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evosport V8 headers/exhaust manifold .... FIRST PICS
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Re: Theory behind the evosport headers.
Originally posted by vadim@evosport
According to federal law, factory catalytic converters can not be replaced for 100,000 miles. If there are any problems, OEM is obligated to cover replacement. So, legally we can not touch them.
In Europe it is differrent, this is why MKB makes a full lenght header.
According to federal law, factory catalytic converters can not be replaced for 100,000 miles. If there are any problems, OEM is obligated to cover replacement. So, legally we can not touch them.
In Europe it is differrent, this is why MKB makes a full lenght header.
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I hate to always be the one...
Does Evosport have anything up it's sleeve regarding intake or exhaust for the M111 C230 Sport Coupe?
If not, who does?
What would be the key enhancements required for upgrading the intake to the kompressor?
If not, who does?
What would be the key enhancements required for upgrading the intake to the kompressor?
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Another expert. If you had presence on the board (first post on 3.6.3), used normal language (f*****g), or even bothered to read all of the posts under this topic - then you may have deserved a response.
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@ brabus benz
Instead of using strong language why dont you come up with some strong numbers ! Give us a detailed report of YOUR findings and present them for the public. I am sure many potential customers are looking at this board !
Make some strong arguments for your case and give Evosport a hard time.
But if you are gonna be shouting and screaming thin air then don't even bother replying.
Instead of using strong language why dont you come up with some strong numbers ! Give us a detailed report of YOUR findings and present them for the public. I am sure many potential customers are looking at this board !
Make some strong arguments for your case and give Evosport a hard time.
But if you are gonna be shouting and screaming thin air then don't even bother replying.
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Originally posted by vadim@evosport
Another expert. If you had presence on the board (first post on 3.6.3), used normal language (f*****g), or even bothered to read all of the posts under this topic - then you may have deserved a response.
Another expert. If you had presence on the board (first post on 3.6.3), used normal language (f*****g), or even bothered to read all of the posts under this topic - then you may have deserved a response.
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Originally posted by bverotti
@ brabus benz
Instead of using strong language why dont you come up with some strong numbers ! Give us a detailed report of YOUR findings and present them for the public. I am sure many potential customers are looking at this board !
Make some strong arguments for your case and give Evosport a hard time.
But if you are gonna be shouting and screaming thin air then don't even bother replying.
@ brabus benz
Instead of using strong language why dont you come up with some strong numbers ! Give us a detailed report of YOUR findings and present them for the public. I am sure many potential customers are looking at this board !
Make some strong arguments for your case and give Evosport a hard time.
But if you are gonna be shouting and screaming thin air then don't even bother replying.
maybe they don't have the underhood space to get the proper pressure wave tuning, which would necessitate something around 30" primaries, but they still could have designed it for freer flow. the fact remains that these is the most poorly designed aftermarket headers i have ever seen. i understand that they have to work around certain emmissions requirements, but if this is really the best they can come up w/ then they should of never bothered to make them. stock is just as good.
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M111 Coupe intake/exhaust...
Originally posted by otoupalik
Nope, we don't - sorry!
Nope, we don't - sorry!
don't be sorry... just make us something! I know there are supersprint headers and kleemann headers. Evosport sells the supersprints correct? Should I ask about observed gains here or start a new thread?
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Originally posted by brabus benz
this is a product that's being sold so that people can just say that they have aftermarket headers... <snip>
this is a product that's being sold so that people can just say that they have aftermarket headers... <snip>
There were many re-enforcing comments made throughout this entire thread questioning the headers, and supporting the headers. Why don't you quote a specific comment/ question/ response and intelligently present your follow-up or original question, in a clear, concise, professional manner?
No one doubts the potential of you providing insight, your methods just leave something to be desired.
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Now, this is a lot better. Using foul words only makes you look immature. Now if you want to share your technical background that would make your post look even better. Things like you having access to flowbenches, dynos, fabrication facilities. Things like you having made and designed headers, installed them on different cars.
Now back to design. I do not think you read the posts. There is no room to do anything else, if one wants to get headers CARB approved. As far as not making power, so far we are getting 14HP on a Kleemann S/C Car and 9HP on a normally aspirated CLK430. Factory manifolds are that bad.
The reason I have not posted dyno graphs, is that production pieces will have CNC machined flanges that should make even more power. Once I get them tested, I will post dyno graphs.
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Now back to design. I do not think you read the posts. There is no room to do anything else, if one wants to get headers CARB approved. As far as not making power, so far we are getting 14HP on a Kleemann S/C Car and 9HP on a normally aspirated CLK430. Factory manifolds are that bad.
The reason I have not posted dyno graphs, is that production pieces will have CNC machined flanges that should make even more power. Once I get them tested, I will post dyno graphs.
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Re: M111 Coupe intake/exhaust...
Originally posted by nukblazi
don't be sorry... just make us something!
I know there are supersprint headers and kleemann headers. Evosport sells the supersprints correct? Should I ask about observed gains here or start a new thread?
don't be sorry... just make us something! I know there are supersprint headers and kleemann headers. Evosport sells the supersprints correct? Should I ask about observed gains here or start a new thread?
I have not installed the headers on the C230 K Coupe yet, I am waiting to complete the SC conversion fisrt so I dont sckew any results.
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Re: Re: M111 Coupe intake/exhaust...
Originally posted by KLEEMANN
I dont want any confusion here so let me clarify: the M111 headers I posted pictures of earlier in the month were SuperSprint headers- not KLEEMANN headers. We have no plans to make any such product. The price point of the SS units is very good- we could never match it.
I have not installed the headers on the C230 K Coupe yet, I am waiting to complete the SC conversion fisrt so I dont sckew any results.
I dont want any confusion here so let me clarify: the M111 headers I posted pictures of earlier in the month were SuperSprint headers- not KLEEMANN headers. We have no plans to make any such product. The price point of the SS units is very good- we could never match it.
I have not installed the headers on the C230 K Coupe yet, I am waiting to complete the SC conversion fisrt so I dont sckew any results.
I don't want to get off topic and I forget if I asked you already or not, are you doing anything with the intake?
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Originally posted by vadim@evosport
Now back to design. I do not think you read the posts. There is no room to do anything else, if one wants to get headers CARB approved. As far as not making power, so far we are getting 14HP on a Kleemann S/C Car and 9HP on a normally aspirated CLK430. Factory manifolds are that bad.
Now back to design. I do not think you read the posts. There is no room to do anything else, if one wants to get headers CARB approved. As far as not making power, so far we are getting 14HP on a Kleemann S/C Car and 9HP on a normally aspirated CLK430. Factory manifolds are that bad.
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ME 2,8 1 - 2 years back on NASP engines have torque limitations, it's calculating the torque over the air mass sensor.
Useing supercharger will 100% sure hit the torque limits, so reprogramming the ECU will benefit these cars, first tests show
approx. + 30 HP on a W 209 CLK 500.
Useing supercharger will 100% sure hit the torque limits, so reprogramming the ECU will benefit these cars, first tests show
approx. + 30 HP on a W 209 CLK 500.
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Originally posted by Lucas
ME 2,8 1 - 2 years back on NASP engines have torque limitations, it's calculating the torque over the air mass sensor.
Useing supercharger will 100% sure hit the torque limits, so reprogramming the ECU will benefit these cars, first tests show
approx. + 30 HP on a W 209 CLK 500.
ME 2,8 1 - 2 years back on NASP engines have torque limitations, it's calculating the torque over the air mass sensor.
Useing supercharger will 100% sure hit the torque limits, so reprogramming the ECU will benefit these cars, first tests show
approx. + 30 HP on a W 209 CLK 500.
Are u telling the 30+ hp gain if I reprogram my ecu ?
How ?
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Lucas
Do all new V8K suffer this issue after a few run-in, then the claimed torque has been limited all the time till now ?
What happen if reprogram the ecu as you said
(1) Back to the Kleemann claims 506 hp/675 nm ?
(2) Extra gain -> 530 hp ?
Do all new V8K suffer this issue after a few run-in, then the claimed torque has been limited all the time till now ?
What happen if reprogram the ecu as you said
(1) Back to the Kleemann claims 506 hp/675 nm ?
(2) Extra gain -> 530 hp ?
Last edited by Shine; Apr 17, 2003 at 06:57 AM.
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All V8 and V6 as well, all cars with ME 2,8 or ME 2,8.1 is under survaliance at the moment.
1: What do you mean by back to claimed power ????
You beeing on Taiwan, is at least 50 HP less that Western Europe, due to ECU settings, fuel quality and hot clima most of the year, but all cars suffer from that, not only yours.
2: There will be an increase, first tests show a significant extra power and torque, so if you are just as fast as the SL 55 you have wrote of before, you will eat it alive after KLEEMANN ECU programming.
All V8 and V6 as well, all cars with ME 2,8 or ME 2,8.1 is under survaliance at the moment.
1: What do you mean by back to claimed power ????
You beeing on Taiwan, is at least 50 HP less that Western Europe, due to ECU settings, fuel quality and hot clima most of the year, but all cars suffer from that, not only yours.
2: There will be an increase, first tests show a significant extra power and torque, so if you are just as fast as the SL 55 you have wrote of before, you will eat it alive after KLEEMANN ECU programming.
