ProjectC55

So if that track is not at sea level are we saying that EE's car is a high 10sec to low 11 sec car?

juicee63

11.3 assuming his clutch works!

The one run I have on FILM was a 13.074@111! But the wifey says she say the wagon do 11.995@115 If he runs the 11.995 he would run 11.3 at 120 at sea level. Good match for a highly modded 55. I could beat him if he runs 13.074 and has a bad reaction to my jump LOL. Where is EE he should post his slip and explain to you guys how my car defeated stockers all day long, M5, RS6 M3, 335, other CLS, SL55, SLK32?

juicee63

Silver 98 w202 C43 to W202 C55 5.5L conversion. 13.39@102mph 310.62whp/322.53fttq with engine chk light due to leaking exh

Project lets take your C43 time, please do not take offense I just want you to be clear at the tremendous ATMOSPHERIC condition we run in at LACR.

I am going to take your time and adjust it to what you would run on the same day I ran on the above slip, same time same day same track. Then we can see what your car would do if we were side by side @LACR.


The closest weather results for 05/13/2007 at 02:26 pm

Time recorded 2:53 PM
Temperature °F 84.0
Dew Point °F 35.1
Altimeter Setting 29.87 in Mercury
Density Altitude: 4976.6 feet
Track Elelvation: 2640 feet

UnCorrected ET:
14.27 (sec) @ 95.705 (MPH)


Corrected ET to Sea Level:
13.39 (sec) @ 102 (MPH)


So as you can see, is you car slower or is it the ATMOSPHERE and ALTITUDE that make the TIME different? So when you say my times are horrible they are 1 second better than your car as they should be since I have 100 more hp to the wheels. Does this mean I would beat you in a race, no not necessarily.

ProjectC55

Concerning the Atmosheric conditions over there i read and understand and no I'm not offended . When I did that time I ran my car with too much air out of the rear tires(24psi Pirelli Nero's)hence my low mph,engine checklight on because my car had severe exhaust leaks. Not making any excuses but I wanted to see what it would do regardless. Today all those issues are fixed,no CEL's,new exhaust and the car is a total monster. Runs night and day compared to that run. I'm roughly predicting mid 12's at 108 to 110+mph with my mods. But my goal is to run the car and see my results instead of making such bold predictions.

juicee63

Making predictions and doing corrections are not at all the same. Your car would be 1 second slower here no matter what you did to it!!! If you run a 12.5@111 at your track its gonna be a 13.3-13.5 at 104 here. This is not speculation or prdiction it is a PHYSICAL FACT.

ProjectC55

No kidding! I'm not questioning your predictions or calculations. I have not run 12's yet so rather than boldly predict that I can I'd rather just run that time in reality first and then post it. That's all.

juicee63

Thanks Project..Good luck to you and your car, you will get there and so will I.

I am going to Fomoso Friday Night. It is only 650 feet above sea level. Hopefully I can crack 12.75@111..That would be incredible. My 13.3 run would equal a 12.75 there. Everyone says the track is much better so hopefully that is worth a little. Wonder why EE never came here to post his slip! Comon evil I need you to tell the folks what I did to the rs6 :-)

BenzoBoi

I was gonna say the same thing about the S6/S8 wagon and stuff...

So you got your work done at Wicked eh? I'm assuming Mike did the work? I haven't talked to that guy in ages...

EvilllEmpirE

Hey Josh......it was nice to meet you (and your wife?) on Sunday Great to see guys like you bring out the 63 AMG's out and see what they can do, even if it is the worst track in the country imho. But the great thing is that everyone was there, at the same time, same place, doing runs in the same conditions to compare I've been busy catching up with work, and also family stuff (both Mom and Mom-in-Law) in town visiting at the same time. I'll try and get some of the times up, and some videos (from my buddies cameras) once they get to sort through the massive footage that was shot on Sunday. I was pretty happy with the results and the way my car ran, especially considering the conditions! And yes, I saw you destroy those RS6's, poor poor them....500+ HP and AWD and couldn't do much with it Lates man

PS. You're heading out to Famoso? We might be taking a roadtrip to Sacramento Raceway, the ONLY good strip in Cali (other than Infineon). Maybe you wanna cruise with us? Famoso is Hit or Miss i hear......but definitely WAAAY better than that sh*thole called LACR You will easily see better ET's (prob at least .5-.6) as well as easily 5-8 MPH on your traps there! Thats a given

juicee63

DUDE I WOULD LOVE TO ROLL WITH YOU GUYS!!!

Anytime.

You guys have some serious serious track cars. I hope you understand I am not bashin the Audis , I was just more suprised I actually drove VERY WELL on that day! Since I was the ONLY BENZ aside from the debadged what ever the hell it was running 14.7's. I really wish more guys especially the M5, M6, E55s, E63s would come out and run, amazing at the German Invasion in So Cal there were a total of 2 AMG's and one of them never even got on the track!!!!

PM me when you guys wanna head up to SAC

SCM3

Its too bad i could not make it as my BMW would have dusted everything on that track day.

Improviz

SCM3

Just answering to this comment, wasnt really a serious remark but its the truth..

Improviz

Stock vs. modded is lame. If he were to s/c his 6.3L, you might have a point, but he's stock; you aren't. Anyone can mod a car and make it fast.

juicee63

The DA was 4900, I forget what you said your car runs but I think you said 11.9? @ LACR? You would have been certainly the fastest BMW but the S4 TT, ran an 11.9@119 and I saw him trap over 120 against me. So yeah man YOU SHOULD HAVE COME. The BMW's I raced got killed, the best BMW was the 335, very nice car!!(consistant runs) 13.5, 13.6@105

SCM3

Right, comparing a 3.2 to a 6.3 is lame, thats basically double the displacement! Then why do we all go to the track to compare cars anyways?

It sure seemed like a bad day, when i ran it was also 5000+ DA as well. Yes it was a 11.9 with a 1.9x 60 foot!!! I ran a 123 trap there, faster then any S4 that day. Remember these S4's are AWD and making 1.7x 60 foots over there, i have never hooked at LACR even up top. They tweak there cars on the spot to the MAX before they run down the track on high octane fuel. Anyways that was with 500rwhp (100oct), i have 840rwhp now.

I also heard the 335's did very well!

ChicagoX

I'm curious, what correction factor did you use to get these #'s?

I ask because turbo cars and N/A cars have vastly different correction factors.

juicee63

I used the NHRA correction factor for turbos which is the DA*.50= So he should only get a 50% correction for Altitude as Turbo and SC engines are less effected by DA. It could of been a mistake? I think the BMW ran Actually ran according to the driver an 11.9@123 , DA=5000 so he would do a correction for a 2500 DA? Since I corrected his time perhaps prior to completely understanding the difference the correction may be inaccurate for a turbo car @ Sea Level? Sorry if I made a mistake . Thank You for pointing this out

ChicagoX

More so with the turbo cars. Mechanically-driven superchargers are still affected by the thinner air and have no way to compensate like a turbo car with a blow-off valve.

juicee63

Ok . I will look it up and post it to correct the mistake. SC cars get a .50 correction. Let me look up TURBO!

Here is the only guideline from NHRA

NOTE: Supercharged and/or turbocharged cars (i.e.: AA/A, AA/AT, BB/A, BB/AT, A/PM and AA/PM) use half factor; TA/D and TA/FC cars are not factored.

Maybe you can decipher the TA/D TA/FC? AA/A what doe the classifications stand for? I know I am N/A, LOL, You are SC/?

ChicagoX

Alcohol burning Dragsters and Funny Cars.

The rest are other classes.

Tree

It took me forever to get through this thread because I kept getting so dang distracted by Sanjaya's sister!

Improviz

Right, and the M3 weighs several hundred pounds less, and has double the gearing. Have a look at the products of your gears * axle ratio and compare them to his. BMWs aren't magic; they make up for low torque with high redlines and high gearing. Different approach, better for tracks (low, high torque peaks give oversteer problems), due to different corporate philosophies. Both are geat cars.

My point was that it is useless to compare a heavily modded car to a stocker...anything can be modified to be fast.

Stock to stock, the new M3 should be right there, though.

SCM3

Supercharged and NA cars have it the worst up there usually.

Turbo cars with small turbo's or running out of turbo boost do bad up there as well.

Supercharged cars lose boost up there.

Turbo cars lose boost as well but the wastegate compensates unless the turbo cant take anymore (which is almost always in most cases).

ItalianStallion

You're kidding, right?.....

If you're not lying, how much money does it cost to get an M3 to similiar levels?