Majority of Mercedes Models to be Electric by 2024?
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Majority of Mercedes Models to be Electric by 2024?
Was at the dealers couple of days ago. GM told me Mercedes said by 2024, the majority of the models will only be offering electric. He said that the 2024 model year will be the last year for the gas engine on the GLE model. Said a good majority of the Mercedes model line up will only be offered in electric.
I personally don’t like where this is going and being told what you are going to buy and when.
He said Audi and BMW are the same.
I live in Canada where it can get to -40 degs in the winter for battery performance. These are not tested tried and true. The GM agreed about big decreases in battery capacities for winter use.
The GM was not happy about what he was told for his dealership. He said over 80% of his customers said it was too early to buy. He said 10% would buy because they are tech people and the other 10% will buy just to say they have the latest and greatest.
Many customers are putting their name in for the last gas engine production in 2024 already. I’m one of them.
We are not thrilled at all.
Toban
I personally don’t like where this is going and being told what you are going to buy and when.
He said Audi and BMW are the same.
I live in Canada where it can get to -40 degs in the winter for battery performance. These are not tested tried and true. The GM agreed about big decreases in battery capacities for winter use.
The GM was not happy about what he was told for his dealership. He said over 80% of his customers said it was too early to buy. He said 10% would buy because they are tech people and the other 10% will buy just to say they have the latest and greatest.
Many customers are putting their name in for the last gas engine production in 2024 already. I’m one of them.
We are not thrilled at all.
Toban
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MB has announced that from 2025 on, all new architecture developments will be electric-only and then only offer all-electric models by the end of the decade "where market conditions allow". Existing ICE will continue to be sold through their normal lifecycle. I guess the GLE is at the end of its lifecycle, so the next one will likely be electric-only.
https://driving.ca/auto-news/news/me...y-2025-sort-of
https://driving.ca/auto-news/news/me...y-2025-sort-of
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No, he was very specific saying ”electric” for the GLE series starting 2025. All models right now who have the 48 volt systems are already electrified.
He referred to all electric. I gotta see a car going 1000 miles between charges and sitting for 6 hours getting charged up if you can get right into a charge terminal. Sounds like you have to stay overnight!
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No, he was very specific saying ”electric” for the GLE series starting 2025. All models right now who have the 48 volt systems are already electrified.
He referred to all electric. I gotta see a car going 1000 miles between charges and sitting for 6 hours getting charged up if you can get right into a charge terminal. Sounds like you have to stay overnight!
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No, he was very specific saying ”electric” for the GLE series starting 2025. All models right now who have the 48 volt systems are already electrified.
He referred to all electric. I gotta see a car going 1000 miles between charges and sitting for 6 hours getting charged up if you can get right into a charge terminal. Sounds like you have to stay overnight!
Toban
No, he was very specific saying ”electric” for the GLE series starting 2025. All models right now who have the 48 volt systems are already electrified.
He referred to all electric. I gotta see a car going 1000 miles between charges and sitting for 6 hours getting charged up if you can get right into a charge terminal. Sounds like you have to stay overnight!
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There should be 3-4 years left on the GLE if it runs a normal cycle. Mercedes is just beginning to put out some E Performance AMG models that aren’t even a real hybrid. It seems better to overpromise BEV’s in this Political environment. They don’t want more mandates for cars that might not sell.
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Hope you are all right and what you say makes sense.
This EV platform is moving too fast. California are asking people to shut down their home A/C’s because there is too much stress on the grid?
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This EV platform is moving too fast. California are asking people to shut down their home A/C’s because there is too much stress on the grid?
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Just saw this news feed...might be more to this story...but ability to disable the vehicle???
"A Canadian man went viral after claiming the battery in his $140,000 Tesla died and that a replacement would be $26,000. Tesla locked him out of using his car."
"A Canadian man went viral after claiming the battery in his $140,000 Tesla died and that a replacement would be $26,000. Tesla locked him out of using his car."
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Just saw this news feed...might be more to this story...but ability to disable the vehicle???
"A Canadian man went viral after claiming the battery in his $140,000 Tesla died and that a replacement would be $26,000. Tesla locked him out of using his car."
"A Canadian man went viral after claiming the battery in his $140,000 Tesla died and that a replacement would be $26,000. Tesla locked him out of using his car."
https://www.gearrice.com/update/tesl...too-much-motor
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When is the mid cycle refresh due? What is the length of time for a typical MB model cycle? Seven years? That means this model is good to 2027? Maybe this is the last gas GLE, but I doubt they’ll stop selling these in a few years unless demand plummets.
Someone can go through every model and see where it stands in its lifecycle to see when it might get permanently retired. Cars approaching their lifecycle in the next few years may get an ICE and a reprieve, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the V167 is indeed the last gasoline GLE we see.
Someone can go through every model and see where it stands in its lifecycle to see when it might get permanently retired. Cars approaching their lifecycle in the next few years may get an ICE and a reprieve, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the V167 is indeed the last gasoline GLE we see.
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I can see a time in the future where government requests to stop charging or driving your BEV will continue to be voluntary…like in China…for the greater good!
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I think a lot of that is overblown hype. I don’t think many people actually charge their cars during the day, when conservation was most needed, so it wouldn’t have made a difference anyways.
Besides, everyone is focusing on California, I don’t think other states will have issues with their grid assuming they don’t go overboard with renewables like California.
Besides, everyone is focusing on California, I don’t think other states will have issues with their grid assuming they don’t go overboard with renewables like California.
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I think a lot of that is overblown hype. I don’t think many people actually charge their cars during the day, when conservation was most needed, so it wouldn’t have made a difference anyways.
Besides, everyone is focusing on California, I don’t think other states will have issues with their grid assuming they don’t go overboard with renewables like California.
Besides, everyone is focusing on California, I don’t think other states will have issues with their grid assuming they don’t go overboard with renewables like California.
The supply everywhere is going to be constrained as the population grows, Green energy can’t ramp up for peak needs and supply from Fossil fuels and Nuclear are going away. The current plan seems to be…”mandate it & a miracle will occur”. I guess it works just like “build it and they will come”.
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Power usage probably varies by season and location but a spike occurs in the late afternoon, early evening. People will plug in EV’s after returning from work-about the time California was asking for conservation. CA specifically asked people to refrain from charging EV’s in the 4-9 time period. In northern states it will be electric furnaces and night time demands. Modern home chargers can still help by setting a timer for off peak. As you approach 100% EV’s the power spikes will remain but at different times. Over the road heavy trucks will consume huge amounts of energy as will people on out of town trips. Fossil Fuel/Nuclear generation can ramp up or down within limits. It’s going to take more battery storage and huge increases in Green energy that are not feasible, IMO.
The supply everywhere is going to be constrained as the population grows, Green energy can’t ramp up for peak needs and supply from Fossil fuels and Nuclear are going away. The current plan seems to be…”mandate it & a miracle will occur”. I guess it works just like “build it and they will come”.
The supply everywhere is going to be constrained as the population grows, Green energy can’t ramp up for peak needs and supply from Fossil fuels and Nuclear are going away. The current plan seems to be…”mandate it & a miracle will occur”. I guess it works just like “build it and they will come”.
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People plug in but the vehicles won’t start charging until whatever time the user sets it, which typically coincides with off-peak rate incentives. What California asked for was a red herring, of course they’re going to say that, but EV’s weren’t crippling the grid. It was AC load due to the unprecedented heat that was driving up demand. A lot of California’s population sits in areas that don’t typically require AC, this heatwave changed that and that’s what drove the issue.
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I don't find it very consoling that the ever-growing fleet of EV's will suffer if it ever gets hot again. I'd have to believe that all these expenditures will actually slow climate change, but I don't.
But we need them to be plugged in, so we can use EV's as Battery Backup for Base Load.
That will be the penalty for receiving subsidies for off peak charging.
You'll have to get Doctor's Permission to charge if you need it, similar to a Handicap Parking Permit.
This isn't a conspiracy theory, as some have argued. These are the arguments made by the Regulators to justify EV's, their purchase incentives, and their preferred rates for charging. There are more shoes to drop.
But we need them to be plugged in, so we can use EV's as Battery Backup for Base Load.
That will be the penalty for receiving subsidies for off peak charging.
You'll have to get Doctor's Permission to charge if you need it, similar to a Handicap Parking Permit.
This isn't a conspiracy theory, as some have argued. These are the arguments made by the Regulators to justify EV's, their purchase incentives, and their preferred rates for charging. There are more shoes to drop.
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Was at the dealers couple of days ago. GM told me Mercedes said by 2024, the majority of the models will only be offering electric. He said that the 2024 model year will be the last year for the gas engine on the GLE model. Said a good majority of the Mercedes model line up will only be offered in electric.
I personally don’t like where this is going and being told what you are going to buy and when.
He said Audi and BMW are the same.
I live in Canada where it can get to -40 degs in the winter for battery performance. These are not tested tried and true. The GM agreed about big decreases in battery capacities for winter use.
The GM was not happy about what he was told for his dealership. He said over 80% of his customers said it was too early to buy. He said 10% would buy because they are tech people and the other 10% will buy just to say they have the latest and greatest.
Many customers are putting their name in for the last gas engine production in 2024 already. I’m one of them.
We are not thrilled at all.
Toban
I personally don’t like where this is going and being told what you are going to buy and when.
He said Audi and BMW are the same.
I live in Canada where it can get to -40 degs in the winter for battery performance. These are not tested tried and true. The GM agreed about big decreases in battery capacities for winter use.
The GM was not happy about what he was told for his dealership. He said over 80% of his customers said it was too early to buy. He said 10% would buy because they are tech people and the other 10% will buy just to say they have the latest and greatest.
Many customers are putting their name in for the last gas engine production in 2024 already. I’m one of them.
We are not thrilled at all.
Toban
Cold weather combined with sustained long distance driving is one of the worst use cases for EVs. There will always be vehicle models available that address all use cases. You may not be able to buy what you used to buy, but you will have transportation options that meet your use case.
Consumers will either be forced into brands or models they don’t want, but that meet their use cases, or they will stick with their preferred brands/models and change their use cases (driving habits).
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Change is a coming. I don’t think there’s anything that will stop it. I’m a V8 Motörhead, but I’m also open minded. The only reason I’m leaning towards EVs is because of the ridiculous maintenance costs of cars these days. It’s gotten so bad that’s it’s become an outright racket. I get it that a new battery pack might cost $20k, but so does a new motor. Forget the fact all of the other crap that breaks down in ICE cars that runs in the thousands and thousands of dollars to fix or repair that is non existent in an EV.
All I can I say is good luck and spend well. I’ll gladly wait a few hours to charge without worrying about an EGR, Catalytic Converter, oil seals, thermostats and gaskets. Suckers
All I can I say is good luck and spend well. I’ll gladly wait a few hours to charge without worrying about an EGR, Catalytic Converter, oil seals, thermostats and gaskets. Suckers
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Dealerships make most of their money from servicing not selling cars. All I can is franchised dealerships really are doomed. I have no pity when they charge me $300 for an oil change. Good riddance.
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And that you would be attracted to something with the promise of never needing service.
Let's just hope you don't have a refrigerator! 🙂
