Improviz

Actually, you said that Cadillac has better engineering and quality than Mercedes, both of which are belied by actual repair histories submitted by actual owners.

So, as I said: as usual, you're spewing uninformed nonsense, and cannot back it up.

Moving on:

So you're saying you're what, a racist? Nice.

But aside from this, it begs another question. You constantly ridicule people here for buying a "prestige" brand, and yet you seem to confine yourself to "prestige" brands such as BMW, Mercedes, and Cadillac.

So why then do you ridicule others for purchasing Mercedes when you yourself only consider such brands? Clearly there were other American cars available when you bought (supposedly) your C Class; why did you limit your search parameters to these brands, only to turn around and ridicule others for doing the same thing?

You needn't answer, it's quite obvious that you're as hypocritical as the day is long.

Racism above.

Cabin design != fit and finish. And if this is common knowledge, again: why didn't you buy one? Audis were available when you supposedly bought your Benz; why didn't you get an Audi? And why did you, who ridicule those of us who own cars in the luxury segment confine your search only to cars in the luxury segment?

There is real cognitive dissonance here, friend....even if you don't admit it, it's pretty plain to see. It's just patently ridiculous of you to make snide remarks about people choosing to drive a luxury brand when you, yourself, chose from among luxury brands.

Yes, it is. So why not re-read my question, and your answer, and tell me where it is exactly that you answered it? I asked you why you chose a C Class over a Ford Focus: no answer. I asked you why you didn't choose an Audi: no answer. I asked you why, if you feel that Mercedes' "fit and finish" are infinitely worse than BMW and Audi, you didn't buy a BMW or an Audi: no answer. I asked you if you consider fit and finish when you buy a car: no answer. I asked you why you didn't consider other brands aside these three, given that you seem to think it's ridiculous for people to buy "prestige" brands: no answer.

No answer, as expected.

So basically you on one hand confine your automobile searches to prestige/luxury brands, yet ridicule those of us who do the same, and who riidicule the reliability of Mercedes for being bad, yet loudly proclaim Caddy engineering to be better, despite their being worse than Mercedes in reliability surveys of actual owners. And to top it off, you assail the reliability of Mercedes' cars while stating that reliability is not an issue for you.

As I said: this is obviously not about any of these issues. Sour grapes, projection, and class resentment are obviously the prime factors here.

Keep shoveling, this is funny.

C280 Sport

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I sat in a new CTS-V a few weeks ago and the interior was definitely more luxurious than the C63 I test drove last month. I'm not brand-loyal so having owned a previous generation CTS-V is not why I am stating this. Go sit in one yourself and you'll be impressed (unless you have already made up your mind of what you think without even seeing one).[/quote]


I hated the old CTS-V. I dont like the interior of the C63 either. The CTS-V is much better interior wise. Its nice looking also but with GM in the hole I personally would stay away from it. I would much rather pick up a second hand Corvette for about $20,000 and drop a supercharger into it. Or just do what my neighbor did when he was choosing the CTS-V or Corvette. He picked up a second hand Z06 for $30,000 and put some upgrades on it now it makes 800bhp on his Dyno.

Improviz

Well now, let's see...the second link you provided gave no reliability data for the CTS, and the second uses JD Power, which is a) funded by the auto industry, and b) was done using survey data for 2005 MY automobiles, wherein all defects were given equal weight (i.e., wind noise is just as bad as a blown engine/tranny); weighted surveys, which assign more weight to items that cost more $$$ to fix, are better, as they allow a more realistic assessment of ownership costs. I would suggest you try here for a 2009 weighted survey based upon ALL MY cars from 1999 to present:

http://www.consumerreports.org/

There, you will find data by manufacturer which backs up what I wrote earlier; if you find a discrepancy, please post it.

For the Cadillac CTS, they have data for 2003 thru 2008. By year, the car's overall reliability rating is as follows (w = worse than average, mw = much worse than average, and a = average):
2003 = w
2004 = a
2005 = w
2006 = mw
2007 = w
2008 = w

And the CTS is one of the more reliable cars in their lineup.

So again: my point was NOT that MB is The Gold Standard of reliability (as noted, I've already criticized them for poor reliability elsewhere in this forum), but rather that for tuscanraider to hold Caddy up as some sort of pinnacle of engineering compared to Mercedes, given their poor reliability record, is pretty laughable.

I already stated that I think the CTS has a better interior than the C Class and that I test drove one late last year. I also stated that these have zip to do with reliability, and they still don't.

tuscanraider

You're somewhat dense, so if things need more explaining I'm here to help. I often times need to work with inferior minds (upper management) so I have the blessing of patience. So I'll caveman it for you.


I said Audi & BMW have better engineering. Need I reiterate AGAIN why i didn't get BMW? In retrospect you're right i SHOULD have gotten an A4.

Why not a Ford Focus? Because i was looking at Sport Sedans. Get it? Ford Focus no in that category....Ford Focus is commuter car... unga bunga....sport sedan = BMW, MB, Audi, Lex, Inifint....the older base model CTS's were trash, and i told ya I'm not buying from the land of the rising sun.

Seriously dude, if you're a lawyer that's funny. I wouldn't advise anyone to hire counsel to represent themselves vs. you. It's not needed.... a GED and a JC Penney suit is about your equal. Or perhaps they should just roll up in a Benzo and you'd be as mesmerized as a 1yr old watching baby Einstein.

SeattleBum

I don't have access to the CR data so I'll just have to take your word for it.

Stiggs

Oh Boy.....this is going nowhere fast.

Mathmik

This Thread is getting GAY and Fast! No disrespect to gays!

ldangeli

I see the boys are at it again. Hey here's a thought. WHO GIVES A *****! If you want a caddy, buy one have fun, if you want a Benz, buy one, have fun. I currently own Both BENZ and BMW and have had Audi's, porsche, ferrari, ford, jeep, etc, etc. Um.. I lost my point, kind of like this thread...

Air Marshall Eldritch

Well aren't you the baller.

Improviz

Nice...getting killed on your lame hypocritical arguments, you turn to the age-old "you're proving my arguments to be wrong and stupid, so I'lll just call you names" technique. Won't work: you're providing me with waaay too much ammo.

Well, you're obviously a low-level employee, judging by your taste in cars...is this at the local Dairy Queen, I take it?

You can say the moon is blue too, but this doesn't make it so. You are not The Final Word on Car Manufacturers' Engineering capabilities, and in fact are not an engineer in all likelihood, so what you think about their capabilities, or lack thereof, is nothing more than an uninformed, subjective opinion, unless you can quantify it somehow with something slightly more concrete than the excuse proferred by the monkeys in "The Jungle Book", namely "It's true because we say it is!".

I've challenged you several times to stubstantiate this bogus claim, and you've demurred, meaning that you can't, and you know you can't. Thus, you've been proven to be a blowhard and a liar.

No, and you've also made your anti-Japanese racism quite clear as well. Of course, you have YET to explain why it is that you, who constantly accuse members of this forum of some smug sense of superiority for daring to drive Mercedes Benzes, confined your search ONLY to Mercedes and its competitors.

Why? To fulfill some smug sense of superiority?

You've stated that Mercedes "isn't special". So fine, you bought a car which "isn't special", which has "infinitely worse fit and finish than Audi and BMW", etc etc etc....which means that either you're a fool, a liar, or both. I vote both.

Because of its "superior engineering", which you've yet to establish.

Lol, you truly are ignorant. Ever hear of this? That, my ignorant PITA, is what you call one o' them thar 'merican sport sedans! And it just so happens to be....drumroll, please...it's coming:

A FORD FOCUS!!!

An SVT Focus, to be sure; in its hatchback two-door form, it won this non-sport hatchback shootout at edmunds.com, which they interestingly titled "Sport Hatchback Comparison Test". They seemed to be very impressed with its handling, stopping distances, track performance, etc...

But what does edmunds.com know about cars? And what does car & driver know, for that matter? They thought it was pretty sporty as well. As did those know-nothings at Motor Trend when they tested the Ford Focus SVT sedan.

Gawd, this is like taking candy from a baby, figuratively *and* literally.

Moving on, let's see now: so you, who spend all of this time assailing people for driving Mercedes and not American cars, wanted a "sport sedan".

Which is why you bought a C230, which does 0-60 in what, about the same time as the non-sporty Ford Focus SVT? I guess you have a different definition of "sport" than most of us...I mean, did you not happen to know of the C320? Sheesh...

But how do you, oh Oracle of Orifices, define a "sport sedan"; please, enlighten us:

Because you're a racist, you've made that clear. Nice to know we have slope heads like you polluting our forum...perhaps you should try googling for the Ku Klux Klan forum and spend time there.

But in looking over your list, one thing stands out rather glaringly, particularly in the context of this thread and your activities in it: you're basically saying that the American manufacturers do not, and did not, make sport sedans (even Focuses, I guess)? That their crop of cars was not acceptable for you?

Funny, that's pretty much the same point many in this thread have made. So basically you on one hand jump down Mercedes owners' throat for buying Mercedes and imply that American cars are oh so much better, then turn around and provide a list of what you consider to be "sport sedans", and lo and behold: not a single solitary American car is on your list!!

Pretty funny...I didn't even have to pwn you, you did it for me. Thanks.

Aww, there there....now don't get all butt hurt at me for exposing your hypocrisy, junior....you make it all too easy.

Air Marshall Eldritch

Alright, enough with the bickering folks. Tuscanraider, it is probably time to move along to the CTS forum and get over your feelings for MB.

Improviz, you need to shift your focus to the W211 forum, or Sarah Conner's kids.

This thread is closed.