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Old Jun 8, 2024 | 11:15 PM
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Brake Upgrade / Retrofit

Hello everyone im new here in the forum.

Recently upgraded my brakes to the red amg 6 pistons on my 23 gle 53 coupe (facelift).

However i dont feel right whenever i stepped on the brake pedal. Feels mushy and soft (like i have to step quite further to the floor).

ive bled the brake numerous times, probable 6-7timed already.

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1. Do we need to do coding? I know BMW does.
2. Since its facelift version the workshop that i visited saying its on new software system.

Please does anyone has infomation on these?
All the help is greatly appreciated and many thanks in advance.

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Old Jun 9, 2024 | 10:59 PM
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Mushy brake pedal usually means 2 things.
Air in the system or a leak. Clearly if there is no fluid on the ground it’s not the second.

Coding will not help with anything in this case.


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Old Jun 10, 2024 | 04:28 AM
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Thanks for the information.
Yes that's what I thought but done the bleeding too many times.
Therefore I don't think that's the issue.

Hmmm really lost at the moment.
Anyhow really thank you.
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Old Jun 10, 2024 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by barata84
Thanks for the information.
Yes that's what I thought but done the bleeding too many times.
Therefore I don't think that's the issue.

Hmmm really lost at the moment.
Anyhow really thank you.
Are you using vacuum bleeding?
It's less reliable than pressure bleeding.
Working with an assistant to pump and bleed, can be good or bad, depending on "shared" technique. One slip and you have to start all over again.
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Old Jun 10, 2024 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by mikapen
Are you using vacuum bleeding?
It's less reliable than pressure bleeding.
Working with an assistant to pump and bleed, can be good or bad, depending on "shared" technique. One slip and you have to start all over again.
Pressure bleeding.
First done at the dealership
Second done at reliable workshop
Third done manually with one person stepping on the brake pedal

Just ordered the brake hose.
Will be my last and only HOPE.

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Old Jun 10, 2024 | 07:00 PM
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When you did the caliper swap did you cap the lines to prevent brake fluid from completely draining?
If the fluid completely drained out of the system, you may need to cycle the ABS pump via XENTRY to get it to bleed properly.
Normally, you don’t need to do this on non-SBC cars unless the system has been completely drained….

Also, I typically like to get some heat in the brakes and drive them for a month or so, and then do a final bleed after that.
It can be difficult to get all the air out of the nooks and crannies of those huge calibers, especially if they’ve been completely emptied or brand new.


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Old Jun 11, 2024 | 01:44 AM
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it was done at dealership for the first time.
I assume they would know how it's done hopefully.
they do mentioned now they have to manually bleed the brakes using pressure bleeder.

Yes will try driving the car around first maybe since I haven't driven it for a month since the brake upgrade.
If nothing changes then will try to do a complete rebleeding of the brakes.

Appreciate the helpp



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Hey, did you ever get this fixed?
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Old Nov 3, 2024 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Gsrchris
Hey, did you ever get this fixed?
Its better but I do still feel its mushy.
Not sure if I'm used to BMW brakes, it feels really full even when I step on the brakes slightly.

Anything from your end perhaps?

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Old Dec 24, 2024 | 11:24 PM
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@barata84,
I'm curious, did you indeed replace the brake hoses that connect to the calipers? I wonder if they are old and are swelling under pedal pressure with the new larger calipers.
I have ordered the AMG 63 red calipers front and rear as a kit and they come with new replacement braided steel brake hoses.
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@barata84,
I'm curious, did you indeed replace the brake hoses that connect to the calipers? I wonder if they are old and are swelling under pedal pressure with the new larger calipers.
I have ordered the AMG 63 red calipers front and rear as a kit and they come with new replacement braided steel brake hoses.
I end up buying a new brake hose which is slighty bigger hose than the one im replacing.
Braided steel brake hose is not original.
None of the original uses braided steel.
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Old Dec 25, 2024 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by barata84
I end up buying a new brake hose which is slighty bigger hose than the one im replacing.
Braided steel brake hose is not original.
None of the original uses braided steel.
Some schools of thought (including mine) are that braided brake lines swell like unbraided, but that the swelling occurs inward, constrained by the braided jacket, and can restrict fluid flow. The steel hides the restriction.

I've replaced the braided lines on my 356 because of that specific malady. Which I had installed 8 years prior, because it was the "thing to do" in the 90's. And an old Land Cruiser, which also failed inward.
Maybe it was the brand (can't remember), but I don't do braided any more.
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@ brata84 Did replacing the brake hoses improve your soft pedal issue? Were you able to correct the problems and does the brake system work properly now?

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