L0U

killed from on ramp to 220km/hr. It was close though. the 3.0t is strong.

CharlyE500

I call it BS
S4 6speed
Horsepower 333 @ 5500 RPM Torque (lb-ft) 325 @ 2900 RPM
E550 7speed
Horsepower 382 @ 6000 RPM Torque (lb-ft) 391 @ 2800 RPM
They don't weight that much different ........ or the 550 wasn't even racing you.

L0U

http://www.fastestlaps.com/compariso...udi_s4_b8.html

here is the closest i can find to the e550 coupe I ran. it is a fair comparison? c55 amg should be about right eh?

Kevwood

Ya, okay then. Did he still have the window sticker on it so you could tell it was a 2010?

Innocent_Stud

Did you just join just to post this "kill"? Are you sure he was even trying?

Hey how would you feel if I randomly went over to the Audi community boards and posted a kill against every single Audi Q7 and even the Q5 I've ever ran against? Add in the pre 2009 Audi A4s too.

L0U

He is the shift manager where I work. He bought his car a few weeks after I did. I posted to poke fun at a thread like this...because it is pretty funny. You wouln't post on the audi board about a kill...unless you started the thread.

I am looking for a slightly used 2012 amg CLS63. Its why I am browsing the board. The race is factual though. Mine dynoed at 305 at wheels. under rated from audi.

CharlyE500

C55 is completely different car. E550 has different engine. People keep assuming 550 engine is same as 55 engine from AMG. NO they are not the same engine, 550 has more HP and Torque. Plus, if you want to compare the same class, you should compare C63 2010 vs S4 2010.

CharlyE500

Not many Mercedes guy will just go to Audi forum posting smoking their cars. I have nothing against Audi, they are beautiful car but nothing compare to a Mercedes. You should try against C63 same class size car. FYI, you are not going to find any used CLS63 2012 anytime soon.

Innocent_Stud

Actually it would be the RS4 vs C63 AMG. Not the S4.

CharlyE500

RS4 should compare to C63 Black series

Innocent_Stud

Wrong.

Audi S4 on the Audiusa website starts at 47,300 USD.
Mercedes C63 AMG on MBusa starts at 58,930.

In the past, an Audi RS4 would always cost around a BMW M3 or Mercedes C AMG in order to compete against it.

A Mercedes C63 AMG Black Series is over 100K easily... An Audi RS4 is closer to the regular C63 AMG in performance than the C63 AMG Black, which would annihilate the RS4 of course.

CharlyE500

Not so wrong ! Nobody compare price in here, its the same class of car.
Mercedes has been always more expensive car to BMW or Audi for the last 30 years. C class is equivalent as 3 series or A4/S4 from Audi.
E classs, 5 series and A6/S6 from Audi..... So what about SLR ? any Audi has SLR price range ??? I would compare SLS to R8 but SLS is more expensive. So don't compare by price..... you should compare by the class.

L0U

found 9 for sale. in the usa. I am in canada. either way it would be shipped to my location.

as for the RS4, it costs more, but I have beaten them on and off track. Slower than the e550 coupe I ran above.

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...d=365003&Log=0

CharlyE500

Good find ! make sure you get the PP. Which part of Canada are you ?

Innocent_Stud

They're all the same class...

A4 or C class.

But the RS4 is clearly a standard BMW M3 or Mercedes C63 AMG standard competitor. Close to each other in price and NOT the price of a Black Series. And yes price does matter.

One person contemplating between purchasing a RS4 would only compare to an M3 or C63 AMG. NOT the Black Series. The Black Series competitors would be the 100K+ BMW M3 GTS or the 100K+ Porsche 997.2 GT3 RS. Notice the power difference also between an RS4 and a C BLack Series... No competition at all whatsoever.

It's almost like comparing "HEY should I buy a 2 seater Maserati Gran Turismo S (100K+) or a 2 seater Mercedes SL65 AMG Black Series?" (300K +)

There would be a stripped down RS5 track version (A5 = A4 coupe) if Audi wanted to compete with the C63 AMG Black Series... Just like BMW has with their M3 GTS.

And yes SLS is more comparable to the R8 since they're sort of close in price. Take a look at the R8 GT and see what it's worth compared with the SLS. A LOT closer so therefore they're compared often.

Even Autocar did some weird test of the BMW F10 M5 vs the 2013 Nissan GTR since they're very close in MSRP price although completely different cars.

CharlyE500

Too bad Audi doesn't have anything like C63BS.

CharlyE500

So what S4 competitor in C class ??? C55 ? which is different generation car ???

L0U

i am cross shoping the gran turismo mc too. Go figure. I am in the greater toronto area.

Fung63

As a C63 owner, I can tell you that a S4 is no where near my C63. If you look at c63 hp, torque and pretty much every performance measure, it blows the S4 out the water. C63 vs RS4 vs M3 are the comparisons. Audi currently has no direct competition for my car

Most people will place the S4 as a competitor to a BMW 335. If you must put a C class comparison, the logical choice is a C350 but the C350 will get smoked by the S4.

Innocent_Stud

^Exactly.

Kevwood

Price aside, you line up cars bases on their pecking order within the manufacturers line up. So, logically if the RS4 is the premier top end car in the Audi compact line up, it would be pitted against the top cars in the same pen that Merc and Bimmer have, that being a C63BS and M3. The Audi entry one down is the S4 so that would go up against the C63, A4, guess that would go against the C350 or something.

Run what you 'brung...

Kevwood

Being in the GTA is certainly going to aid you in finding what you want, heavy population and right on the US boarder. Good luck.

CharlyE500

+1

Solo_D33A

How I see:
C250 - A4 - 328i - IS250
C350 - S4 - 335i - IS350
C63 - RS4 - M3 - ISF

L0U

rs5 instead of rs4. It competes better, and is for sale for 2013s now.