Here's an American car that'll put your Benzes to shame!
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the taxi versions are not the typical Mercedes Benz you see at the dealer. In fact I doubt you will find any E200 Diesels in US at all, except for maybe a few imports. Besides, it's good for business... Would a tourist get into a Mercedes taxi or a town car? Hmmm. Mercedes trucks have always been good. Unimog is the truck. I don't know what you are talking about, but it has excellent off-road capabilities and is capable in any type of terrain, from Tundra to the Desert, you will find it highly practical.
A guy I know (drives a Sentra SE-R) makes fun of my car because he saw Mercedes Taxis in Germany... jealous ricers lol.
What car do you drive tuscanraider?
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'93 RX-7, SLK55
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GM's stock is at $3.40 & the entire company's market cap is $2B (there are individuals that could buy GM with CASH - not that anyone would as the firm is a mismanaged mess). Sooo, maybe they will still be in business next year when you buy (or at least the plant that builds the Caddys has not been closed for asset dispositioning for creditors).
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If GM were a hospital patient; it would be someone inflicted with terminal pancreatic cancer being treated by chiropractors at a hospital funded by neighborhood beggers. It ain't lookin' good for GM right now...and good luck with Warranty service if you do get the car & the company has been sold off and/or liquidated for creditors.
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And for reference this is actually the fastest caddiy: http://www.carforums.net/reviews/mak...Cadillac12.jpg
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There are MANY firms & people who not only could buy out the majority of outstanding shares to become the largest GM shareholder (thereby controlling the company) but could buy ALL outstanding shares (# of shares outstanding X share price on agiven day). A $2B market cap is, well salted peanuts.....correction, GM's market cap has declined another 15% ($300M) since my last posting putting it at $1.7B (now worth peanuts minus the salt).
In short, a firm's assets don't mean much if/when its liabilities exceed them.
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What gets me about this is why does this person waste so much time posting about Mercedes on a Mercedes site no less if they hate them and they currently dont even drive or own one.
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If he owns a Caddy, rest assured it's a model.
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Well the thing that gets me on many forum sites is when people go out buy a Mercedes and its the only one they have ever owned and they go "Its crap, it break" and so on. I asked one guy who was nocking Mercedes for about 20 post what did he buy. He goes to me a "1994 C280 with 200,000 miles" Well at age and miles something mayjor is bound to go wrong.
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Well the thing that gets me on many forum sites is when people go out buy a Mercedes and its the only one they have ever owned and they go "Its crap, it break" and so on. I asked one guy who was nocking Mercedes for about 20 post what did he buy. He goes to me a "1994 C280 with 200,000 miles" Well at age and miles something mayjor is bound to go wrong.
In the "Upscale Cars" category, the next-to-last and last-place finish honors went to the CTS (awd and rwd respectively), at 20% and 30% below average...and in the "Luxury Cars" category, the STS comes in dead last, with reliability more than 80% below average. And of course, the Escalade and SRX models are right there in the netherlands in their respective categories.
So not only is our teenaged friend a troll, he's a woefully ignorant troll.
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Its not only here. Its on other sites also. Another reason could be that maybe they where promised a Mercedes as a first car and got a Ford or something else and now they are enious of everyone else. Who knows?
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He's a tool and a troll, but for some reason the mods let him stay around.
I wasn't exaggerating when I wrote that all he "contributes" here is juvenile garbage and flamebait; check his posts. I'm guessing mid teens at best. I mean, what adult would take the name of a Star Wars character as a posting handle?
If he owns a Caddy, rest assured it's a model.![crazy](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/crazy.gif)
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If he owns a Caddy, rest assured it's a model.
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True...and it's not as if Cadillac is one of the most stellar brands wrt reliability: according to the latest Consumer Reports data, the brand is ranked 31st out of 34, trailed only by Chrysler, Saturn, and Land Rover.
In the "Upscale Cars" category, the next-to-last and last-place finish honors went to the CTS (awd and rwd respectively), at 20% and 30% below average...and in the "Luxury Cars" category, the STS comes in dead last, with reliability more than 80% below average. And of course, the Escalade and SRX models are right there in the netherlands in their respective categories.
So not only is our teenaged friend a troll, he's a woefully ignorant troll.
In the "Upscale Cars" category, the next-to-last and last-place finish honors went to the CTS (awd and rwd respectively), at 20% and 30% below average...and in the "Luxury Cars" category, the STS comes in dead last, with reliability more than 80% below average. And of course, the Escalade and SRX models are right there in the netherlands in their respective categories.
So not only is our teenaged friend a troll, he's a woefully ignorant troll.
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SLK55 AMG, E320 BlueTec, ML350, (formerly) C32 AMG, MR2 Turbo, HD-FLH-FSE, BMW R100RS, Ducati M900
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A valid question for the uninitiated. Its an AMG thing. If we have to explain it, your not going to understand anyway, lol ![thread](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/thread.gif)
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Go home, work hard, succeed and then go pay cash for an AMG, no lease, no finance and spend a few years catching up. Then come back and compare it to your caddy.
Until you have owned a car that was designed with few if any compromises and then built like an aircraft with every system designed and planned to be serviceable, rebuildable and maintainable, long term using only the best componentry that not only lasts longer but performs better, until that has set in it is really hard to talk about any MB, Porsche, etc. They are different. They are also tough as a tank. I once was T-boned in my Porsche by a Toyota on a major US highway. The impact spun me across the centerline crashing head-on into the side of an 18 wheeler. In most lesser cars, I would be dead. But in the light weight, small German supercar, I walked away with a tiny scratch across the top of my right thumb. We hit so hard that my radar detector broke thru the right window and was tossed 40 yards down the highway. Try that manuver in a CTS, lol.
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and Ah'em Ron and tahgetha we make Mo-Ron's hot rod ECU tuning shop and septic tank cleaning service. We takes tha chit what nobody wants and we turns it inta chit what they do want.
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Go home, work hard, succeed and then go pay cash for an AMG, no lease, no finance and spend a few years catching up. Then come back and compare it to your caddy.
Until you have owned a car that was designed with few if any compromises and then built like an aircraft with every system designed and planned to be serviceable, rebuildable and maintainable, long term using only the best componentry that not only lasts longer but performs better, until that has set in it is really hard to talk about any MB, Porsche, etc. They are different. They are also tough as a tank. I once was T-boned in my Porsche by a Toyota on a major US highway. The impact spun me across the centerline crashing head-on into the side of an 18 wheeler. In most lesser cars, I would be dead. But in the light weight, small German supercar, I walked away with a tiny scratch across the top of my right thumb. We hit so hard that my radar detector broke thru the right window and was tossed 40 yards down the highway. Try that manuver in a CTS, lol.
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#346
A valid question for the uninitiated. Its an AMG thing. If we have to explain it, your not going to understand anyway, lol ![thread](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/thread.gif)
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Go home, work hard, succeed and then go pay cash for an AMG, no lease, no finance and spend a few years catching up. Then come back and compare it to your caddy.
Until you have owned a car that was designed with few if any compromises and then built like an aircraft with every system designed and planned to be serviceable, rebuildable and maintainable, long term using only the best componentry that not only lasts longer but performs better, until that has set in it is really hard to talk about any MB, Porsche, etc. They are different. They are also tough as a tank. I once was T-boned in my Porsche by a Toyota on a major US highway. The impact spun me across the centerline crashing head-on into the side of an 18 wheeler. In most lesser cars, I would be dead. But in the light weight, small German supercar, I walked away with a tiny scratch across the top of my right thumb. We hit so hard that my radar detector broke thru the right window and was tossed 40 yards down the highway. Try that manuver in a CTS, lol.
Hi mah name is Mo
and Ah'em Ron and tahgetha we make Mo-Ron's hot rod ECU tuning shop and septic tank cleaning service. We takes tha chit what nobody wants and we turns it inta chit what they do want.
Call 1-888-HOT-CTSV
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Go home, work hard, succeed and then go pay cash for an AMG, no lease, no finance and spend a few years catching up. Then come back and compare it to your caddy.
Until you have owned a car that was designed with few if any compromises and then built like an aircraft with every system designed and planned to be serviceable, rebuildable and maintainable, long term using only the best componentry that not only lasts longer but performs better, until that has set in it is really hard to talk about any MB, Porsche, etc. They are different. They are also tough as a tank. I once was T-boned in my Porsche by a Toyota on a major US highway. The impact spun me across the centerline crashing head-on into the side of an 18 wheeler. In most lesser cars, I would be dead. But in the light weight, small German supercar, I walked away with a tiny scratch across the top of my right thumb. We hit so hard that my radar detector broke thru the right window and was tossed 40 yards down the highway. Try that manuver in a CTS, lol.
Hi mah name is Mo
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Call 1-888-HOT-CTSV
The 2008 CTS has (for references) very respectable crash worthiness.
http://www.automotive.com/2008/12/ca...sts/index.html
It should be noted that 1) crash test data could not be verified for the Porsche and 2) the test data speaks for itself.
Here is the closest Mercedes C-class for reference.
http://www.automotive.com/2008/12/ca...sts/index.html
Here is a video crash test of the 2008+ CTS
http://www.automotive.com/2008/12/ca...sts/index.html
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#347
I also test drove a new CTS last year, and was very impressed. But it isn't in the same league as my CLS (nor should it be, at less than half the price point).
But neither of these change the fact that in consumer surveys, Cadillac is at or near the bottom in reliability. Nor does it change the fact that tuscanraider is an ignorant troll, who made a false, ignorant argument about Mercedes engineering, which is why I raised the point in the first place.
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Yes. My first car was a Camaro, also had a Trans Am (shaker scoop, 6.6L motor, nice car) a Corvette, and a Grand Prix in my pre-German phase.
I also test drove a new CTS last year, and was very impressed. But it isn't in the same league as my CLS (nor should it be, at less than half the price point).
But neither of these change the fact that in consumer surveys, Cadillac is at or near the bottom in reliability. Nor does it change the fact that tuscanraider is an ignorant troll, who made a false, ignorant argument about Mercedes engineering, which is why I raised the point in the first place.
I also test drove a new CTS last year, and was very impressed. But it isn't in the same league as my CLS (nor should it be, at less than half the price point).
But neither of these change the fact that in consumer surveys, Cadillac is at or near the bottom in reliability. Nor does it change the fact that tuscanraider is an ignorant troll, who made a false, ignorant argument about Mercedes engineering, which is why I raised the point in the first place.
In any case, for the comparable price point the C-Class definitely has a run for its money, I'd say (being that I've been in both) the CTS interior is top notch in comparison to a C-class. The STS and E-class switch places. The CLS, S, SL, CL are just too far polished for the current breed of Cadillacs. Though like you already state, for the many thousands more that those Mercedes command it is obvious where the quality is able to go.
That being said, the all-new 2010 Buick Lacrosse is fantastic all around vehicle and will give all competitors a very stiff competitor in the next year.
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They all have their flaws and it is disingenuous not to acknowledge that they all do. Germans have great difficulty in electronics, and many commonly have electrical gremlins that elude even top level technicians. I've know many a diagnostic technician that cringes when a benz (bmw, or audi) enters the shop just simply because they are so electrically convoluted.
In any case, for the comparable price point the C-Class definitely has a run for its money, I'd say (being that I've been in both) the CTS interior is top notch in comparison to a C-class. The STS and E-class switch places. The CLS, S, SL, CL are just too far polished for the current breed of Cadillacs. Though like you already state, for the many thousands more that those Mercedes command it is obvious where the quality is able to go.
That being said, the all-new 2010 Buick Lacrosse is fantastic all around vehicle and will give all competitors a very stiff competitor in the next year.
In any case, for the comparable price point the C-Class definitely has a run for its money, I'd say (being that I've been in both) the CTS interior is top notch in comparison to a C-class. The STS and E-class switch places. The CLS, S, SL, CL are just too far polished for the current breed of Cadillacs. Though like you already state, for the many thousands more that those Mercedes command it is obvious where the quality is able to go.
That being said, the all-new 2010 Buick Lacrosse is fantastic all around vehicle and will give all competitors a very stiff competitor in the next year.
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Germans have great difficulty in electronics, and many commonly have electrical gremlins that elude even top level technicians. I've know many a diagnostic technician that cringes when a benz (bmw, or audi) enters the shop just simply because they are so electrically convoluted.
GM has definitely (albeit very possibly too late, but hopefully not) finally come to the brilliant conclusion that interiors and exteriors matter, and are producing some fantastic cars (CTS being one, except unfortunately for the repair rate), but again, my point of contention with the star wars kid is his fanciful claim about engineering. Given a few years, Caddy may get there in terms of quality, and when they do I'll definitely be giving them a serious look (as mentioned, I did test drive a CTS, and was quite impressed, before getting the CLS) but they ain't there yet.