johnghini

Hi,

Selling a genuine Brabus E65. Converted on a zero mile 1997 E420 by Bev Hill MBZ / Brabus. Black with Black/gray, 38k miles. Excellent condition / one owner Los Angeles. All Brabus equipment. Motor Trend article on the very car: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...420/index.html You can email me at john@gmpc.com and I will send details. Price is 30k... or around there. Thx.

Hellkat

e65 w210? That is a little confusing.

Is it a bored out M117 V8, or does it have the 12 cylinder swap?

CDP

It's a V8.

read the article.

FLYNAVY

It's a modified m119 block

Hellkat

O.K. thanks. I thought that was just an e60.

Good luck with the sale!

JYOO

DAMN with 450 HP and 488lbs ft of torque, you are pumping close to w211 e55 power!!
Should run way faster than the 13.5 listed (ridiculous). If the 210 is lighter than the 211 shouldnt it run close to a 11.99 1/4mi time? With proper dr's of course.

Ted Baldwin

..........This car is no faster than a W210 E55 which you can buy now for $10K. The car will even have a difficult time keeping up with a C43. The newer AMG cars are always a much better bargain than modified non AMG variants, except perhaps the TT V12 series. The seller is asking for $30K. That is so out of the question, nothing more needs to be said.

Ted

RedG

It has nothing to do with the vehicle's overall performance, it is based on its rarity.

Ted Baldwin

..........there is really nothing rare about it. It is an aftermarlket modified 1997E420. Its value today is not much more than a standard 1997 E420.The car would have comanded top dollar in 1998 before the C43 came out. In 2009, so many other AMG offerings from 1998 till now have made that car not the gem you want it to be. Best to just keep these cars and enjoy them.

Ted

s4avt

I don't know what made you so negative about this sales, but I have to agree on how rare this car is and how low mile it is..

just let him sell his car for what he wants, there is noway you have to push him to the corner,

and if you can fine E55 for 10k w/ 30k let me know.. I dont think you can find it.

blas0827

Wow nice

Ted Baldwin

.............his posting his car in a public forum which invites public comment. It is interesting how people narrow the argument to the specific set of circumstances that works for them. Your comment about an E55 with 30K miles for $10K is in this category. Of course there are many W210 e55's for $10K. Now you want me to find one with $30k miles. You neglect the fact that the W210 E55's are at leas 3 years newer than the 1997 E420 in question. Unfortunately a modified, and very slow 1997 E420 does not impress many on the forum. Hence my comment. The fact that the car has low miles is a plus and may add a few hundred dollars to the value of a base 1997 E420. $30K is about the price of a 2003 SL55..........and yes with 30K miles. There is no comparison between a 1997 E420 and a 2003 SL55

Ted

RedG

It wasn't modified by a person, or non-dealership tuner, but by Mercedes and Brabus. Find another W210 with a Brabus setup and tell me what it is selling for, until then you really can't make the direct comparison to a regular E420, because well, it isn't. So yes, it is rare and should command much more money than a standard E420. Go ahead offer him $12k and see what happens.

Ted Baldwin

...........you still do not get it. If this car was not modified by a person, I suppose God himsel/herself did the modifications? There are many dealership tuner as you call them. Many dealerships house Kleemann and Renntech and modify these cars by dealership technicians. Here in GA, one of the major dealerships is a Kleemann tuner. It is still an aftermarket modified car and does not add much to the value of the original car. You are trying to put this car in the same historic category as the AMG hammer, which it is not.

...further, the intrigue for this car has since been overtaken by events. Mercedes now has its own factory, not dealership tuner. It is called AMG and they have made much better and faster cars since then. You will have to be very stupid in indeed to pay $30k for a brabus modified E420 that is slower than a C43. If you think the car is such a gem, why not put your money where your mouth is and buy the car from the seller for $30K? The way you are talking you can sell it for $100K next year.

...........As far as me offering the seller $12K. I won't even buy the car for $6K. It is simply a modified E420. The parent car is a non AMG car to begin with. Really nothing very interesting about it. There is brabus C43 with 457HP on sale for $12K. It has a lot of miles and therefore not very desirable, but as far as historic significance goes the brabus C43 is more interesting than the E420 in question. Here is a link to the brabus C43

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...standard=false


Ted

alx

hehe.. i remember salivating after this car many many years ago, but it did have a price straight from nasa back then...

funny how ones priorities in life change...

alex
few cars

RedG

SO why do you campaign so hard when it is quite a bit nicer than a C-class to begin with too? And has 1/3 the miles that Brabus C43 has you linked? FYI 1997-1998 E-Class's (with 30-40k miles) go for right around your linked B C43 about $10-12k. Some E430s are asking $16-18k.

Just let the OP get on with his sale, and it will go to a buyer who believes the price and value equals the negotiated price.

pas

I'm with Ted on this, the car is not worth much more than what is was based on. Doesn't mean some idiot won't buy it.

Ted Baldwin

.......you keep trying to put the car in a different category. I thought the car was a 1997 E420, not an E430. Correct?

...........Here is a list of all the 1997 E420's on ebay. Do you see anyone for the $16K you mentioned? The most expensive one is $9K. It has 55K miles. add a few hundred bucks for better mileage, and the car the thread starter posted is worth about att most $11k. At which point most buyers will buy a W210 E55.

http://motors.shop.ebay.com/items/Ca...4506Q2ec0Q2em1



.........The owner of the Brabus C43 had the right idea. That car has over 100K miles on it, meaning that the owner drove the hell out of it and enjoyed it. No point in keeping the car undriven and thinking that it will sell for $30K.

...........There was a time Kleemann cars were selling for a premium. A former board member here even sold his Kleemann C55 for nearly $80k. As soon as AMG came out with the W211 E55, the value of the Kleemann cars dropped to just over the value of the unmodified base car. That's the market.

Ted

Quicksilver500

Oh man, your right, why didn't I see it before? Now that I know this, a Duesenburg is just a modified Auburn/Cord, so I should be able to get one for those prices right? Yenko's also, just modified, not really worth anymore than a slant six nova, chevelle or camaro right? Or a Hammer most of them were based on the cheapest w124 you could buy so they should be had for pennies, or the AMG w108 6.8L! Man this opens all kinds of doors. If only I had known this sooner!

Seriously, 30K is a deal for that car, just because you don't think so doesn't really mean anything. Collectively people will agree on a value for this car and thats how much it will sell for. The motor alone is probably worth 20K or so, Brabus will build you one if you give them about 40,000 Euros.....You're not comparing apples to apples, this car COULD be compared to a Renntech E60...in which case the price is pretty reasonable. I bet the numbers are low on this car because you probably can't get it to stick till 3rd gear. You can buy a w211 E55 for <20k now if your a wholesaler, but who cares? A S/C w210 E55 is faster anyways.

Brabus made 3 w124 cars with this motor and they are worth more than 30k, one just sold in russia for like 60k US I think. The whole thing is, Brabus is on a different level than Kleeman. Kleeman makes some expensive bolt on parts. They don't engineer a car to be ***** to the wall fast or unique. There are no way the numbers on that article are right, after riding in a E60 and my 500E, that 6.5 has to pull more than that. A w124 E60 will pull a 4.4s 0-60 time, I bet if you took that 3.50 gear out and put a 2.47 or 2.65 in you might have an almost drivable car. Its not like Brabus has been making the fast sedans in the world recently, EV12 anyone? Those guys know how to build a motor thats for damn sure. Just because you can't appreciate what it is, doesn't change what it is, and how valuble it is to the MB community at the very least as a piece of history.

-Mike

sick430

can you please post recent picks of the car.
thanks

Ted Baldwin

........i knew someone will bring up the EV12. The EV12 is actually fast. We are being told that the modified and slow 1997 E420 in this thread is worth $30K because Brabus made it. It will be like paying for a hooker that can't perform, just because her pimp is well known. .

......if your claim is that this car is actually pretty fast, then produce proof. Otherwise there are many better offerings from AMG. Except for the EV12. most Brabus cars are very slow when compared to their competitors. The formal union of Mercedes and AMG dealt a big blow to the house of Brabus, beacuse customers can now get factory modified cars that out operform the aftermarket Brabus ones. Therefore only extreme offerings from Brabus such as the EV12 generate any excitement nowadays.

Ted

Quicksilver500

There is no way the car isn't fast if it weighs 3650 lbs, almost 490 FTlbs, with a 3.50 rear gear, no way. The only proof would be to drive it since there are probably only one or two of them. But frankly it doesn't matter, the idea behind owning this car is to have something that is unique AND fast. My 500E is 4000 lbs, 357 ftbls, and has a 2.82 rear gear and it will run 5.8 or 5.9 0-60 depending on ASR and just under 14s in the quarter.

Your comparison is bogus and inaccurate, why use hookers and pimps when you can use something similar like cars.

Here is one of the only videos of a w124 E65 I have ever been able to find, there was a Russian site that had one of the car there....but it has been removed. Your right it doesn't sound like it has much power.....I know a 500 won't jump like that unless you put 195/65/15's back on it. This is a Dubai car, there are some other videos floating around with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXrt-...eature=related

John, you have something pretty special there, can't wait for the pictures! (or a time slip :p)

nycturbovr6

Why must everyone attack peoples threads on this forum. If nothing positive can be said why not keep it to yourself. I have a thread on here as well and the majority people write negative comments all day long. Its pretty disgusting how this market place as turned for the worse..

FLYNAVY

So basically you just don't like Brabus? Fair enough, but I would say that some folks would actually pay money to have a piece of that Mercedes-related history, even if you don't think it is worth more than the base care it was built upon. I was kind of too lazy to read some of the exchange above, but IIRC the original w124 Hammer was built upon a extremely base model 200E. Though fast in its own time, the Hammer is certainly not overly quick by today's standards (compared with many of the newer AMG offerings for example). Does this mean that it is not a desirable car for many enthusiasts? I'd certainly pay top dollar for one, even if the 500e basically made it at best redundant, and at worst an unnecessarily expensive money pit (given the reputation of those early m117 quad cam blocks)? Sorry but I really can't equate this car to an E420 in it's current trim, even if it isn't the fastest Brabus out there

johnghini

This is my car- I don't mind the negative responses; everyone is entitled. It is however a great car, and within my narrow scope of connections, the only one I know of. For someone that wants a genuine article it probably cannot be duplicated (at least here in the States). It may not sell for 30, but it will sell for more than 20 I think. For someone, it is a ton of car for the money, and surely worth more than a new, garden variety Nissan. It's fast, solid, good looking, reliable, comfortable, and above all rare- I only know of another that did this (albeit in 1998). I own older performance MBZ's, a 92 500e, 04 Renntech S500, an original 6.0 Hammer, and a Brabus-tuned A160 (which you can see in the photos). All the cars are different and unique in some way. They are not all better or worse...just different driving experiences. I also have a CLS63...good car too but not nearly as special as the other ones (not even as special as the lowly Aclass). The CLS is mass produced and anyone can buy one. It is fast- faster than all the others but at the same time it is soul-less and definitely not as special. Even the build quality is not as good as the 500e which is 16 years older. That's the point with these cars...they have a unique place in the lineup and when you drive and own one, you will appreciate it. When you open the garage in the morning, you get behind the wheel of something that took many man-hours to build...it's a great feeling. I will put the car for sale on Ebay most likely and will get more aggressive about selling it. Maybe I will be shocked, but I think someone will like it and pay a little something for it. After all, that person will be paying about 130k less. A good compromise I should think?