Turbo lag on 350 vs 450

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Nov 25, 2024 | 02:47 PM

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Didn't realize the newer one had different buttons. My 2020 has a couple capacitive touch buttons, so there are more now?

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Way more, it looks like this now:
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Nov 25, 2024 | 02:50 PM

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As for those Blackberry style touchpad things, those were there since the W213 E-Class sedan first came out:https://cars.usnews.com/static/image...eringwheel.jpg

Nov 25, 2024 | 03:59 PM

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The capacitive sensors around the circumference is a good thing for measuring hands on wheel.

Does anyone with experience know if the "buttons" can tell the difference between resting your finger on them and actually wanting to activate them? I regularly rest my finger on the cruise resume/cancel button activating it only to slow down in advance of traffic. I find distronic+ to be too aggressive most of the time.

Nov 25, 2024 | 04:20 PM

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Might depend on the steering wheel. I have a version of the one depicted above with the two touchpads and the other buttons being physical buttons and I don't have the capacitive sensors in the rim of the wheel. I can touch the touchpads whenever the Active Steering Assist complains about my hands not being on the wheel to acknowledge that I'm still paying attention. So that pretty much allows me to drive hands free on the highway and I just periodically tap one of the touchpads whenever the visual warning comes up.

Nov 25, 2024 | 05:59 PM

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So thanks to @wildta , I think I found my new to me 450! Has about 8k miles on it (my 350 has 8,400, so comparable). Basically fully loaded for $72,900 and it's CPO.
Code Description PriceMODEL: 2024 GLE450W4 $69,500

956 MANUFAKTUR Alpine Grey $1,750

951 Black Exclusive Nappa leather $2,990

Standard Accessories

01U Pre-installation for Navigation Services

04U Transparent bonnet

12B Owners Manual

14U Smartphone Integration

16U Apple CarPlay™

17U Android Auto

232 Garage Door Opener

235 PARKTRONIC with Active Parking Assist

249 Auto-dimming Driver and Rearview Mirrors

270 GPS Antenna

294 Driver Knee Airbag

34U Remote Services Premium

351 eCall-Emergency System

355 Extended MBUX functions"

362 HERMES Communications module LTE

365 MB Navigation

37U Remote Services Advanced

421 9G-TRONIC 9-Speed Automatic Transmission

461 English Inscriptions

475 Tire Pressure Monitoring System

517 HD Radio

536 SiriusXM Radio with Free Trial Period

543 Double Sun Visors

551 Anti-Theft Alarm System

587 Side Mirror Logo Projector

608 Adaptive High Beam Assist

634 Omission of first-aid kit

690 Mini Spare Wheel

723 Cargo Cover

72B Additional USB Ports

840 Privacy Glass

852 Advanced Alarm with Parking Collision Detection

868 12.3" Center Display

871 HANDS FREE ACCESS

876 Premium Interior Lighting

889 KEYLESS-GO®

890 Power Liftgate

897 Inductive wireless charging and NFC pairing

901 Interior Chrome Package

915 Large Capacity Fuel Tank

986 Identification label with VIN number

989 VIN Code

B01 48 Volt System

B12 Tool Kit

P17 KEYLESS-GO Package

P47 Surround View System

P49 Mirror Package

P64 Memory Package

05.27.2023 21.44.13

P82 Guard 360

R02 All Season Tires

U01 Rear belt status indication in the instrument display

U10 Passenger Seat Weight Sensing System

U12 Floormats

U82 USB Ports in Rear

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DA2 Driver Assistance Package $1,950

233 Active Distance Assist DISTRONIC®

23U Active Stop-and-Go Assist

266 Active Distance Assist DISTRONIC® with Active Steering Assist

513 Traffic Sign Assist

546 Active Speed Limit Assist

K33 Extended Restart in Stop-and-Go Traffic

K34 Route-Based Speed Action

P20 Driver Assistance Package

DB0 Warmth and Comfort Package $575

902 Rapid Heating Front Seats

906 Front Heated Arm Rests

P68 Warmth & Comfort Package

DC1 Night Package $400

P55 Night Package

DC5 Acoustic Comfort Package $1,100

596 Heat, Noise insulating, & Infrared Reflecting glass

PAF Acoustic Comfort Package

DG1 AMG Line Exterior Package $3,150

772 AMG Body Styling

P31 AMG Line Exterior

U28 Sport Brake system with "Mercedes-Benz" lettering

DX2 Pinnacle Trim $5,600

311 Temperature Controlled Cupholders

399 Multicontour Front Seats w/ Massage Function

401 Heated & Ventilated Front Seats

463 Head-Up Display

640 Active Curve Illuminating Full LED

77B Interior Assistant

810 Burmester® Surround Sound System

C53 Surround lighting with animated projection of the Mercedes-Benz

patter

P21 AIR BALANCE

PDD Premium Plus Package

U19 Augmented Video for Navigaton

053 Modification year 22/2

22U Pre-installation for MBUX Entertainment

242 Passenger Seat Memory w/ adj. Thigh Support

264 License Plate Holder

273 Vehicle Exit Warning

275 Power Driver Seats with Memory

292 Pre-Safe Impulse Side

293 Rear Side Airbags $700

32U Sound personalisation

367 Live Traffic

413 Panorama Sunroof $1,000

436 Comfort Front Headrests

443 Heated Steering Wheel

491 Lowered suspension with steel springs

494 USA specification

4B8 USB adapter cable

500 Power Folding Mirrors

501 Surround View Camera

51U Black Fabric Headliner

534 MBUX multimedia system

550 Trailer Hitch $600

557 Increased Towing Capacity with Trailer Hitch

581 4-Zone Climate Control $860

05.27.2023 21.44.13

636 Omission of Warning Triangle

666 Transportation Protection Foil

763 Remote Key with Panic Button

803 Technical modifications

824 Engine air intake screen

872 Heated Rear Seats $500

875 Heated Washer System

883 Soft-Close Doors $550

88B Passive person presence reminder

94B Integrated Starter Generator Generation 2

H31 Natural Grain Grey Oak Wood Trim $160

K32 Active Lane Change Assist

L2D Wood/leather multifunction steering wheel $600

PAV Winter Package $450

PBG Preinstallation for Navigation and Comfort Connectivity package

RWA 21" AMG Multispoke Wheels $1,100

U09 MB-Tex Upper Dash and Door Trim $350

SUBTOTAL $93,885

ZUFR Delivery & Destination charge $1,150

- TOTAL - $95,035

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Nov 26, 2024 | 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon

Didn't realize the newer one had different buttons. My 2020 has a couple capacitive touch buttons, so there are more now?

Yeah, it looked like this one.

Nov 26, 2024 | 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by graffixnyc

Just get a new one at that price. They're around if you look hard enough

Nov 26, 2024 | 10:41 AM

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Didn't realize the newer one had different buttons. My 2020 has a couple capacitive touch buttons, so there are more now?

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Nov 26, 2024 | 12:14 PM

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Just get a new one at that price. They're around if you look hard enough

All the new ones equipped the same are All over 90 grand and one equipped as much as this one is, are more than 90 grand. I searched new inventory all around me up to 1500 miles away, I could not find one that had everything I wanted. If you find me a fully loaded new one for $73k, let me know. Haha

Nov 26, 2024 | 12:26 PM

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Just get a new one at that price. They're around if you look hard enough

23% off of msrp ($73k/$95k) for a new 450? I think the most I've read is maybe ~10% off msrp.

Nov 27, 2024 | 11:04 PM

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Picked up my new to me MY24 450 today! It actually had 600+ miles less than my MY24 350. Let me just say....wow.. It's a HUGE difference. When I pass someone on the highway, it no longer sounds like I'm trying to race them. I will post pics tomorrow!

Nov 28, 2024 | 08:19 PM

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There really is no replacement for displacement. You can skirt the issue a little with forced induction, but when in practice more is always better unless you're trying to meet regulatory efficiency targets.

Nov 28, 2024 | 09:58 PM

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Does the new GLE 450 have the air suspension? Try driving it in the sport mode. The air suspension tightens things up nicely.

I would suspect few buyers of the GLE 450 wished that they had purchased a 350 instead. I personally never considered the 350 after my first test drive, I was coming from a GLE550e and the weaker, buzzy 4 cylinder did not impress me. I also considered the BMW X5. The BMW straight six is a fantastic motor, but the smaller size, lack of an air suspension option, and the tacked on appearance of the instrument panel vs the integrated look of the GLE led me to choose the GLE 450.

Interestingly, the GLE350 gets a different (cheaper) AWD system than the higher-end models like the GLE450 and above. A simple 50/50 split and a brake-based transfer syste. When people hear the term "4Matic", they tend to think they are all the same, but even within the GLE range, there's a stratification in the AWD system used, depending on if it is a GLE350 or whether it is a GLE450 and above.

To the OP's question, when my E450 All-Terrain Wagon was in for its Service-B, I got a C-class loaner sedan, which I believe has the same drivetrain as the GLE350 (4-cyl turbo with 48V) and that thing was a total dog. Press the gas pedal and essentially nothing happens, vis-a-vis the E450 that I was used to. By the end of the day, I got used to it, but by golly I was glad to be back in the E450, when it was ready to be picked back up, and for the loaner to be returned back.

For the GLE, I personally would never opt for the 4-cylinder, even though for the GLC, it may be a good option. And to add insult to injury, many of the GLE350s that I see on the dealer lot, has the bigger 315mm wide tires in the rear on 21" wheels.....the last thing that dog would need, would be wider tires !

Nov 28, 2024 | 10:03 PM

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That is very interesting and surprised what I learned today

Nov 28, 2024 | 10:11 PM

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Another interesting finding from me, when it comes to my 2 MB vehicles (The 2022 E450 All-Terrain Wagon, which comes standard with the Air suspension, and the 2024 GLE450, where I deliberately skipped the air suspension - I intend to keep both cars for 10+ years).

The entire functioning of the air suspension is done by the 48V system. In other words, raising the 5000lbs car, controlling individual wheels, pumping in the air into the individual air-chambers of the 4 wheels etc. A LOT of heavy duty work.

Now when it is a car WITHOUT the air-suspension, the 48V can skip all of that heavy-duty work, and function towards improving the mileage of the vehicle, by working with the Gas engine. This is EXACTLY what I am finding, where in the GLE450, the mileage is surprisingly good, which I presume is since the 48V system is fully engaged in contributing to the drivetrain itself, rather than in tinkering with an air suspension that tries to constantly lift/lower/manage a 5000lbs beast.

And to be quite honest, I don't miss a beat between the ride in my Air-suspension equipped E450 All-Terrain, and the Selective Damping suspension of the GLE450. Both of them ride equally well, as far as I am concerned.

Nov 28, 2024 | 10:15 PM

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That is very interesting and surprised what I learned today

Here was what Mercedes stated, in their Presskit for the GLE:

With the four-cylinder engine in the new GLE 350, 4MATIC all-wheel drive is realized with a transfer case which transmits the drive torque to the axles in a fixed ratio of 50:50 percent. Spinning wheels are addressed by braking intervention at the relevant wheel.

A transfer case with an electronically controlled multi-disc clutch is used for the other engines, including the GLE 450. This allows a variable transfer of drive torque from 0-100% (torque on demand) between the axles.

Nov 28, 2024 | 10:17 PM

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Tires also make a difference but are you talking about e-ABC?

Nov 28, 2024 | 10:27 PM

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Tires also make a difference but are you talking about e-ABC?

No the 48V system is what powers the functioning of the regular Airmatic suspension, even without the e-ABC. The e-ABC would simply add even more load for the 48V system.

So in a car that does not have the airmatic suspension, but has the 48V system, the 48V system can work exclusively on providing supplemental power to the regular gas engine of the car, than managing the lifting/lowering/pumping-air into the air suspension of a 5000lbs beast, which in my experience, has a direct impact on the mileage of the vehicle.

Nov 28, 2024 | 10:36 PM

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Wow, this car is loaded ! And I mean LOADED

And for that price ($72K asking), it is a steal for what you are getting.

Nov 28, 2024 | 10:47 PM

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I see.

Nov 29, 2024 | 12:56 AM

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Just curious, what kind of MPGs are you seeing city /Hwy and total avg for both of your vehicles?

Nov 29, 2024 | 09:59 AM

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23% off of msrp ($73k/$95k) for a new 450? I think the most I've read is maybe ~10% off msrp.

No one should be spending 95k on a 450 to begin with...

Nov 29, 2024 | 02:13 PM

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No one should be spending 95k on a 450 to begin with...

My 2020 stickered at $88k, and with its equipment and performance, it was a value compared to competition. Porsche, Audi, Range Rover etc.
I paid $82 for a CPO with 8,000 miles. It was a press car.
It had been wrung out, and it was super fast. Traction control kicked in until it shifted into 2nd gear, and it got 32-33 mpg highway, 24 city. Makes me question "gentle break-ins."
Unfortunately it was one of the 2020 lemons and I sent it back.

Nov 29, 2024 | 02:54 PM

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My 24 350 was 80k... If I'm touching 90's i'm going Cayenne no questions asked.

I think gentle break ins could go either way tbh

Nov 29, 2024 | 05:43 PM

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My 24 350 was 80k... If I'm touching 90's i'm going Cayenne no questions asked.

The jump to a 450 from a 350 is ~$10k so your $80k 350 would have been a $90k 450.

If you're jumping over to Cayenne, it would be very basic, and another $10k premium above a GLE 450.

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