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Hi,
is there a button to keep the brake hold on? it works half the time and the other half it doesnt (I depress on the foot brake pedal), I wish it would stay on for the duration of the ride as opposed to me continuing to press and hold the brake pedal. My Tesla is better at this. My Lexus, Acura, BMW and Honda all did a better job at this (had a button).
I have no problems with the brake hold. It works when you press the pedal down a certain amount and then release. It stays on until you press the accelerator again. Does yours not do this?
Mercedes has a better method of activation than pressing a button. You have a simple choice to press harder on the brake pedal to activate it. In stop and go light traffic, where you only pause briefly or are moving a car length in a turn lane it’s not desirable, IMO. For longer stops it’s a plus. It shows when active in the DIC so if yours doesn’t show…push a little firmer on the pedal. No system will please everyone, but this is more sophisticated than the ones you describe that activate by hand…you have your foot on the brake as you come to a stop and can make a conscious decision to use it as desired.
Mercedes has a better method of activation than pressing a button. You have a simple choice to press harder on the brake pedal to activate it. In stop and go light traffic, where you only pause briefly or are moving a car length in a turn lane it’s not desirable, IMO. For longer stops it’s a plus. It shows when active in the DIC so if yours doesn’t show…push a little firmer on the pedal. No system will please everyone, but this is more sophisticated than the ones you describe that activate by hand…you have your foot on the brake as you come to a stop and can make a conscious decision to use it as desired.
On my x5 there is a button called auto hold and the hold works when you come to a stop, it stays activated until you press the button again, even after you have shut down the car. Under normal circumstances in my opinion it is better than the brake hold function on the GLE. Where it isn't as good is when you are for example and you want the car to creep backwards as you have to press the accelerator. Also the x5 with mild hybrid system doesn't have a button to disable stop/start, once warm the engine cuts off whenever you come to a stop.
HOLD is activated via both pedal travel and either pedal acceleration or brake fluid pressure rise time. Slowly and completely pressing the pedal to full travel fails to engage HOLD.
The pedal needs to be both stabbed to achieve pressure rise time and to be sufficiently depressed in terms of travel. It’s a “both-and” thing.
HOLD is activated via both pedal travel and either pedal acceleration or brake fluid pressure rise time. Slowly and completely pressing the pedal to full travel fails to engage HOLD.
The pedal needs to be both stabbed to achieve pressure rise time and to be sufficiently depressed in terms of travel. It’s a “both-and” thing.
My point is that that is ridiculous as opposed to having a button. But regardless, even when you are putting ridiculous amounts of pressure, it still doesn't work.
You just have to learn how to engage it. It takes a bit of muscle memory. I had difficulty at first, now it's second nature. As others have stated the MB implementation is way better, because I can control with my foot whether I wanna engage it or not. No need to mess with a button or have it automatically engage when I don't want it, like when I intend to creep forward or just come to a brief stop. BTW it works the same in Porsches.
You just have to learn how to engage it. It takes a bit of muscle memory. I had difficulty at first, now it's second nature. As others have stated the MB implementation is way better, because I can control with my foot whether I wanna engage it or not. No need to mess with a button or have it automatically engage when I don't want it, like when I intend to creep forward or just come to a brief stop. BTW it works the same in Porsches.
There’s always someone that wants it their way…but some of the same people will complain about the button to turn off start stop. As you said…I don’t want it active all the time and if I had to turn it on with a button it would remain off most of the time. Either way works so complainants about which method is best isn’t productive…it isn’t going to change. It seems like a pretty insignificant difference anyway.
I like the way Mercedes designed it, but I’m used to adapting to different cars with different systems. If it’s so great to have it on all the time maybe one should complain to the Manufacturer about the inconvenience of having to even turn it on. Mine is there when I need it and since my foot is already on the brake pedal it’s also very convenient. To each his own…
There’s always someone that wants it their way…but some of the same people will complain about the button to turn off start stop. As you said…I don’t want it active all the time and if I had to turn it on with a button it would remain off most of the time. Either way works so complainants about which method is best isn’t productive…it isn’t going to change. It seems like a pretty insignificant difference anyway.
I like the way Mercedes designed it, but I’m used to adapting to different cars with different systems. If it’s so great to have it on all the time maybe one should complain to the Manufacturer about the inconvenience of having to even turn it on. Mine is there when I need it and since my foot is already on the brake pedal it’s also very convenient. To each his own…
I wonder if I am not putting pressure at the right spot or something? I swear I am putting more pressure than when I even leg press at gym.
can you tell how to do that? This car is even harder to use than my Tesla? what would e-brake solve?
Originally Posted by as90
I wonder if I am not putting pressure at the right spot or something? I swear I am putting more pressure than when I even leg press at gym.
It's not actually about the pressure. It's about the sequence. You have to come to a full stop. Then once the car is fully stopped for a moment. Give it a quick stab and HOLD will engage. Basically you just need to push the brake pedal in further once you are already stopped, but not too slowly, and don't try to punch a hole in the floor. It takes very little pressure actually. With time you will get the feel for it. It's usually about the timing. If you do it too early, then it won't engage, and if you do it too slowly it won't engage, either. The procedure is explained in the owners manual.
Last edited by superswiss; Dec 14, 2021 at 02:45 AM.
It's not actually about the pressure. It's about the sequence. You have to come to a full stop. Then once the car is fully stopped for a moment. Give it a quick stab and HOLD will engage. Basically you just need to push the brake pedal in further once you are already stopped, but not too slowly, and don't try to punch a hole in the floor. It takes very little pressure actually. With time you will get the feel for it. It's usually about the timing. If you do it too early, then it won't engage, and if you do it too slowly it won't engage, either. The procedure is explained in the owners manual.
The operative word in the instructions is “quickly”.
HOLD is engaged with acceleration of the brake pedal and associated brake fluid pressure rise (spike). Pedal displacement and terminal force alone fails to engage HOLD.
It doesn’t matter how much you are leg pressing the pedal if the pressure rise condition has not been met.
It's one of those things that's hard to describe. Sort of like learning the clutch on a manual transmission. But once you do it correctly a few times, it'll be second nature.
The operative word in the instructions is “quickly”.
HOLD is engaged with acceleration of the brake pedal and associated brake fluid pressure rise (spike). Pedal displacement and terminal force alone fails to engage HOLD.
It doesn’t matter how much you are leg pressing the pedal if the pressure rise condition has not been met.
thank you, yes I think i will try this. Gosh, I wish they would have done what the other automakes did.
thank you, yes I think i will try this. Gosh, I wish they would have done what the other automakes did.
Learning new things keeps the brain young . It's really not that hard. Because I pretty much use it all the time when I have to wait at a traffic light, I now engage it w/o even thinking about it. The quick stab is a very natural way to engage it on demand.
I've been paying more attention to how I engage the hold function, since this thread started.
I'm in a loaner GLB right now, and the feel is little different from our GLC and the AMG. Just like the entire breaking feel is different.
I've been thinking of a way to describe how I engage Hold, that might apply to all three.
I just come to a stop, lift my big toe, and then quickly push down on the brake a little harder. HTH.
I’ve have had both. In my BMW, I will pulling in the garage and almost drove through into the house as the auto hold would engage and it was very difficult to regulate the gas pedal at the slowest speed. While it was more convenient at times, it was a hazard at others. I really appreciate the MB system because I can use it PRN (as needed) especially in highway traffic.
I've been paying more attention to how I engage the hold function, since this thread started.
I'm in a loaner GLB right now, and it's a little different from our GLC and the AMG.
I've been thinking of a way to describe how I engage Hold, that might apply to all three.
I just come to a stop, lift my big toe, and then quickly push down on the brake a little harder. HTH.
In principal it works the same on all models. I've had CLA 250s, GLCs, C300s as loaners and they all work the same. The slight differences are mainly due to the differences in the braking systems in general. Compared to my AMG, all those regular Benzes have numb brakes, and so the sensitivity is somewhat different.
In principal it works the same on all models. I've had CLA 250s, GLCs, C300s as loaners and they all work the same. The slight differences are mainly due to the differences in the braking systems in general. Compared to my AMG, all those regular Benzes have numb brakes, and so the sensitivity is somewhat different.
Our 2022 GLE 450's system is FANTASTIC in that I already rode a BMW bike for work that has a similar (always on) system. We live in the Texas "Hill Country", first time I drove the GLE I subconsciously at the first red light "pumped" the bake as I would squeeze the hand brake on the bike. Was sitting there at the light for a good minute before it clicked the car worked just like the bike. So turned a round and did it a few more times to confirm. Was VERY intuitive for me. Wife drives the GLE. I usually drive my 2020 Raptor. Sure wish FORD was on this brake hold band wagon.
I think the OP is over thinking it. Just stop, but as soon as the car settles, give the pedal a little "stab" further and release. Works every time for me.
Last edited by Zeusmotorworks; Dec 15, 2021 at 09:40 PM.
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. It's really not that hard. Because I pretty much use it all the time when I have to wait at a traffic light, I now engage it w/o even thinking about it. The quick stab is a very natural way to engage it on demand.
