be in the GLE lineup? I’m thinking about just pulling the trigger on something much cheaper and coming back when MB gets there head out of the sand. Personally I don’t see the 580 being around for a long period.
Has anyone heard or read anything about how long the 580 will be in the GLE lineup? I’m thinking about just pulling the trigger on something much cheaper and coming back when MB gets there head out of the sand. Personally I don’t see the 580 being around for a long period.
I was wondering the same, the 580 seems to be the unicorn. Hopefully I hear something soon about my order, wife will be pissed a bit.
Has anyone heard or read anything about how long the 580 will be in the GLE lineup? I’m thinking about just pulling the trigger on something much cheaper and coming back when MB gets there head out of the sand. Personally I don’t see the 580 being around for a long period.
Totally agree. I’m just beyond pissed at MB, my dealership, and my SA right now. I just wished there was another dealer near me that I could use.
A funny thing is that I used to hate the service department and loved the sales part. Now it is a pain the the rear to deal with the sales department but the service is great. If I stick this one out, I’m going to really consider buying elsewhere next and just servicing the car at the local shop.
I spoke with my SA a few minutes ago and my 580 build was pushed 2 days from 11-30 to 12-2, hopefully that holds out. I actually went 400 miles away to order due to my local sales people being difficult. He has been great to deal with so far.
Totally agree. I’m just beyond pissed at MB, my dealership, and my SA right now. I just wished there was another dealer near me that I could use.
A funny thing is that I used to hate the service department and loved the sales part. Now it is a pain the the rear to deal with the sales department but the service is great. If I stick this one out, I’m going to really consider buying elsewhere next and just servicing the car at the local shop.
I wonder if you could gain a few weeks by picking your 580 up in Tuscaloosa? Might PM Fabbrisd1... It might add a few $’s but could cut a couple of weeks off of delivery. Your Dealer would have to make arrangements if it’s a possibility.
After mine was pushed back a month it did build about 8 days early.
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