Here's some pics of HPS shop.
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Here's some pics of HPS shop.
Maybe we can talk them into making a s/c kit for the C-Coupe! If we get 6 people interested they'll make it.
http://www.bnzsport.com/forums/showt...&threadid=2008
http://www.bnzsport.com/forums/showt...&threadid=2008
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why would you want to replace an Eaton with an Eaton, spend close to $10,000, and hand your money over to people with the immature attitude that has been displayed numerous times on this forum?
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I am not sure you are talking apples to apples here.. while thats true that both systems utilize Eaton type supercharged system it would be the same as comapring an SLK230 Kompressor with an SLK32 Kompressor, both are S/C and with the same basic design.. but wow..different result right?
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The AMG C32/SLK32 engines do not use an eaton supercharger. The differences in design between an eaton and a twin-screw are great, which is why AMG is now following Kleemann in using twin-screw superchargers. It is a much more efficient SC.
The 32's also have a much larger displacement than the 230k's, which combined with a better SC, lead to much more power. I have to agree with Petie. I don't see the point in swaping an eaton for an eaton.
The 32's also have a much larger displacement than the 230k's, which combined with a better SC, lead to much more power. I have to agree with Petie. I don't see the point in swaping an eaton for an eaton.
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Originally posted by slk320
I am not sure you are talking apples to apples here.. while thats true that both systems utilize Eaton type supercharged system it would be the same as comapring an SLK230 Kompressor with an SLK32 Kompressor, both are S/C and with the same basic design.. but wow..different result right?
I am not sure you are talking apples to apples here.. while thats true that both systems utilize Eaton type supercharged system it would be the same as comapring an SLK230 Kompressor with an SLK32 Kompressor, both are S/C and with the same basic design.. but wow..different result right?
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Originally posted by Petie
why would you want to replace an Eaton with an Eaton, spend close to $10,000, and hand your money over to people with the immature attitude that has been displayed numerous times on this forum?
why would you want to replace an Eaton with an Eaton, spend close to $10,000, and hand your money over to people with the immature attitude that has been displayed numerous times on this forum?
This thread crossed the line. KLEEMANN isn't a consultant but HPS sure needs to hire someone for PR.
https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...0&pagenumber=1
KLEEMANN my M111 please!
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With all respect for HPS, reading that article on BNZsport give me the impression that the only car ever done is the E 430.
That E 430 is the only car I ever heard mentioned, in a press release almost 2 years ago it was that car and fresh stories it's still the same E 430.
The article mentions the kit is made for 430, if there is an interest
for the 500 as well. If you call them they can do a M 104 staright six and a V6 112 if there is interest.
Is there a finished product or will they build if 6 customers gather
and then there will be 6 customers up for proto typing.
That E 430 is the only car I ever heard mentioned, in a press release almost 2 years ago it was that car and fresh stories it's still the same E 430.
The article mentions the kit is made for 430, if there is an interest
for the 500 as well. If you call them they can do a M 104 staright six and a V6 112 if there is interest.
Is there a finished product or will they build if 6 customers gather
and then there will be 6 customers up for proto typing.
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Originally posted by Mach430
The AMG C32/SLK32 engines do not use an eaton supercharger. The differences in design between an eaton and a twin-screw are great, which is why AMG is now following Kleemann in using twin-screw superchargers. It is a much more efficient SC.
The 32's also have a much larger displacement than the 230k's, which combined with a better SC, lead to much more power. I have to agree with Petie. I don't see the point in swaping an eaton for an eaton.
The AMG C32/SLK32 engines do not use an eaton supercharger. The differences in design between an eaton and a twin-screw are great, which is why AMG is now following Kleemann in using twin-screw superchargers. It is a much more efficient SC.
The 32's also have a much larger displacement than the 230k's, which combined with a better SC, lead to much more power. I have to agree with Petie. I don't see the point in swaping an eaton for an eaton.
the SLK32 puts out 109.10 HP per Liter also the SC unit on the AMG is more efficent at higher RPMs.
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Adam-
I just heard from Lucas- Hes buying a plane ticket from Copenhagen to Miami just to show up and bug you.
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AMG engine uses nearly double the boost of the M111 4 cylinder. You cannot make blanket statements about SC efficiency based on specific HP output. You are however correct in saying that a screw type sc is more efficient than a roots. The most common calculation for efficiency is HP required to turn the SC at X boost pressure, mass air flow and temp.
I will post the equation if you are interested.
I just heard from Lucas- Hes buying a plane ticket from Copenhagen to Miami just to show up and bug you.
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AMG engine uses nearly double the boost of the M111 4 cylinder. You cannot make blanket statements about SC efficiency based on specific HP output. You are however correct in saying that a screw type sc is more efficient than a roots. The most common calculation for efficiency is HP required to turn the SC at X boost pressure, mass air flow and temp.
I will post the equation if you are interested.
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Originally posted by Lucas
Is there a finished product or will they build if 6 customers gatherand then there will be 6 customers up for proto typing.
Is there a finished product or will they build if 6 customers gatherand then there will be 6 customers up for proto typing.
I check the forums each day for word on this upgrade, and for personal ammusement.
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This well descriptive informative piece was written by an independent Mercedes Benz publication
BNZsport.
If you take a guy for a drive in a 400 HP car and his daily set of wheels is a 90 HP Ford Escort, I hope you will agree that such a guy will be impressed. That " independant" article sounds like such a guy wrote it.
Get your car tested by Ian Qua from Mercedes-Benz enthusiast from UK, Momota from Japan or Car and Driver, here we are talking about real journalists which are unpayable, they will write
exactly what they feel like.
Adam, I wish you success with your business, but what I ment in my earlier post where, because you are in your fathers aerospace
company with CNC centers lined up and 2 shelves "only" for HPS with compressor parts, doesn't make you a MB performance specialist.
Why show a picture of a few CNC centers, why not show a picture
of all the cars in the bays lined up, whichHPS are working on ????.
It will take 10-20 years to make a good and respected name in this industri if you behave and treat your customers well, it's not
something you will earn over night.
Cool down a little and focus on you own goals.
I will promise to stay home, or should I come and bug you
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Originally posted by Lucas
Adam, to me it sounds like you wrote it your self after sponsering
BNZsport.
If you take a guy for a drive in a 400 HP car and his daily set of wheels is a 90 HP Ford Escort, I hope you will agree that such a guy will be impressed. That " independant" article sounds like such a guy wrote it.
Get your car tested by Ian Qua from Mercedes-Benz enthusiast from UK, Momota from Japan or Car and Driver, here we are talking about real journalists which are unpayable, they will write
exactly what they feel like.
Adam, to me it sounds like you wrote it your self after sponsering
BNZsport.
If you take a guy for a drive in a 400 HP car and his daily set of wheels is a 90 HP Ford Escort, I hope you will agree that such a guy will be impressed. That " independant" article sounds like such a guy wrote it.
Get your car tested by Ian Qua from Mercedes-Benz enthusiast from UK, Momota from Japan or Car and Driver, here we are talking about real journalists which are unpayable, they will write
exactly what they feel like.
Lucas,
As the guy who wrote the article, I can assure you that my daily set of wheels is not a 90HP Ford Escort. And though I might not be a "real" journalist, I was not compensated in any way. I wrote what I felt.
I consider myself "independent" - I have no ties whatsoever to HPS, nor to Kleemann or Mugen or whatever company in the automotive industry - I have no such luck.
I wrote that article exactly how I felt. I would love to be able to visit the Kleemann facilities in CO and do a write-up on them as well if given the chance to, but travel expenses and time do not allow as of now. On a side note, I write articles not because a cetain company is a sponsor of a certain site, but because I had the opportunity to visit and check out the goods. I wrote an article on Brabus last year, and the day that they'll be a sponsor is a day I'm looking forward to.
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Originally posted by Luwin1026
I would love to be able to visit the Kleemann facilities in CO and do a write-up on them as well if given the chance to, but travel expenses and time do not allow as of now.
I would love to be able to visit the Kleemann facilities in CO and do a write-up on them as well if given the chance to, but travel expenses and time do not allow as of now.
Originally posted by Luwin1026
I consider myself "independent" - I have no ties whatsoever to HPS, nor to Kleemann
I consider myself "independent" - I have no ties whatsoever to HPS, nor to Kleemann
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We have made several "over the top" SL's. The latest of which was a full paint switch to a screaming yellow exterior with a full leather interior and silver carbon fiber interior. Big brakes, lowering suspension, our TS-6 wheels, aero kit (front and rear spoiler), Vmax delimiter, full exhaust system, ECU programming, steering wheel, floor mats, SC system, and airbox. Perhaps you have seen the "gullwing" SL we exhibited in Tokyo in another thread?
You can easily spend an additional $100K making a full catalog gullwing SL, by the same tokenn you could spend as little as $20K for just the engine tuning.
The Yellow beast was $80K on top of the base price for the SL. This car was recently featured in "VMAX", a Danish tuner magazine. I will post pictures from that magazine tomorrow- Im home now and dont have the pics on hand.
This is where you will find the difference between a SC manufacturer and a tuner of MBZ- full product range for all cars.
Im sure I will be accused of continuing the "mud slinging" many have accused me of- but I tire of this comparision- we are not the same, not even close.
We have made several "over the top" SL's. The latest of which was a full paint switch to a screaming yellow exterior with a full leather interior and silver carbon fiber interior. Big brakes, lowering suspension, our TS-6 wheels, aero kit (front and rear spoiler), Vmax delimiter, full exhaust system, ECU programming, steering wheel, floor mats, SC system, and airbox. Perhaps you have seen the "gullwing" SL we exhibited in Tokyo in another thread?
You can easily spend an additional $100K making a full catalog gullwing SL, by the same tokenn you could spend as little as $20K for just the engine tuning.
The Yellow beast was $80K on top of the base price for the SL. This car was recently featured in "VMAX", a Danish tuner magazine. I will post pictures from that magazine tomorrow- Im home now and dont have the pics on hand.
This is where you will find the difference between a SC manufacturer and a tuner of MBZ- full product range for all cars.
Im sure I will be accused of continuing the "mud slinging" many have accused me of- but I tire of this comparision- we are not the same, not even close.
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Originally posted by KLEEMANN
vraa-
You can easily spend an additional $100K making a full catalog gullwing SL, by the same tokenn you could spend as little as $20K for just the engine tuning.
vraa-
You can easily spend an additional $100K making a full catalog gullwing SL, by the same tokenn you could spend as little as $20K for just the engine tuning.
I was thinking somewhere around 50K lol!
Man those doors look nice! I hope these are the ones you're talking about.
Those are 20k right?
Also for the engine tuning, what specs does it come out to be? I heard someone say "500hp of tire shredding power"
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Originally posted by Lucas
Adam, to me it sounds like you wrote it your self after sponsering
BNZsport.
If you take a guy for a drive in a 400 HP car and his daily set of wheels is a 90 HP Ford Escort, I hope you will agree that such a guy will be impressed. That " independant" article sounds like such a guy wrote it.
Adam, to me it sounds like you wrote it your self after sponsering
BNZsport.
If you take a guy for a drive in a 400 HP car and his daily set of wheels is a 90 HP Ford Escort, I hope you will agree that such a guy will be impressed. That " independant" article sounds like such a guy wrote it.
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Originally posted by BrabusCClass
If you dont know anything about Luwin then I suggest you dont make up things about him. He DOES NOT HAVE A 90HP FORD ESCORT. Why dont you pick up November 2002 issue of Eurotuner Magazine and under "KLEEMANN C230K" you can read about HIM AND HIS CAR.
If you dont know anything about Luwin then I suggest you dont make up things about him. He DOES NOT HAVE A 90HP FORD ESCORT. Why dont you pick up November 2002 issue of Eurotuner Magazine and under "KLEEMANN C230K" you can read about HIM AND HIS CAR.
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OK- Everybody needs to relax.
Lucas has no idea who wrote that story because there was no author credit given- if there was he missied it. Hes not insulting anyone- he doesnt know the true identity of every poster on the this board based on their "handle", or visa versa. Lucas needs to apologize for nothing.
The point of his 90 HP Ford analogy was simply that a guy used to a low HP car would be impressed as hell with a car making 250HP much less 400HP, in Lucas's opinion, thats how HE read the article.
The beautiful thing about WRITING anything on the web is that its subject to YOUR own ideas, the reader will seldom have the same impression as if you SPOKE it to them.
Lucas has no idea who wrote that story because there was no author credit given- if there was he missied it. Hes not insulting anyone- he doesnt know the true identity of every poster on the this board based on their "handle", or visa versa. Lucas needs to apologize for nothing.
The point of his 90 HP Ford analogy was simply that a guy used to a low HP car would be impressed as hell with a car making 250HP much less 400HP, in Lucas's opinion, thats how HE read the article.
The beautiful thing about WRITING anything on the web is that its subject to YOUR own ideas, the reader will seldom have the same impression as if you SPOKE it to them.
