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I have a question regarding winter tires for GLS 580. What most of you doing? Are you buying original wheels and tires form dealer? Do you use 21 size tires or 19-20 for winter? Do you use the same size tires for the front and rear wheels or the same 275 and 315 size for the front and rear? Any recommendations regarding good replica wheels? Do you consider to buy winter replica wheels or better to stick with original Mercedes winter wheels?
Thanks for shearing your thoughts and experience.
There are a number of threads about this here, a search may help. The top 2 here are about 63s and the last one specific to the 580, but all have the same challenge.
I just put Pirelli Winter Scorpions on my GLS63 in 22", and oh man I love them. But for $2,400, I should! I've used them year-round on my 2017 GLS63 for years.
I have a question regarding winter tires for GLS 580. What most of you doing? Are you buying original wheels and tires form dealer? Do you use 21 size tires or 19-20 for winter? Do you use the same size tires for the front and rear wheels or the same 275 and 315 size for the front and rear? Any recommendations regarding good replica wheels? Do you consider to buy winter replica wheels or better to stick with original Mercedes winter wheels?
Thanks for shearing your thoughts and experience.
I have a 580 and use 20 pirellis. Not my favorite winter tire but one of the few snow tires in mega size. BTW forget about the staggered set up, they should all be the same size as the fronts. Snow tires on bigger rims may look cool but its self defeating since the lower the sidewall the worse snow traction you get. Even with 20s, the scorpions are mediocre snow tires. Much better than all season but not Blizzaks in any shape or form. Its dry performance again is a compromise since their handling is not horrible but certainly not "sporty". I can wait to put the Contis back on in spring to recover the 580 handling chops back. It is what it is. 🤷
I had pirelli snows on my E43 and was also disappointed with the snow performance, I swapped them for michelin PA 5 this year, we'll see how they measure up.
I have a 580 and use 20 pirellis. Not my favorite winter tire but one of the few snow tires in mega size. BTW forget about the staggered set up, they should all be the same size as the fronts. Snow tires on bigger rims may look cool but its self defeating since the lower the sidewall the worse snow traction you get. Even with 20s, the scorpions are mediocre snow tires. Much better than all season but not Blizzaks in any shape or form. Its dry performance again is a compromise since their handling is not horrible but certainly not "sporty". I can wait to put the Contis back on in spring to recover the 580 handling chops back. It is what it is. 🤷
I had pirelli snows on my E43 and was also disappointed with the snow performance, I swapped them for michelin PA 5 this year, we'll see how they measure up.
When your Pirellis are done go with the Vredestein WintracPro. Best Winter tire on the market....by far! I run these on my Cayenne and move from a 22" Summer UHP to 20" Winter setup with the Vredesteins and simply put, they are spectacular. Best snow and ice performance I have experienced in a Winter product and dry handling is amazing. To be honest when I put these on (and I just made the switch last week for the start of my second season) I actually don't feel that I miss the 22" Summers. Of course when I put the 22" on in the Spring I remember why I like them so much. I have a 2022 GLS450 AMG PKG on order right now and have a set of 21" Vossen wheels coming with the Vredestein rubber to go on them for my Winter setup. Hope it performs as well on the GLS as it does on the Cayenne and I expect it will since I won't be driving the GLS nearly as aggressively as I do the Cayenne.
When your Pirellis are done go with the Vredestein WintracPro. Best Winter tire on the market....by far! I run these on my Cayenne and move from a 22" Summer UHP to 20" Winter setup with the Vredesteins and simply put, they are spectacular. Best snow and ice performance I have experienced in a Winter product and dry handling is amazing. To be honest when I put these on (and I just made the switch last week for the start of my second season) I actually don't feel that I miss the 22" Summers. Of course when I put the 22" on in the Spring I remember why I like them so much. I have a 2022 GLS450 AMG PKG on order right now and have a set of 21" Vossen wheels coming with the Vredestein rubber to go on them for my Winter setup. Hope it performs as well on the GLS as it does on the Cayenne and I expect it will since I won't be driving the GLS nearly as aggressively as I do the Cayenne.
I always buy my winter packages (wheels and tires) from Tirerack. The wheels are not original but you can find some nice-looking wheels and as for the tires whatever you decide to go with. Tirerack customer support is honest and they can help you with the decision.
I always buy my winter packages (wheels and tires) from Tirerack. The wheels are not original but you can find some nice-looking wheels and as for the tires whatever you decide to go with. Tirerack customer support is honest and they can help you with the decision.
When your Pirellis are done go with the Vredestein WintracPro. Best Winter tire on the market....by far! I run these on my Cayenne and move from a 22" Summer UHP to 20" Winter setup with the Vredesteins and simply put, they are spectacular. Best snow and ice performance I have experienced in a Winter product and dry handling is amazing. To be honest when I put these on (and I just made the switch last week for the start of my second season) I actually don't feel that I miss the 22" Summers. Of course when I put the 22" on in the Spring I remember why I like them so much. I have a 2022 GLS450 AMG PKG on order right now and have a set of 21" Vossen wheels coming with the Vredestein rubber to go on them for my Winter setup. Hope it performs as well on the GLS as it does on the Cayenne and I expect it will since I won't be driving the GLS nearly as aggressively as I do the Cayenne.
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just got vredestein wintertrac pro’s on my 2021 450 with staggered 275/315 21” setup. The “Mercedes” Pirelli scorpion winters were significant more expensive and my research seemed to indicate the Vredesteins were actually the better performer. So far I love them.
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just got vredestein wintertrac pro’s on my 2021 450 with staggered 275/315 21” setup. The “Mercedes” Pirelli scorpion winters were significant more expensive and my research seemed to indicate the Vredesteins were actually the better performer. So far I love them.
I have a GLS450 with 22" AMG wheels. I am looking for a winter tire/wheel setup - can you point me to the sets that you bought?
Not a GLS owner, but I just installed my staggered Vredstein/ wheel package from Tire Rack on my E53. I also read great things about this tire and decided against my original plan of just putting Perelli Sottozeros runflats. on my 20 inch OEM wheels. I went down to a 19 inch staggered with non runflats. No room for a spare ( looked into Modern Spare) and have a neat little sealer/ mini compressor kit in the trunk. My budget didn’t allow a more costly wheel so I found these MSW 30 by OZ . They had a lot of designs and this one has a right Mercedes wheel offsets . Did my whole winter package with TPMS for $ 2100. Look great I think ,and rides so much nicer than the runflats!
I have a GLS450 with 22" AMG wheels. I am looking for a winter tire/wheel setup - can you point me to the sets that you bought?
Are these AMG 22’s you’re running 285/45 front and 325/40 back? When I search by those sizes I don’t see any winter tire options, at least not on Tirerack.com.
Maybe somebody else has some ideas for you… other than, of course, downsizing to 21’s or smaller for the winter.
Are these AMG 22’s you’re running 285/45 front and 325/40 back? When I search by those sizes I don’t see any winter tire options, at least not on Tirerack.com.
Maybe somebody else has some ideas for you… other than, of course, downsizing to 21’s or smaller for the winter.
Yes they are the AMG ones that came with the car. What wheels are you using with your 275/315 21" setup and what offset pls? I believe 2022 450 and 2021 450 has the same wheel setup as mine is a 2022 GLS 450.
I'm not sure, they are the 21 inch triple spoke wheel upgrade.
Were they aftermarrrket wheels, or are they standard AMG wheels from MB? I also want to get the same tire, but i couldnt really find a rim that has the right offset/width that doesnt break the bank.
These were factory upgrade wheel options, but I do not believe these are AMG wheels. If you look at the MBUSA.com configurator, you can see the "21 inch triple 5 spoke" wheel option for $1,100. It's the third wheel option from the left on the USA site. If you're looking to reduce price and expand options for winter tires, the smaller you go will yield the most options. With my wheels, I only had a choice of the Pirelli Scorpion Winter (MB branded and non) and then these Vredesteins. I believe if you drop to a 20 inch square setup you'll have much more options.
These were factory upgrade wheel options, but I do not believe these are AMG wheels. If you look at the MBUSA.com configurator, you can see the "21 inch triple 5 spoke" wheel option for $1,100. It's the third wheel option from the left on the USA site. If you're looking to reduce price and expand options for winter tires, the smaller you go will yield the most options. With my wheels, I only had a choice of the Pirelli Scorpion Winter (MB branded and non) and then these Vredesteins. I believe if you drop to a 20 inch square setup you'll have much more options.
thanks. i am just learning these tires/wheels for the last 2 days.
Is speedometer error something a concern to you? My current setup is 285/45/22 and if i drop to 21, the speeddometer is going to be 4.7%, and if i drop to 20", then the speedometer is at 9.3%.
But it also makes me wonder, the GLS can also come with 21" and 20", how are those not having speedometer issues? (or may be I am the one that has speedometer issues?)
I don't have a whole lot of knowledge about this. I know that there's a TON of discussion on this topic out there if you google search - of course not just for our cars but wheels/tires in general. It's a good question - does a car like the GLS450 that has factory options as small as 20 inch square up to 23 inch staggered... do they alter the computer/speedometer at all at the factory to compensate for the varying wheel/tire sizes. I do not know.
Do most people just DIY on their wheel swap between summer and winters? Or they actually carry all that to a shop to do a swap? I plan on doing it myself with the jack that comes with the car, do i need any jack plugs? (I do have a hydraulic jack but i am just wondeirng if its something easier with teh jack that it comes with.
And anyone know about the torque spec for the lugs?
Around my neck of the woods, it costs around $100-300 to mount/balance a set of tires and wheels depending on where you go (and if you want to road-force balance). If you do that twice per year, you can compare that cost over time to simply purchasing a new set of wheels and mounting/balancing once and swapping the wheels and tires yourself each season. Investing in a floor jack, in my opinion, will be well worth it versus the OEM jack supplied with the car. Also, it's always best practice to invest in some high quality jack stands so the vehicle's weight is not supported solely by the jack itself in case of failure. Torque specs can easily be found online by searching. It may even be listed right in your owners manual.
It's certainly easier to have the wheels already mounted to tires. You don't have to make appointments to go to a shop, etc. Also, over the long term, it's probably not great for the tire bead to get mounted and dismounted so many times. Although, I haven't seen anything definitive about how many times a tire can be mounted/dismounted before its integrity is jeopardized.
And remember, you can always sell the spare set of wheels/tires when you go to sell the car. So you'll recoup some of the money spent.
Do most people just DIY on their wheel swap between summer and winters? Or they actually carry all that to a shop to do a swap? I plan on doing it myself with the jack that comes with the car, do i need any jack plugs? (I do have a hydraulic jack but i am just wondeirng if its something easier with teh jack that it comes with.
And anyone know about the torque spec for the lugs?
thanks
I do my own. That is one of the reasons I wanted a separate winter wheel and tire. Hydraulic jack works great, and yes there are hard rubber "pucks" that fit into a slot. they won't stay on their own, you have to hold it or put it on your Jack and position it. My torque was 110Lb/ft for my E53. That figure may be in your owners manual. There are some really nice flow forged wheels out there for way less than MB OEM wheels, just takes some research. Most important, find out your current offsets front and rear. Find wheels that are the same or very close. Use a size/offset calculator to see how it measures up. I found a wheel that had the same offset on the front and within 4 mm rear. They were half inch wider though. Still was fine. If you find something, post it and get some help on whether it fits.
EDIT: side note, I don't have a great way to transport four heavy tires, so my garage is just easier. I bought a nice set of tire storage covers from Pelican. They say Porsche, but that's OK with me. The ones on Amazon were sold out.
thanks. i am just learning these tires/wheels for the last 2 days.
Is speedometer error something a concern to you? My current setup is 285/45/22 and if i drop to 21, the speedometer is going to be 4.7%, and if i drop to 20", then the speedometer is at 9.3%.
But it also makes me wonder, the GLS can also come with 21" and 20", how are those not having speedometer issues? (or may be I am the one that has speedometer issues?)
As you drop in rim size you go up in tire sidewall height to make up the difference. The goal is to have the same size rolling diameter as your original tires both front and rear diameter should be nearly the same. Your 22's are 815mm front for the 285/45/22 and 818mm for the 325/40/22 rear rolling diameter. So if you go down to a smaller size rim get a set with as close to 815mm as possible. FYI 275.45/21 are 780mm dia and 315/40/21 are 785mm dia. which is my setup and added 4% more error to the speedometer. It was off 3% to start with so now with these new 21" rims my speedo is off by7%. I went with this size to ensure I had Mercedes MO spec. tires because I had trouble getting tires balanced on some tires and I want Mercedes to guarantee the balancing is 100%. I am told Mercedes can't fix the speedo inaccuracy even though there is an option for a different speedo setting in their MBUX or Xentry system for different height tires. I spoke to a couple of companies that do coding to the Xentry or MBUX system and they have not figured out how to make the change to fix the speedo.
You can get the correct size of Mercedes approved MO winter tires for your GLS in Pirelli Brand. I guess Tire Rack does not have them, so you need to shop around. Mercedes here locally sell them.
Scorpion Winter - MO
Mercedes OriginalFront Tire: Part #: TPIR2711100WSize: 285/45R22Load / Speed / Ply: 114 / V / SLRear Tire: Part #: TPIR3606600WSize: 325/40R22Load / Speed / Ply: 114 / V / SL
As you drop in rim size you go up in tire sidewall height to make up the difference. The goal is to have the same size rolling diameter as your original tires both front and rear diameter should be nearly the same. Your 22's are 815mm front for the 285/45/22 and 818mm for the 325/40/22 rear rolling diameter. So if you go down to a smaller size rim get a set with as close to 815mm as possible. FYI 275.45/21 are 780mm dia and 315/40/21 are 785mm dia. which is my setup and added 4% more error to the speedometer. It was off 3% to start with so now with these new 21" rims my speedo is off by7%. I went with this size to ensure I had Mercedes MO spec. tires because I had trouble getting tires balanced on some tires and I want Mercedes to guarantee the balancing is 100%. I am told Mercedes can't fix the speedo inaccuracy even though there is an option for a different speedo setting in their MBUX or Xentry system for different height tires. I spoke to a couple of companies that do coding to the Xentry or MBUX system and they have not figured out how to make the change to fix the speedo.
You can get the correct size of Mercedes approved MO winter tires for your GLS in Pirelli Brand. I guess Tire Rack does not have them, so you need to shop around. Mercedes here locally sell them.
Scorpion Winter - MO
Mercedes OriginalFront Tire: Part #: TPIR2711100WSize: 285/45R22Load / Speed / Ply: 114 / V / SLRear Tire: Part #: TPIR3606600WSize: 325/40R22Load / Speed / Ply: 114 / V / SL
Thank you very much. I just placed my order with the Viking Contact 7 285/45/22 and Mandrus Estate 9.5" wide +40 for a square setup. That gives me rolling diameter the same as the front, and 0.43% in the rear.
Do you know if the TPMS is a bluetooth one or its one of standard ones? I ordered from extremecustoms.com.
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