Is a GLE43 AMG a true AMG?
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Is a GLE43 AMG a true AMG?
I've been attempting to do some research on AMG Models and noticed that MBWorld does not list the GLE43 AMG in their selection of AMG Models for SUV.
Is that because it's not considered a true AMG?
Is that because it's not considered a true AMG?
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Honestly it doesn't matter if it is true or not, if the power is sufficient enough for you and for your needs and you don't need a V8 it is not a bad vehicle plus the M276 is also reliable. That being said, there is a C292 forum for the 43 model. https://mbworld.org/forums/gle43-cou...amg-gle43.html
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That being said, all or many of the brand new 43 models though with the newer 4 cylinder engines are actually a true AMG engine.
Someone can correct me if I’m wrong there. Either way as the OP said, at the end of the day it really doesn’t matter, just enjoy your car for what it is and what you bought it for.
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Which AMG® engines are not hand-built?
Mercedes-AMG® engines that are not hand-built include the “35” M260 2.0-liter Inline-4 Turbo and “43” M276 3.0-liter V6 Bi-Turbo. In addition, the new M256 engine inside various other “43” and “53” models are not hand-built."Found on MB website
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If Mercedes calls it an AMG, then it’s an AMG. They are who ultimately defines it, no matter what purists may think otherwise.
However, that doesn’t take away from the fact that AMG has been watered down, just like M.
However, that doesn’t take away from the fact that AMG has been watered down, just like M.
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Which ones are "watered down"? Are you referring to 43 and your 53 models? Is it watered down because it's not a V8? IMO AMG has expanded, to more models, more engines, more affordability and more customers.
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I’m not saying it’s “watered down” because it lacks a V8, I’m saying it’s watered down because there are many more models and variants available. You can take “watered down” literally in this case. It’s been diluted, and I don’t necessarily mean that in a negative way, although by virtue of dilution, it’s certainly not as exclusive as it once was.
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I’m not saying it’s “watered down” because it lacks a V8, I’m saying it’s watered down because there are many more models and variants available. You can take “watered down” literally in this case. It’s been diluted, and I don’t necessarily mean that in a negative way, although by virtue of dilution, it’s certainly not as exclusive as it once was.
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Which AMG® engines are not hand-built?
Mercedes-AMG® engines that are not hand-built include the “35” M260 2.0-liter Inline-4 Turbo and “43” M276 3.0-liter V6 Bi-Turbo. In addition, the new M256 engine inside various other “43” and “53” models are not hand-built."Found on MB website
No more than the entire car, which is also ferried between stations. Every station has nannies that apply goo, grease, torque and parts. Not much thinking or "feel" involved.
But there are a lot of things that make an AMG beyond the engine. I bought those things - better brakes, handling and responsiveness.
I guess I'd like the V8 sound, but there's a lot more to like about an AMG than the engine.
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I wouldn't call AMG engines "hand built."
No more than the entire car, which is also ferried between stations. Every station has nannies that apply goo, grease, torque and parts. Not much thinking or "feel" involved.
But there are a lot of things that make an AMG beyond the engine. I bought those things - better brakes, handling and responsiveness.
I guess I'd like the V8 sound, but there's a lot more to like about an AMG than the engine.
No more than the entire car, which is also ferried between stations. Every station has nannies that apply goo, grease, torque and parts. Not much thinking or "feel" involved.
But there are a lot of things that make an AMG beyond the engine. I bought those things - better brakes, handling and responsiveness.
I guess I'd like the V8 sound, but there's a lot more to like about an AMG than the engine.
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True, One Man pushes the cart, but robots do everything from squirting oil to applying torque.
They have so little interaction with the process that even a Hans couldn't mess it up
The AMG designs and special parts are what makes the cars special.
And, IMO, the 167 is where they finally got the suspension right.
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The Assemblers barely touch the engine. They just push a cart from one station to another.
True, One Man pushes the cart, but robots do everything from squirting oil to applying torque.
They have so little interaction with the process that even a Hans couldn't mess it up
The AMG designs and special parts are what makes the cars special.
And, IMO, the 167 is where they finally got the suspension right.
True, One Man pushes the cart, but robots do everything from squirting oil to applying torque.
They have so little interaction with the process that even a Hans couldn't mess it up
The AMG designs and special parts are what makes the cars special.
And, IMO, the 167 is where they finally got the suspension right.
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SPOILER ALERT- He changes his mind halfway through his post!!
I've seen videos of one man building an AMG engine and don't remeber the process as automated as you describe. There's even a video of Jay Leno building an AMG engine at Affalterbach and he is not doing what you describe.
2012 Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG Roadster - Jay Leno's Garage - YouTube
2012 Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG Roadster - Jay Leno's Garage - YouTube
When I think of building an engine, I envision a human touch. The "feel" of things being correct, in addition to accurate torque settings. Was there interference when inserting a piston or bolt?
Somehow "One man pushing One Engine from Station to Station," isn't quite the same as One Man One Engine.
BUT I just found a recently posted video that shows more involvement in the process. That's reassuring, and it shows the care, inspection and "feel" that I expect from a hand-built engine.
Edit: added SPOILER ALERT to title.
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Thanks, that's a brand new video and it's the first time I saw it. I learned from it.
Edit: I added SPOILER ALERT to my post.
Didn't change anything else. Hope folks read the whole post.
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GLE43coupe is a tank IMO. It moves quickly for its size, esp 0-60 when you are in the city. Highway driving and take over speeds is not too shabby, but it ain't no V8 TT lol.
The 2016-2019 GLE63coupe is more comfortable and sporty than the counterpart 43. The 2021+ GLE63 Coupe does have the best over all pick up and comfort.
PS. If MB puts the AMG badge on it from factory, then it is an AMG. I always hear people debating and arguing. Makes me LOL
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The 2016-2019 GLE63coupe is more comfortable and sporty than the counterpart 43. The 2021+ GLE63 Coupe does have the best over all pick up and comfort.
PS. If MB puts the AMG badge on it from factory, then it is an AMG. I always hear people debating and arguing. Makes me LOL
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At least on my 53, there are many AMG touches, like alloy suspension parts instead of stamped, and a lot of other things.
The turning circle on my 53 is significantly larger than my 450, so I started comparing. It's more than one man one engine, although that's an attractive claim.
Different assembly line too, as I understand it.
It looks like the AMG division will be developing state-of-the-art batteries and motors for their EVs, to trickle down.
Another leapfrog past Tesla in both (axial flux motors, different battery cooling strategy etc.} as well as autonomous driving, but this time protected against Tesla piracy.
So, while not One Man, I expect AMG to be on the cutting edge. 476 hp from a 2 liter four? Holy Crap!!!
The turning circle on my 53 is significantly larger than my 450, so I started comparing. It's more than one man one engine, although that's an attractive claim.
Different assembly line too, as I understand it.
It looks like the AMG division will be developing state-of-the-art batteries and motors for their EVs, to trickle down.
Another leapfrog past Tesla in both (axial flux motors, different battery cooling strategy etc.} as well as autonomous driving, but this time protected against Tesla piracy.
So, while not One Man, I expect AMG to be on the cutting edge. 476 hp from a 2 liter four? Holy Crap!!!
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