M275 V12 Bi-Turbo Platform Technical discussion relating to models sharing the M275 V12 Bi-Turbo (V12 TT). Including SL600, SL65 AMG, CL600, CL65 AMG, S600, S65 AMG.
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Old 02-21-2012, 09:14 PM
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Who Will Win?????

hello im new here just got a 2003 cl 600, this weekend i will be rolling down to the local 1/4 track to watch a couple of friends duke it out..

2008 cls 63 ..stock
2004 cl55......stock
who will win???? both guys have never been in front of a tree ..

i was thinking i would get it on with them, my cars stock and was wanting to know if i could run with them or even beat them????? i think i will just watch and try them both after i get a ecu/tcu tune..

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I'm know your stock 600 would smoke a stock CL55 and I would think you would take the stock CLS also.

Get a SPEEDRIVEN ECU / TCU tune as soon as you can its a whole nother world

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I'm know your stock 600 would smoke a stock CL55 and I would think you would take the stock CLS also.

Get a SPEEDRIVEN ECU / TCU tune as soon as you can its a whole nother world


so ya think i can get by both of them?? the cls is a cls 63 with about 507hp..the plus factor is that i have been to the track dozens of times over the last 9 years and i would tree both of them for sure...i would like to catch both of them on the way home and get it on from a 60 mph roll, there i 'm thinking the v12 would be better..what do you think about a roll on from 60mph?? tune coming in a couple weeks..
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Just don't let your V12TT get heat soaked youll be dead
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hiway roll on....while cool

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Just don't let your V12TT get heat soaked youll be dead

can i take both on the hiway from a 60 mph roll on....while its not heat soaked??
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Depends on if you current intercooler pump is working or not...
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If its working the right way.will i have a chance??

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Depends on if you current intercooler pump is working or not...

if my cars 100% will i get beat??
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I doubt it. Stock vs stock, CL55 vs CL600 is sort of a drivers (at the launch) race. I don't think you'll have as much trouble with the CLS63 (at least that has been my experience).


As you probably have learned, the launch is where you'll win/lose the race - and the massive torque of the 600/65's is both a blessing and a curse. If you really want to win, I'd spend some time practicing your technique.
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Originally Posted by FormulaZR
I doubt it. Stock vs stock, CL55 vs CL600 is sort of a drivers (at the launch) race. I don't think you'll have as much trouble with the CLS63 (at least that has been my experience).


As you probably have learned, the launch is where you'll win/lose the race - and the massive torque of the 600/65's is both a blessing and a curse. If you really want to win, I'd spend some time practicing your technique.
My friend has a E55 with a pulley, tune and new IC pump, we did several 30-100 runs when my CL600 was stock, it was pretty much dead even each time.

We have yet to try this again with my now tuned CL600, he for some reason does not seem to eager to run me now



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Spend the money on an ECU/TCU upgrade and make CERTAIN that the 55 and 63 see those massive taillights of yours.
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will do thanks..

Originally Posted by FormulaZR
Spend the money on an ECU/TCU upgrade and make CERTAIN that the 55 and 63 see those massive taillights of yours.
thanks guys..
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WOW..

i finally got a chance to tangle with a 2008 cls63 today, we ran 4 times 3 runs from 30mph to 130mph and one from a dig.....i spanked him all four times with ease.. in the 1/4 mile he jumped me out of the gates , but i put 2 cars on him at the end of the 1/4 mile.. from a roll ..no contest...i love the 600's..
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S600 Eurocharged
A 5.5-6L V12 TT has more immediate potential than both that N/A 6.2 and Supercharged 5.5L V8, If we had good size turbos on the S600/65 we would be running over 130MPH traps on pump....
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wow..

Originally Posted by biturbine
A 5.5-6L V12 TT has more immediate potential than both that N/A 6.2 and Supercharged 5.5L V8, If we had good size turbos on the S600/65 we would be running over 130MPH traps on pump....
turbo upgrade ?? is it simple? and cost??
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Originally Posted by V12-CL600
turbo upgrade ?? is it simple? and cost??
Not so simple or low cost but a few guys are doing this with over to 800whp and 900wtq with more to go

Check out this thread.....

https://mbworld.org/forums/cl55-amg-...peedriven.html
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Originally Posted by V12-CL600
turbo upgrade ?? is it simple? and cost??
Just a matter of time until someone comes out with turbos and tune at a moderate price, should result in lower IAT at a given boost, simple compared to the others in that they will need at least 5+ mods to equal our performance if that. Some good size turbos and tune should result in some massive power, even on pump.
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+1 for Speedriven ECU TCU on any M275 Platform...Huge gains on the 600 but makes my 65 even sweeter

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