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Well it looks like Kimi will be in red next year.
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[14/05/06 - 19:15]
McLaren announcement imminent?
Raikkonen expected to move to Ferrari.
Kimi Raikkonen's move from McLaren Mercedes to Ferrari could be formalised as soon as the next stop on the calendar - Monaco.
After Michael Schumacher announced that he can leave it until the end of the season to make his own decision, Ron Dennis added more fuel to the speculative fire by revealing that McLaren's plans for 2007 had now been settled.
The full McLaren Mercedes line-up, with Fernando Alonso in one seat, would be known in 'two or three weeks', Dennis revealed in the Spanish paddock.
Former triple world champion Niki Lauda agreed with F1 gossip that Ferrari almost certainly already has at least one top driver - Raikkonen - ready to race.
He told Express: “It is inconceivable that a team like Ferrari risks arriving at the end of the year without a top driver under contract. The only potential replacement for 'Schumi' is Raikkonen.”
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[14/05/06 - 19:15]
McLaren announcement imminent?
Raikkonen expected to move to Ferrari.
Kimi Raikkonen's move from McLaren Mercedes to Ferrari could be formalised as soon as the next stop on the calendar - Monaco.
After Michael Schumacher announced that he can leave it until the end of the season to make his own decision, Ron Dennis added more fuel to the speculative fire by revealing that McLaren's plans for 2007 had now been settled.
The full McLaren Mercedes line-up, with Fernando Alonso in one seat, would be known in 'two or three weeks', Dennis revealed in the Spanish paddock.
Former triple world champion Niki Lauda agreed with F1 gossip that Ferrari almost certainly already has at least one top driver - Raikkonen - ready to race.
He told Express: “It is inconceivable that a team like Ferrari risks arriving at the end of the year without a top driver under contract. The only potential replacement for 'Schumi' is Raikkonen.”
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Originally Posted by kostas
i'm curious as to who will take the second spot.. i doubt it will be montoya
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it will be interesting on how this thing will pan out.
KIMI to ferrari maybe with shimi or another driver
Alonzo with Mclaren and another driver
renault dont have a driver? maybe Masa or Fisi or JPM
rosberg is a real good driver and one to be look at on the near future. I think he will be better than KIMI if he gets a good team like Mclaren, renault, or ferrari
KIMI to ferrari maybe with shimi or another driver
Alonzo with Mclaren and another driver
renault dont have a driver? maybe Masa or Fisi or JPM
rosberg is a real good driver and one to be look at on the near future. I think he will be better than KIMI if he gets a good team like Mclaren, renault, or ferrari
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Originally Posted by Trekman
rosberg is a real good driver and one to be look at on the near future. I think he will be better than KIMI if he gets a good team like Mclaren, renault, or ferrari
r u crazy? no 1 in the current field has more raw speed than kimi 1.KIMI
2.MICHAEL
3.ALONSO
4.JPM (ROSBERG maybe, he needs to prove more)
5.DC/FISI/MASSA/BUTTON(too close, i think)
7.KLIEN
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i said future not now future. you think shumi is going to retire next year? I have a feeling he is not going to retire but he is going to make a surprise move. only way he will retire is if ALonzo lets him win this year.
I know KIMI is fast but if Mclaren doesnt fix the problems they are having then kiss this season good bye.
I know KIMI is fast but if Mclaren doesnt fix the problems they are having then kiss this season good bye.
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Originally Posted by AMG_55
r u crazy? no 1 in the current field has more raw speed than kimi 1.KIMI
2.MICHAEL
3.ALONSO
4.JPM (ROSBERG maybe, he needs to prove more)
5.DC/FISI/MASSA/BUTTON(too close, i think)
7.KLIEN
I have noticed in the media, though, that younger and newer drivers are much more likely to labeled as possessing "raw speed." Perhaps it is the need to sell copy or the temptation to hype ... or perhaps it is to compensate for the fact that these hyped-up young drivers obviously lack the maturity, racing smarts, consistency, etc. as well as the team-building/politicking abilities one needs to become world champion.
That's fine, though -- I don't expect raw, young drivers to show up on Day 1 with those traits or abilities. "Raw speed" will do just fine.
The only place I would like to really disagree with AMG_55 is his choice of DC as joint 5th on his list. IMHO, DC is one of the most over-rated and/or under-performing drivers to have driven one of the marquee F1 cars in recent times. After all, it wasn't like he was driving a Minardi in his prime.
I can't think of too many drivers in the last 10 years who have had as good a car as his McLaren and yet made such little use of it. McLaren had the best car starting late 1997 and consequently dominated the 1998 and 1999 seasons. Thanks to Mika Hakkinen, that is. WTF Coulthard was doing while Mika won 2 WDC's, who knows?
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Originally Posted by 1985MB380SE
I can't think of too many drivers in the last 10 years who have had as good a car as his McLaren and yet made such little use of it. McLaren had the best car starting late 1997 and consequently dominated the 1998 and 1999 seasons. Thanks to Mika Hakkinen, that is. WTF Coulthard was doing while Mika won 2 WDC's, who knows?
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Originally Posted by Nola
A lad by the name of Fisichella comes to mind.
When I first read this I thought it said a "lady by the name...."
Would have made sense.
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Originally Posted by 1985MB380SE
"Raw speed" is one of those things ... how would one know (short of comparing drivers in exactly identical cars)?
I have noticed in the media, though, that younger and newer drivers are much more likely to labeled as possessing "raw speed." Perhaps it is the need to sell copy or the temptation to hype ... or perhaps it is to compensate for the fact that these hyped-up young drivers obviously lack the maturity, racing smarts, consistency, etc. as well as the team-building/politicking abilities one needs to become world champion.
That's fine, though -- I don't expect raw, young drivers to show up on Day 1 with those traits or abilities. "Raw speed" will do just fine.
The only place I would like to really disagree with AMG_55 is his choice of DC as joint 5th on his list. IMHO, DC is one of the most over-rated and/or under-performing drivers to have driven one of the marquee F1 cars in recent times. After all, it wasn't like he was driving a Minardi in his prime.
I can't think of too many drivers in the last 10 years who have had as good a car as his McLaren and yet made such little use of it. McLaren had the best car starting late 1997 and consequently dominated the 1998 and 1999 seasons. Thanks to Mika Hakkinen, that is. WTF Coulthard was doing while Mika won 2 WDC's, who knows?
I have noticed in the media, though, that younger and newer drivers are much more likely to labeled as possessing "raw speed." Perhaps it is the need to sell copy or the temptation to hype ... or perhaps it is to compensate for the fact that these hyped-up young drivers obviously lack the maturity, racing smarts, consistency, etc. as well as the team-building/politicking abilities one needs to become world champion.
That's fine, though -- I don't expect raw, young drivers to show up on Day 1 with those traits or abilities. "Raw speed" will do just fine.
The only place I would like to really disagree with AMG_55 is his choice of DC as joint 5th on his list. IMHO, DC is one of the most over-rated and/or under-performing drivers to have driven one of the marquee F1 cars in recent times. After all, it wasn't like he was driving a Minardi in his prime.
I can't think of too many drivers in the last 10 years who have had as good a car as his McLaren and yet made such little use of it. McLaren had the best car starting late 1997 and consequently dominated the 1998 and 1999 seasons. Thanks to Mika Hakkinen, that is. WTF Coulthard was doing while Mika won 2 WDC's, who knows?
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Originally Posted by Goggles Piasano
DC would have been the WDC if he hadn't been around when MS was at his prime. According to his record, DC has the second best winning record of any driver in the history of F1. Unfortunately second best is not good enough---ever.
Perhaps DC "could have been a contender" if neither MS nor MH were around?
I don't have tons of respect for Damon Hill or JV, but even those two were able to leverage their arguably superior cars and reliability into WDC wins.
And could you please elaborate re: DC's "second best winning record of any driver in the history of F1"? Are you talking overall wins, wins-per-start or which statistic are you using here?
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Originally Posted by 1985MB380SE
"Would have" and "World champion" don't usually go well together. In this instance, I find the "would have" even harder to believe. Mika came up against MS in the same prime that DC did. Why is it that MH was either a WDC winner or contender (vs. MS in his prime), while DC never was?
Perhaps DC "could have been a contender" if neither MS nor MH were around?
I don't have tons of respect for Damon Hill or JV, but even those two were able to leverage their arguably superior cars and reliability into WDC wins.
And could you please elaborate re: DC's "second best winning record of any driver in the history of F1"? Are you talking overall wins, wins-per-start or which statistic are you using here?
Perhaps DC "could have been a contender" if neither MS nor MH were around?
I don't have tons of respect for Damon Hill or JV, but even those two were able to leverage their arguably superior cars and reliability into WDC wins.
And could you please elaborate re: DC's "second best winning record of any driver in the history of F1"? Are you talking overall wins, wins-per-start or which statistic are you using here?
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Originally Posted by Goggles Piasano
I don't disagree with you, DC has had the second highest number of podium finishes second only to MS, which makes him consistent at least.
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Originally Posted by 1985MB380SE
I did not know that. DC has more podium finishes than Prost, Senna, Piquet, Mansell, etc.?
Unfortunately, the stats for DC are current up to 2004.
DC has more podiums than NP, Juan Fangio (35), MH, NM. The only drivers I've come across that apparently have more are MS, AP ad AS
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Originally Posted by 1985MB380SE
I did not know that. DC has more podium finishes than Prost, Senna, Piquet, Mansell, etc.?
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Originally Posted by Goggles Piasano
There is a pretty good database of F1 stats with a page on DC. The address is http://www.f1db.com/f1/page/David_Coulthard
Unfortunately, the stats for DC are current up to 2004.
DC has more podiums than NP, Juan Fangio (35), MH, NM. The only drivers I've come across that apparently have more are MS, AP ad AS
Unfortunately, the stats for DC are current up to 2004.
DC has more podiums than NP, Juan Fangio (35), MH, NM. The only drivers I've come across that apparently have more are MS, AP ad AS
Fangio and his record bear comparison to only a few drivers in history, specifically only multiple WDC winners. DC can't be mentioned in the same breath. Before MS, Prost and Senna, there was Piquet and Lauda, and before that there were those two Scots, Jacky Stewart and Jim Clark, to name a few.
DC could place many more podiums but his record is mainly by virtue of being around forever and almost always having had a "contender" car. He never even came close to winning a WDC, despite (until recently) having always driven either a Williams or a McLaren, two class cars of the field. Did he ever even come second in the drivers' championship? Perhaps the best he did was a distant third?
To have the class-beating 1999 McLaren and come only a pitiful 4th in the WDC shows how over-rated DC was. Ron Dennis must regret having signed his fellow brit, for DC cost him the 1999 constructors' championship. Among other mishaps, his crash while running an easy 3rd or 4th late in the season-ending Japanese Grand Prix helped Ferrari "steal" the 1999 constructors' championship from McLaren despite losing the WDC. McLaren would have won the constructors' championship too if DC had just finished in place (there's wasn't even anyone threatening his place when he inexplicably crashed into a wall and took out his nose).
