Official Score Keeping Thread ML63 vs. Cayenne Turbo S. based on facts.
07-21-2006, 03:06 AM
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Official Score Keeping Thread ML63 vs. Cayenne Turbo S. based on facts.
So i thought it would be better to keep score and see wich is a better one , based on facts and tests , please post a reason for score and have proof such as ex. car and driver report , or features offered top speed or track times . and i will edit the post to post the latest score 
let the flaming begin.
SCORE
ML63= 6
Cayenne Turbo S= 4, and 1 possible.
score i would like to add is the price tag
Cayenne Turbo S MSRP: $111,600 vs. ML63 MSRP: $85,500
that is one point for ML.
let the flaming begin.SCORE
ML63= 6
Cayenne Turbo S= 4, and 1 possible.
score i would like to add is the price tag
Cayenne Turbo S MSRP: $111,600 vs. ML63 MSRP: $85,500
that is one point for ML.
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07-21-2006, 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by AMG_Power
the porsche cayenne turbo S is infact faster in a straight line than an ML63
Turbo S o-60 4.8
Ml 5.0
Turbo S o-60 4.8
Ml 5.0
07-21-2006, 10:57 AM
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SL500 /Porsche 997S/Porsche Cayenne Turbo
Originally Posted by WishforE55
looks
Cayenne Turbo S = 0
MB ML63 = 1
Cayenne Turbo S = 0
MB ML63 = 1
ML63
1. Looks a little like mom's mini van
2. Don't like tacked on fender flares
3. Looks like they tried to make the front end look a little like a Hummer
4. Don't like aluminum side rails
4. Plastic looking dashboard. At least the Porsche is covered in leather. At $85,500 you would think they could throw some leather over the plastic.
Styling: toss-up
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07-21-2006, 11:02 AM
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According to Autozeitung (translated from German):
"The Cayenne turbo S wins the prestigious driving dynamics chapter - he has here among other things with the brakes, the traction and driving safety the nose in front."
Porsche 1
ML63 0
"The Cayenne turbo S wins the prestigious driving dynamics chapter - he has here among other things with the brakes, the traction and driving safety the nose in front."
Porsche 1
ML63 0
07-21-2006, 11:12 AM
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And another thing to consider:
The Cayenne is going to have a facelift and the new model will be out around February 2007, 5 months after the ML63 is available in the USA. The horsepower of the $90k base Cayenne Turbo is rumored to be increased from 450 HP to 500 HP. Who knows what the HP will be in the future Turbo S.
So, how long will the ML63 hold the crown of the SUV with the fastest straight line acceleration?
Face it, both the Cayenne and ML63 are incredible SUV's. If you are looking for maximum performance from an SUV you can't go wrong with either. But neither will dominate the other in all measures of performance.
The Cayenne is going to have a facelift and the new model will be out around February 2007, 5 months after the ML63 is available in the USA. The horsepower of the $90k base Cayenne Turbo is rumored to be increased from 450 HP to 500 HP. Who knows what the HP will be in the future Turbo S.
So, how long will the ML63 hold the crown of the SUV with the fastest straight line acceleration?
Face it, both the Cayenne and ML63 are incredible SUV's. If you are looking for maximum performance from an SUV you can't go wrong with either. But neither will dominate the other in all measures of performance.
07-21-2006, 11:42 AM
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All the Autozeitung facts
PhilS, you forgot this quote from Autozeitung:
0-200 Km/h: ML wins
Comfort: ML wins
Track (with corners) run: ML wins (so much for better handling of the Porker).
Game, set and match for the ML. Better luck next time Phil
Source: http://www.autozeitung.de/index.php?...b=10¤t=3
"Der Mercedes ML 63 AMG geht als Sieger aus diesem Vergleich hervor. Sein feuriges V8-Triebwerk begeistert mit Sound und Temperament. Zudem ist er über 20000 Euro günstiger als der Porsche.
Der Cayenne turbo S gewinnt das prestigeträchtige Fahrdynamikkapitel – er hat hier unter anderem bei den Bremsen, der Traktion und der Fahrsicherheit die Nase vorn.
Die anderen Kapitel kann jedoch der AMG für sich entscheiden, der sich unter dem Strich auch noch dank seines geringeren Gewichts als das agilere Auto erweist."
Translated:Der Cayenne turbo S gewinnt das prestigeträchtige Fahrdynamikkapitel – er hat hier unter anderem bei den Bremsen, der Traktion und der Fahrsicherheit die Nase vorn.
Die anderen Kapitel kann jedoch der AMG für sich entscheiden, der sich unter dem Strich auch noch dank seines geringeren Gewichts als das agilere Auto erweist."
"The ML63 wins the overall comparison. It's feisty V8-drivetrain thrills you with its sound and temperament. And the ML63 is 20.000 Euro (28.000 US$) cheaper than the porsche.
The Cayenne wins the prestigious handling dept. It has advantages in brakes, traction and drive acuracy by a nose length
All other chapters are won by the AMG, that as a result of lower weight, comes out as the more agile vehicle"
0-100 Km/h: ML winsThe Cayenne wins the prestigious handling dept. It has advantages in brakes, traction and drive acuracy by a nose length
All other chapters are won by the AMG, that as a result of lower weight, comes out as the more agile vehicle"
0-200 Km/h: ML wins
Comfort: ML wins
Track (with corners) run: ML wins (so much for better handling of the Porker).
Game, set and match for the ML. Better luck next time Phil
Source: http://www.autozeitung.de/index.php?...b=10¤t=3
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07-21-2006, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by sprins
[B]0-100 Km/h: ML wins
0-200 Km/h: ML wins
Comfort: ML wins
Track (with corners) run: ML wins (so much for better handling of the Porker).
0-200 Km/h: ML wins
Comfort: ML wins
Track (with corners) run: ML wins (so much for better handling of the Porker).
Porsche is quieter inside at all speeds except passing
Porsche wins the slalom (How does such a "Porker" manage that?). You would think with all that excess weight that hog would hit all the cones. Wonder why the faster, lighter ML63 couldn't keep up through the cones? A win on a track has as much to do with power as it does with handling. And with the power advantage of the ML63 it wins around the track. But true back and forth handling through the slalom really shows which vehicle has the more "sports car" like ability.
Porsche out brakes the ML
I don't see the knock out punch you seem to see.
As I said before, both vehicles are the best performing SUV's on the planet. Neither is vastly superior to the other. And a more powerful and facelifted Cayenne is just around the corner. The ML63 may have a short reign. I am sure that you and I would be perfectly happy with either vehicle.
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07-21-2006, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by PhilS
I don't see the knock out punch you seem to see.
"Der Mercedes ML 63 AMG geht als Sieger aus diesem Vergleich hervor"
a.k.a.
"The ML63 wins the overall comparison."
Anyway, I'm just teasing you. The choice is a matter of taste and emotion, more so than the track and the cones.
a.k.a.
"The ML63 wins the overall comparison."
07-21-2006, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by sprins
This one works for me:
"Der Mercedes ML 63 AMG geht als Sieger aus diesem Vergleich hervor"
a.k.a.
"The ML63 wins the overall comparison."
Anyway, I'm just teasing you. The choice is a matter of taste and emotion, more so than the track and the cones.a.k.a.
"The ML63 wins the overall comparison."
Also wouldn't disagree with the overall win to the ML63. The $111,000 for the Cayenne Turbo S is enough to give the win to the $85,500 ML63. Porsche has had the top performing SUV since they introduced the Cayenne Turbo in 2003. Now Mercedes tops it with their 2007. What will the 2008 Cayenne that is showing up in February have under the hood?
As far as the weight issue, if Mercedes had choosen to make their ML a true off-roader you know it would have weighed more. For Porsche to have a competent off-roader that also handles like a sport car.......well that is quite an engineering feat.
I have been promised a test drive when the ML63 shows up at my local dealership.
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07-21-2006, 02:55 PM
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according to the manufacturer specifications check out the US porsche wesite www.porsche.com and www.mercedes-amg.com
07-21-2006, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by AMG_Power
according to the manufacturer specifications check out the US porsche wesite www.porsche.com and www.mercedes-amg.com
Using 0-100 km/h for both with Cayenne data from here:
http://www.porsche.com/germany/model...yenne-turbo-s/
Cayenne:5.2 seconds
ML63AMG 5.0 seconds
Cayenne 0
ML63AMG: 1
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07-21-2006, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Dj Euro
So is it fair to say ?
0-100 Km/h: ML wins
0-200 Km/h: ML wins
Comfort: ML wins
Track (with corners) run: ML wins
turbo s wins braking ?
0-100 Km/h: ML wins
0-200 Km/h: ML wins
Comfort: ML wins
Track (with corners) run: ML wins
turbo s wins braking ?
They are both extraordinary SUV's. Nothing else compares to them. The Cayenne is a four year old model and the ML is brand new. The ML should to be better. Wait until the redesigned Cayenne shows up early next year.
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07-21-2006, 04:44 PM
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Okay, another Cayenne point:
It may not matter to all buyers, but if needed..........
Off-road capability
Cayenne 1
ML63 0
Proof: every single article written about both vehicles.
Phil
It may not matter to all buyers, but if needed..........
Off-road capability
Cayenne 1
ML63 0
Proof: every single article written about both vehicles.
Phil
07-21-2006, 04:57 PM
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Another possible point for the Cayenne:
Resale value
For the last two years Kelly Blue Book has predicted that the Porsche Cayenne would have one of the highest resale values in its class.
Don't know about the ML63, but the ML350 and ML500 weren't on this list.
Possible...............
Cayenne 1
ML63 0
Dependability
#1 in the most recent JD Powers survey was the Porsche brand. Near the bottom of the list was the Mercedes brand. And keep in mind I have owned Mercedes and currently own one.
Cayenne 1
ML63 0
Resale value
For the last two years Kelly Blue Book has predicted that the Porsche Cayenne would have one of the highest resale values in its class.
Don't know about the ML63, but the ML350 and ML500 weren't on this list.
Possible...............
Cayenne 1
ML63 0
Dependability
#1 in the most recent JD Powers survey was the Porsche brand. Near the bottom of the list was the Mercedes brand. And keep in mind I have owned Mercedes and currently own one.
Cayenne 1
ML63 0
07-22-2006, 05:25 PM
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The ML63 is not not yet out at least in the US. No test drives, no owners, nothings..so deduct 6 points from the ML and add them to the cayenne you have no adequate justification that its better than the cayenne.
you have no adequate justification that its better than the cayenne.
07-24-2006, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Dj Euro
also
ml63 has 4 whell drive split 40/60 . i think thats a point
ml63 has 4 whell drive split 40/60 . i think thats a point
(1) You can also select either high range or low range with the Cayenne. (2) You can also lock the center differential for maximum traction in the Cayenne. (3) Lastly you adjust the height of the Cayenne all the way up to a maximum ground clearance of 10.75 inches (which is 2.21 inches above the normal level.
Porsche 3
ML63 0
